Overhead Press: Bad or Good?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Seriously. Ive found that I progress faster if I limit the amount of pressing I do. So I focus the pressing on something that focuses more on the pecs instead of the delts.

There is no way to do any sort of pressing movement without using both the anterior delts and the pecs.

And to be perfectly honest, I dont actually care how much I can lift. [/quote]

That’s exactly what I do. My avatar’s about 2 years old now (need a new one lol), but since then I’ve work much on upper chest and delts and have personally found that it’s either one or the other (good incline pressing or over-head pressing)…delts get good stimulation from chest pressing, so I picked upper chest to prioritise.

On a seperate note, audiogarden, finished fapping yet…erm I mean googling mulher melancia? :slight_smile:

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I realize this question relates to individaul biomechanics and goals, but what is everyones ROM on the military press? I tend to lockout at the top (or just short of lockout) and go down to just in front of my nose, as it feels like I keep the tension more on my shoulders with this ROM. If I go down to my clavicles more tension feels like it is placed on my pecs. Any good reasons to go with a larger ROM?

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[quote]kman3b18 wrote:
I realize this question relates to individaul biomechanics and goals, but what is everyones ROM on the military press? I tend to lockout at the top (or just short of lockout) and go down to just in front of my nose, as it feels like I keep the tension more on my shoulders with this ROM. If I go down to my clavicles more tension feels like it is placed on my pecs. Any good reasons to go with a larger ROM? [/quote]

All individual, brotha.

I HAVE to go down to the upper chest / full lockout if I want to not destroy my joints and all-around shoulder health.

I also use to train with a guy who would visibly be in agony if he lowered the bar any further than chin-level.

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Individuals vary greatly in the degree of ROM they have at the shoulder. Behind-the-neck overhead presses would annihilate my shoulders. There is no way in hell I could do them. For others, it’s nothing.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
As I have gotten older and have slowly stopped doing the exercises that HURT, presses from the clavicles to arms length over the back of my head are still in my routine.[/quote]

^^^THIS I had to stop benching years ago, but I can still OHP.[/quote]

interesting…

through a full range of motion still?[/quote]

yes. I do more push presses, but I can still do full rom strict ohp without pain.
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You have mentioned you have had your fair share of injuries and put up some serious numbers, that is why I ask. I wonder if this is a common theme with you guys that have been doing this for decades, or if the situation is reversed for some. Maybe 50/50… Curious.

It’s nice to know my worst lift (any sort of pressing) will haunt me forever, whether it be bench or OHP… ;)[/quote]

well beans, I never had a very good bench press, when was young, on a fair amount of chemical assistance, and over 250lbs, I my best bench was high 300’s.

I could incline bench as much as flat bench then, and jerk from a rack almost 400lbs, so i do not think I ever had the attachments to bench big.

As further evidence, I suffered my first pec tear at 19 years old, took an entire year for me to get back to where i was.

I have injured myself much much more doing flat pressing than incline or overhead pressing in my life.

IMHO, and it is just that, an OPINION, so if anybody does not agree, dont get bent about it:

the BEST pressing exercise for overall upper body mass and strength and performance, AND least destructive on your joints in the long run as far as training longevity, is the push-press.

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It is interesting. I wonder how many guys are the opposite and can flat but not over head press anymore.

Have you had as many shoulder issues as chect injuries?[/quote]

MORE. I have degenerative joint disease in both shoulders.

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[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Seriously. Ive found that I progress faster if I limit the amount of pressing I do. So I focus the pressing on something that focuses more on the pecs instead of the delts.

There is no way to do any sort of pressing movement without using both the anterior delts and the pecs.

And to be perfectly honest, I dont actually care how much I can lift. [/quote]

That’s exactly what I do. My avatar’s about 2 years old now (need a new one lol), but since then I’ve work much on upper chest and delts and have personally found that it’s either one or the other (good incline pressing or over-head pressing)…delts get good stimulation from chest pressing, so I picked upper chest to prioritise.

On a seperate note, audiogarden, finished fapping yet…erm I mean googling mulher melancia? :)[/quote]

Hold on a sec…aaannnndd done.

Yes, while i greatly enjoyed being able to look her up, to my extreme disappointment she is in fact, not a pornstar.

Where the fuck do women built like that get off NOT doing porn? Its a great disservice to mankind.

At least there’s the playboy shoot.

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Anyone else do BTN push press?

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[quote]Deadsion wrote:
Anyone else do BTN push press?[/quote]

yes, with a snatch grip. it feels great. no joint pain. but wrists can hurt, so maybe wrist straps could be great because of the wide grip.
i am still a novice and btn push press only 80kg (1.5 plate per side) for a single so i haven’t developed impressive shoulders or injuries yet.

if you are able to do btn push press comfortably it can become a great performance exercise (1-3 power reps). you can develop a great powerful leg drive with the bar on your neck. btn pp is one of my favourites in the gym.

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[quote]Tomasz Sosnowski wrote:

[quote]Deadsion wrote:
Anyone else do BTN push press?[/quote]

yes, with a snatch grip. it feels great. no joint pain. but wrists can hurt, so maybe wrist straps could be great because of the wide grip.
i am still a novice and btn push press only 80kg (1.5 plate per side) for a single so i haven’t developed impressive shoulders or injuries yet.

if you are able to do btn push press comfortably it can become a great performance exercise (1-3 power reps). you can develop a great powerful leg drive with the bar on your neck. btn pp is one of my favourites in the gym.
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I’ve been doing them for a couple years now, and my shoulders feel way better after them. But if I don’t do it without leg drive, it completely wrecks my shoulders. I was just curious how other people have benefitted from using them.