WHY THE FUCK ARE WE DISCUSSING POWERLIFTING IN A BODYBUILDING FORUM?!
[quote]admbaum wrote:
The guy may not be as big as some, but the weight of that lift should speak for itself.
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Actually, NO. I am looking at his shoulders and they do not seem impressively developed. Can you guess why I mentioned DEVELOPMENT?
Can you?
I mean, really, can you?
[quote]admbaum wrote:
umm…a lot of people, including me, do standing military presses from a rack. If you dont have one, build one out of 2x4’s like a saw horse or just clean it to your chest since thats the only other option.
some food for thought:
The guy may not be as big as some, but the weight of that lift should speak for itself.
OP, breathe…I used to get light headed after doing a bunch of heavy compound lifts like deads and squats until I learned how to breathe right. I never got light headed after military presses though.
for inspiration:
Marius Pudzianowski Overhead Presses - YouTube [/quote]
Great post. Marius is the man. Anyone who doubts that doing OH presses are worthwhile needs to pay attention to him among others.
[quote]bonerjams98 wrote:
Maybe he goes to a gym that doesnt have a place to do seated barbell military press? All my gym has is a squat rack so I have to do them standing. [/quote]
So uh, why don’t you just stick an adjustable bench in the squat rack?
I understand not wanting to clean the weight- but if you can lift the weight off at standing height from a power rack or whatever, what’s the difference?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
The guy may not be as big as some, but the weight of that lift should speak for itself.
[/quote]
Actually, NO. I am looking at his shoulders and they do not seem impressively developed. Can you guess why I mentioned DEVELOPMENT?
Can you?
I mean, really, can you?[/quote]
His shoulder development is not that of an advanced bodybuilder but as Prox X likes to say who the fuck cares?!?! The man put up 405 standing! I guess it comes down to what you value. Bodybuilding is about size, symmetry, etc. but you can’t tell me this guy could not develop some good delts if he changed some of his methods. The strength he built up with such lifts would have to have some sort of carryover to more “taditional” body building methods.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I understand not wanting to clean the weight- but if you can lift the weight off at standing height from a power rack or whatever, what’s the difference?
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For one, less chance of injury. Second, I think the heart of it is not feeling the need to perform “a feat of strength”. Concentrating on keeping tight, a solid back, etc detracts from concentrating on the muscle you are targeting.
Sitting allows for better concentration on the shoulders without worrying about your back. Coupled with the fact you can actually lift more sitting, you get a better training effect and therefore, better development, as X has been trying to spell out.
[quote]jimg21 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
The guy may not be as big as some, but the weight of that lift should speak for itself.
[/quote]
Actually, NO. I am looking at his shoulders and they do not seem impressively developed. Can you guess why I mentioned DEVELOPMENT?
Can you?
I mean, really, can you?[/quote]
His shoulder development is not that of an advanced bodybuilder but as Prox X likes to say who the fuck cares?!?! The man put up 405 standing! I guess it comes down to what you value. Bodybuilding is about size, symmetry, etc. but you can’t tell me this guy could not develop some good delts if he changed some of his methods. The strength he built up with such lifts would have to have some sort of carryover to more “traditional” body building methods.
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Yes, it would have some carryover, if he, ya know, sat down and focused on his shoulders.
[quote]jimg21 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
The guy may not be as big as some, but the weight of that lift should speak for itself.
[/quote]
Actually, NO. I am looking at his shoulders and they do not seem impressively developed. Can you guess why I mentioned DEVELOPMENT?
Can you?
I mean, really, can you?[/quote]
His shoulder development is not that of an advanced bodybuilder but as Prox X likes to say who the fuck cares?!?! The man put up 405 standing! I guess it comes down to what you value. Bodybuilding is about size, symmetry, etc. but you can’t tell me this guy could not develop some good delts if he changed some of his methods. The strength he built up with such lifts would have to have some sort of carryover to more “taditional” body building methods.
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Who cares how much weight is on the bar if the guy doesn’t have good delts? What is so hard to understand? Are you lost, this IS the bodybuilding forum.
Seated pressing will ALWAYS allow the person to lift more weight while putting most of the focus on the delts. Standing pressing is fine to mix it up but the best leverage can be had sitting down, that automatically makes it easier to progress on.
If you make another post claiming that 405 standing press is cooler than an actual bodybuilder pressing a weight that allows his delts to grow I’ll just assume you’re having a good time trolling.
Figure it out for yourself. Try them both ways and see which your body responds to best. Things work better for different people. I do both standing and seated presses at different times.
