[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Damn, I thought this was a petition to outlaw country music. My bad.[/quote]
Makes two of us. My apologies as well.
[quote]kayoneill wrote:
I’ll add a few:
James “Slim” Hand. Not well known out of Austin, much akin to Hank Sr.
Big Don Walser. Now retired. You might heard him in the CD to The Horse Whisper. Fine ole boy preserving true Texas music.
Ray Wylie Hubbard. At 40 Ray declared the party over, got clean and sober from cocaine and whiskey - with coaching from SRV - learned Travis finger picking - and has become a major singer/songwriter. Amazing repetroire.
Marcia Ball. In a league of her own. Former owner of La Zona Rosa. Big time blues pianist/singer.
Steve Earle, Houston’s bad boy, protoge of Townes van Zandt.
Townes van Zandt, greatest singer/songwriter of the 20th century. So great you don’t know him - but you know his songs through covers. Pancho & Lefty.
James McMurtry. real outlaw singer/songwriter. James McMurtry’s son, the famous writer.
Robert Earl Keen - of Bandera.
Charlie Robison, a real cowboy and hell raiser, married to Emily of the Dixie Chicks. His family been cattle ranching in Bandera since the 1840s.
Bruce Robison, Charlie’s brother, married to Kelly Willis. all singer/songwriters, all damned good.
Rosie Flores - she brings Lefty Frizzell to new life and meaning. and others.
Butch Hancock - if you ain’t heard butch, you ain’t heard much. Absolutely pales Bob Dylan. One of the Flatlanders along with Jimmie Dale Gilmore & Joe Ely.
Gurf Morlix - lives up on Lake Travis, with studio in house. Aside from his own sound, produced Lucinda Williams, produces Ray Wylie Hubbard and many others.
Asleep at the Wheel - Ray Benson & others. Keeping Bob Wills sound alive, often at the Spoke. So is coach Royal.
Alvin Crow - aint no finer fiddler, and former guitarist/singer with Doug Sahm. His treatment of Buddy Holly is exceptional, no doubt due to being also from Lubbock.
No treatment of Texas outlaws is complete without mention of the only musician who the city of Austin put up a big memorial statue of next to Town Lake - Stevie Ray Vaughan.
I humbly apologize for all the one’s I’ve forgotten or missed. Austin is just too rich a place with musicians.
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Don’t forget Wayne “The Train” Hancock- This guys songwriting is amazing…
Just to bring this thread back, many of these artists are on myspace too with a couple free songs each too check out. Hank III page has some kick ass songs on it as do many of the others.
Speaking of Outlaw Country… He shot the dude in the damn face… he is certainly one of my favorites.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070401/NEWS01/70401009
Country singer-songwriter Billy Joe Shaver has been connected to a shooting in a Texas bar Saturday night.
A man was shot in the face about 8:30 p.m. on the covered back porch of Papa Joe’s Texas Saloon in Lorena, a suburb of Waco, said John Moran, Lorena city manager and chief of police. The name and age of the victim, who remains in Hillcrest Baptist Medical Center, have not been released, he said.
Shaver ?has not been charged with anything and hopefully he won’t be charged with anything," said Austin attorney Joseph Turner, who represents the songwriter.
Turner is a well-known and highly successful criminal defense attorney who has represented Willie Nelson, Matthew McConaughey and Branch Davidian Ruth Riddle.
“He is not under arrest and they haven’t issued any warrants for his arrest.”
Shaver is a beloved Texas performer whose songs have been recorded by Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan, Waylon Jennings, Kris Kristofferson, Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis and Marty Stuart. His songs were the basis for Jennings’ landmark 1973 Honky Tonk Heroes album.
His own hits include “Georgia on a Fast Train” in 1973 and “You Asked Me To” in 1978. He was a 2006 inductee into the Texas Music Hall of Fame.
Turner was retained by Shaver, 67, on Saturday and has been in touch with police investigators. “We are cooperating the best we can. They are still conducting the investigation.”
Turner would not comment on speculation that the man who was shot had a knife.
Moran, the Lorena police chief, would not discuss details of the case or confirm that Shaver was involved.
“I am not saying this person is a person of interest at this point because it is a case in progress. The Texas Rangers are assisting in this investigation. I can’t go into details on it right now.”
