[quote]amayakyrol wrote:
It isn’t necessary at all for powerlifting, but if you can’t do it comfortably you have a serious musculature problem. [/quote]
Completely untrue. All people will experience shoulder impingement from too much overhead work, but the biggest variable is anatomy. A particularly prominent or beaked acromion makes doing anything overhead consistently a risky endeavor, let alone pressing overhead under load.[/quote]
My doc took an x ray today. He said that he thinks it is just some bursitis.
I have to agree with the type 2 and 3 acromion stuff that Trip threw out there. Maybe I will get the radiographs and try to stage my shoulders haha.
The ohp is not required for pl. it is an assitance movement, not a competition lift. if your assistance movement fucks you up, you move on, and find something to replace it. I have bench 525 @ 242 raw, and have benched in the upper 700s in a shirt, was on my way to 8 before my last bout of injuries, that I will come back from, and I am fucking old.
I see way to many people making a major lift our of the OHP these days. Blame Wendler. Yeah, it is cool to overhead press your bodyweight x times, but if it doesn’t translate to success on the platform why do it? bodybuilder and plers have built good strong shoulders w laterals, front raises, up rows, db overheads, etc. Now if you can’t bench press, that is a different issue that I am dealing with lol.
[quote]PeteS wrote:
The ohp is not required for pl. it is an assitance movement, not a competition lift. if your assistance movement fucks you up, you move on, and find something to replace it. I have bench 525 @ 242 raw, and have benched in the upper 700s in a shirt, was on my way to 8 before my last bout of injuries, that I will come back from, and I am fucking old.
I see way to many people making a major lift our of the OHP these days. Blame Wendler. Yeah, it is cool to overhead press your bodyweight x times, but if it doesn’t translate to success on the platform why do it? bodybuilder and plers have built good strong shoulders w laterals, front raises, up rows, db overheads, etc. Now if you can’t bench press, that is a different issue that I am dealing with lol. [/quote]
I am going to drop OHP for a bit.
I don’t like the thought of getting overuse injury, or worse, doing a noncompetition lift.
I think OHP is great, but I think maybe I have prioritized it improperly.
I don’t do heavy OHP. But I’ve found doing light strict OHP for volume or reps actually improves my shoulder health and helps me on the bottom of the BP.
I started OHP for shoulder health and to improve my bench. It did both, but I liked it so much I started training strongman style. There’s just something about pushing weight overhead that makes me happy. It makes benching seem dull.
[quote]TheKraken wrote:
I started OHP for shoulder health and to improve my bench. It did both, but I liked it so much I started training strongman style. There’s just something about pushing weight overhead that makes me happy. It makes benching seem dull. [/quote]
I think that overhead pressing would help the bench if youre lagging in overhead pressing strength. Plus adding size to your shoulders will increase the stability of your shoulders which would lead to less energy leaking during bench within the shoulder joint. That will in turn help the bench.
What I have done is use a really light barbell (65-80lbs)and do slow overhead presses focusing on elevating the shoulder blades (scapular elevation) AS I press the bar overhead. Not focusing on how much weight but pressing slowly overhead into an overhead shrug in one fluid movement. If you think about it, when you pack your shoulders on the bench (shoulder blades down and back) you should do some work in the opposite directions-elevation and protraction.
For protraction I’ll lay on the bench holding a light dumbbell in one arm at a time (15-20lbs), elbow locked out and pointed towards my feet. I’ll punch the arm up towards the ceiling and hold for a second and repeat. These 2 movements have made my shoulders feel tons better.
Also, switching away from the barbell and doing almost exclusively dumbbell work helps too. When I would do the dumbbell routine, I’ll throw in close grip bench so I still stay familiar with the barbell. Just sharing what has worked for me.