I guess someone should tell Brandon Curry that his standing presses are holding him back. lol
anybody else getting a feeling of deja vu?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Stop doing them standing.
case solved.[/quote]
or he cud be holding his breath through the set which can make you light headed, he might end up like that guy in the deadlift video were he fell into the dumbell rack.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Stop doing them standing.
case solved.[/quote]
or he cud be holding his breath through the set which can make you light headed, he might end up like that guy in the deadlift video were he fell into the dumbell rack.[/quote]
LOL.
Yes, learning to breath while lifting is necessary…but I sure as hell hope most in this forum have at least learned to do that.
Otherwise, what else is the beginner’s forum for?
However, just in case…if you plan to get really big and really strong, learning to inhale and exhale DURING the set instead if holding your breath just might even save your life later on.
[quote]cliwel wrote:
When performing heavy standing overhead barbell presses I always become very lightheaded after the second rep. Does anyone have suggestions on how to keep this from happening?[/quote]
Have you tried breathing? Do not hold your breath…or drop the weight some until you dont pass out.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Goodness…there is a reason most of the big guys you see sit the fuck down when they do overhead presses.
Let me guess…it is more “functional” to stand up and do them.
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Most of the big guys I’ve seen have done them behind the neck out of a squat rack…
And while we’re observing others, most of the people I have seen in various gyms doing them seated have had the pseudo-bodybuilder appearance. Large chest, large arms, undeveloped all elsewhere.
Personally I wouldn’t base my routine solely on what I observe the gym rats doing, just interesting since you brought that up.
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I understand not wanting to clean the weight- but if you can lift the weight off at standing height from a power rack or whatever, what’s the difference?
[/quote]
For one, less chance of injury. Second, I think the heart of it is not feeling the need to perform “a feat of strength”. Concentrating on keeping tight, a solid back, etc detracts from concentrating on the muscle you are targeting.
Sitting allows for better concentration on the shoulders without worrying about your back. Coupled with the fact you can actually lift more sitting, you get a better training effect and therefore, better development, as X has been trying to spell out.[/quote]
That injury risk issue seems to be one they ignore. I guess that explains why so many of these guys have severe shoulder issues long before they ever actually get big.
How many times on this site have we heard of some relative beginner who now needs shoulder surgery?
This may be a hard concept to follow, but maybe, just maybe, the guys who went from skinny to really fucking big without any severe injury…just might fucking be onto something.
Maybe.
I’m not going to clean a weight from the ground to press overhead (especially one near my upper limits of strength) because it adds yet another risk factor to an already risky movement. Try doing that for a decade working up to over 3 plates a side and let’s see how many have avoided shoulder issues.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WHY THE FUCK ARE WE DISCUSSING POWERLIFTING IN A BODYBUILDING FORUM?![/quote]
That ain’t powerlifting. Unless OH Presses is now one of the big 3.
Probably should, though.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
The guy may not be as big as some, but the weight of that lift should speak for itself.
[/quote]
Actually, NO. I am looking at his shoulders and they do not seem impressively developed. Can you guess why I mentioned DEVELOPMENT?
Can you?
I mean, really, can you?[/quote]
Of course he understands, it all about the size of the muscle. Strength isn’t that important. Still, he’s right - the weight of the lift should speak for itself.
[quote]Deorum wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Goodness…there is a reason most of the big guys you see sit the fuck down when they do overhead presses.
Let me guess…it is more “functional” to stand up and do them.
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Most of the big guys I’ve seen have done them behind the neck out of a squat rack…
And while we’re observing others, most of the people I have seen in various gyms doing them seated have had the pseudo-bodybuilder appearance. Large chest, large arms, undeveloped all elsewhere.
Personally I wouldn’t base my routine solely on what I observe the gym rats doing, just interesting since you brought that up.[/quote]
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Someone with “large arms, large chest and undeveloped all elsewhere” is a bodybuilder to you?
That sentence really made sense when you wrote it?
You haven;t seen someone serious about this if that is what you’ve observed. In fact, I now doubt how big any of the people you’ve observed are.
Why do some of you group weekend warriors who don’t train back and legs in with BODYBUILDING?
Mind explaining this?
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
That ain’t powerlifting. Unless OH Presses is now one of the big 3.
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Uh, yes it is…he’s doing it as part of PL training, and he is a PLer. That’s like saying lifting weights to get bigger isn’t bodybuilding, since when you lift you’re not on a stage getting judged.