There were witnesses to the shooting, Moran said. The Waco Tribune-Herald reported that about 25 people were in the bar.
“We’ve been talking to folks,” Moran said. “There are a lot of people to talk to.”
When asked about the shooting Sunday night, the person answering the phone at Papa Joe’s said, “There wasn’t none, thank you,” and hung up.
However, an eyewitness told the Waco newspaper the shooting occurred outside the back door.
“All I heard was a pop,” said the man, who wouldn’t give the newspaper his name. "I thought it was a firecracker. (The victim) came walking back in with his hand on his cheek and had blood all over his face.
?Then I guess the (shooter) ran and got in his car and took off.?
A Lorena police officer told the Waco paper that he had difficulty getting information from customers at the scene. "No one knows a thing,? he told the paper. ?If they do know, they?re not saying anything.?
Shaver’s greatest hits album is scheduled for release on Tuesday, and promotional events have not been canceled. Shaver is set to deliver an in-store performance at Waterloo in Austin on Tuesday, said his manager, Brad Turcotte.
I also want to add a few.
JB Beverley and the Wayward Drfiters - 6 Strings, 3 Chords and the TRUTH sums them up well. And yes for those of you that are wondering JB is the same that has headed up the Murder Junkies.
http://www.myspace.com/jbbeverleyampthewaywarddrifters
.357 String Band
http://www.myspace.com/the357stringband
Doc Watson- His music with Merle (his Son) was amazing to say the least
http://www.myspace.com/docsguitar
John Prine- yeah he isn’t outlaw country but he is an amazing songwriter
Willie Cash- I just like his style
Joey Allcorn-
Joey Allcorn (joeyallcorn) on Myspace
William Elliott Whitmore- Fucking amazing.
http://www.myspace.com/whitmorewilliamelliott
Jimmy Martin- Bluegrass I know, but one of my favorites.
BR549- Just awesome
www.BR549.com
Justin Townes Earle- The apple doesnt fall for from the tree. He could even surpass his Dad.
Jerry Reed- one of the best pickers out there.
http://www.myspace.com/cledussnowman
Faron Young
Lefty Frizzell
Hank Snow
the list can go on and on.
It’s not really outlaw, in fact I’m pretty sure they played at a communist convention, but I’ve picked up a bunch of Commander COdy and His Lost Planet Airmen on itunes and I really dig it. California Okie, Southbound and their cover of Willin’ is really good.
So I was reading thru the thread, and saw too many comments I wanted to reply to, so I’m replying to none except the ones I remember.
Waylon IS the greatest voice country music has ever produced. Poor Shooter, he just can’t fill dem dusty 'ol boots.
Robert Earl keen deserves your ears.
Hank Sr is basically the guy every outlaw country guy wishes he was – especially his progeny and grandson.
Kristofferson is a GENIUS, but I feel he DOES have a songwriting equal in this genre: Townes Van Zandt. Townes wrote Pancho & lefty, If I Needed You, and a ton of great tunes you’ve never heard. Check out the documentary ‘Be Here To Love Me’. It’s very sad, but very moving. Willie, Kristofferson, Steve Earle, and Guy Clark all talk about him in it. He was a best friend to Guy Clark and a hero to Steve Earle.
If you love ‘Outlaw Country’, go buy ‘Heartworn Highways’. It’s PHENOMENAL. It’s like a ‘Behind The Music’ of real ‘country outlaws’, great country musicians making ends meet and doing it their way. Some BRILLIANT musicians and writers, living the songs they were writing about. Guy Clark, Townes Van Zandt, David Allan Coe, Steve Earle (he’s like 17 in it!), Rodney Crowell, Steve Young, Charlie Daniels… Seriously, it’s GREAT stuff.
Check YouTube for ‘Heartworn Highways’, there’s a clip of Townes playing the first song he ever wrote, and he brings his old friend to tears…
I have lost interest in country since it got so pretty. Country ain’t pretty. There are some pretty boys who are exceptional entertainers out there, like Tim McGraw and Kenny Chesney and so on.
It ain’t for me. Country to me is about drinking to much, fighting too much, in general being a fuck up, and making no apologies about it.
And if you can listen to Chris LeDoux live,“Hooked on an 8 Second Ride” and not be ready to smash someone, then you ain’t country either.
Chris LeDoux is (was) the shit.
I’m joining this thread late, but I’d like to point out just how impressed I am with Shooter Jennings. Its obvious he nows how to write and arrange music, which something not seen very often in contemporary music, no matter what genre.
This is probably my favorite song write now, but it receives literally no radio airplay.
Dustin
Can someone in this thread explain to me the constant circlejerk around Johnny Cash?
Yes, most of his earlier work was alright.
But looking at the man, I see nothing admirable. (I’ll probably get flamed for this)
He wore all black. An act to seem menacing.
He never served a prison sentence. Not once. And yet he created some outlaw persona and pretended to commiserate with prisoners while never having been a prisoner. Yeah, because you know, singing hymns growing up with your mother is really the way to outlaw status.
He was an outsider by choice. The ‘big wigs’ never blacklisted him, they embraced him. He had a fucking television show on ABC, for christsake. He hosted Christmas specials on CBS.
He never saw war. He was a technician at an airbase in Germany. He was, by all accounts, a gigantic whiner the entire time he was there.
He lived through the depression. So did a lot of people. Besides the traumatic death of his brother, his childhood seems fairly uneventful.
He was a drug addict who was in love with himself and he created emotional baggage to validate his actions and make himself seem deeper than he was. So… Basically Anna Nicole Smith with a better public perception and some musical talent.
He was a bad husband and a poor father.
I see nothing redeemable about Johnny Cash as a man, and I don’t understand the love for him.
[quote]Dweezil wrote:
Can someone in this thread explain to me the constant circlejerk around Johnny Cash?[/quote]
As far as prisons/prisoners, he fought for prisoner’s right and prison reform. Of course inmates are going to embrace someone who wants to give them a better life.
Also, outlaw country music isn’t really about being an outlaw. It was about going against the traditional Nashville/country music of the time. It was about being an outlaw in the industry. Cash, being one of country music’s biggest star, defended artists’ rights to push the envelope in country music.
And finally, putting everything else aside, his American Recordings series is some of the best alternative country made. (I don’t know exactly what label it falls under.) It’s not often a traditional country star can find new success decades later with a very different style of music.
Now with all that being said, I’m much more of a Merle Haggard fan myself.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
I’m joining this thread late, but I’d like to point out just how impressed I am with Shooter Jennings. Its obvious he nows how to write and arrange music, which something not seen very often in contemporary music, no matter what genre.
This is probably my favorite song write now, but it receives literally no radio airplay.
Dustin[/quote]
Sorry man… Not much love here for Shooter as a country artist. I actually tried to like the guy but I just can’t believe in him. He didn’t hit the country scene until after his rock band failed and after his Dad died then all of a sudden he is country.
[quote]Dweezil wrote:
Can someone in this thread explain to me the constant circlejerk around Johnny Cash?
Yes, most of his earlier work was alright.
But looking at the man, I see nothing admirable. (I’ll probably get flamed for this)
He wore all black. An act to seem menacing.
He never served a prison sentence. Not once. And yet he created some outlaw persona and pretended to commiserate with prisoners while never having been a prisoner. Yeah, because you know, singing hymns growing up with your mother is really the way to outlaw status.
He was an outsider by choice. The ‘big wigs’ never blacklisted him, they embraced him. He had a fucking television show on ABC, for christsake. He hosted Christmas specials on CBS.
He never saw war. He was a technician at an airbase in Germany. He was, by all accounts, a gigantic whiner the entire time he was there.
He lived through the depression. So did a lot of people. Besides the traumatic death of his brother, his childhood seems fairly uneventful.
He was a drug addict who was in love with himself and he created emotional baggage to validate his actions and make himself seem deeper than he was. So… Basically Anna Nicole Smith with a better public perception and some musical talent.
He was a bad husband and a poor father.
I see nothing redeemable about Johnny Cash as a man, and I don’t understand the love for him.[/quote]
Did ya get all that info from the movie?
[quote]40&Big wrote:
I have lost interest in country since it got so pretty. Country ain’t pretty. There are some pretty boys who are exceptional entertainers out there, like Tim McGraw and Kenny Chesney and so on.
It ain’t for me. Country to me is about drinking to much, fighting too much, in general being a fuck up, and making no apologies about it.
And if you can listen to Chris LeDoux live,“Hooked on an 8 Second Ride” and not be ready to smash someone, then you ain’t country either.
Chris LeDoux is (was) the shit.[/quote]
Flip Flop boy Chesney and Tim Mcgraw are Pop Cuntry nothing more…
I agree Ledoux was awesome…
[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
So I was reading thru the thread, and saw too many comments I wanted to reply to, so I’m replying to none except the ones I remember.
Waylon IS the greatest voice country music has ever produced. Poor Shooter, he just can’t fill dem dusty 'ol boots.
Robert Earl keen deserves your ears.
Hank Sr is basically the guy every outlaw country guy wishes he was – especially his progeny and grandson.
Kristofferson is a GENIUS, but I feel he DOES have a songwriting equal in this genre: Townes Van Zandt. Townes wrote Pancho & lefty, If I Needed You, and a ton of great tunes you’ve never heard. Check out the documentary ‘Be Here To Love Me’. It’s very sad, but very moving. Willie, Kristofferson, Steve Earle, and Guy Clark all talk about him in it. He was a best friend to Guy Clark and a hero to Steve Earle.
If you love ‘Outlaw Country’, go buy ‘Heartworn Highways’. It’s PHENOMENAL. It’s like a ‘Behind The Music’ of real ‘country outlaws’, great country musicians making ends meet and doing it their way. Some BRILLIANT musicians and writers, living the songs they were writing about. Guy Clark, Townes Van Zandt, David Allan Coe, Steve Earle (he’s like 17 in it!), Rodney Crowell, Steve Young, Charlie Daniels… Seriously, it’s GREAT stuff.
Check YouTube for ‘Heartworn Highways’, there’s a clip of Townes playing the first song he ever wrote, and he brings his old friend to tears…[/quote]
Yessir… Waylon was amazing… My favorite Waylon quote is “Garth Brook has done to Country Music what panty hose has done for finger fuckin”
Townes is getting more and more recognition lately which is good to see. Im telling you though. Watch out for Justin Townes Earle. He is amaing already!!
Hiram (Hank) Williams is my favorite. the amount of great songs he made in such a short career and life is incompehendable to me.
Look at my post above. It has some of the new hopeful talent sticking to their roots and not worrying about whether or not Trashville will play their music.
[quote]trailrash wrote:
Sorry man… Not much love here for Shooter as a country artist. I actually tried to like the guy but I just can’t believe in him. He didn’t hit the country scene until after his rock band failed and after his Dad died then all of a sudden he is country.
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I think his music fits more of a Southern rock/crossover sound, kind of like Skynyrd or Marshall Tucker Band.
Interestingly, his music isn’t played on the radio much like his father’s music.
Dustin
[quote]Dustin wrote:
trailrash wrote:
Sorry man… Not much love here for Shooter as a country artist. I actually tried to like the guy but I just can’t believe in him. He didn’t hit the country scene until after his rock band failed and after his Dad died then all of a sudden he is country.
I think his music fits more of a Southern rock/crossover sound, kind of like Skynyrd or Marshall Tucker Band.
Interestingly, his music isn’t played on the radio much like his father’s music.
Dustin[/quote]
It does but he also has country… One of his albums is called Put the O back in country if I remember right. he could be worse. he could be like Big and Rich or Rascall Flatts.
[quote]trailrash wrote:
Did ya get all that info from the movie?
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No. The movie was nicer than it should have been. It ended essentially implying that he lived happily ever after, while the reality was that after he married June Carter he was just as big a shit as before he married her. A shit that could sing, though, so apparently that makes him alright.
[quote]Dweezil wrote:
trailrash wrote:
Did ya get all that info from the movie?
No. The movie was nicer than it should have been. It ended essentially implying that he lived happily ever after, while the reality was that after he married June Carter he was just as big a shit as before he married her. A shit that could sing, though, so apparently that makes him alright.[/quote]
Then what the fuck is your question then? You seem to already know all the answers. Or was your question your way of saying that you don’t like him without really saying it. Was it a subtle slam? what? You felt cool because you know a liitle about JR Cash and you felt the need to enlighten everyone an in the meantime take a shot at anyone who does enjoy his music? If you know so much about him then you would know why he is considered an Outlaw.