[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
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[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
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[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Awesome.
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-humility-stops-hotel-bags-112502058.html[/quote]
That is pretty awesome.[/quote]
No offence but I don’t see what’s so awesome. He paid a hotel bill that was required. Woop de doo? Unless there was something else to it?[/quote]
Not that the bill was paid, but that he paid the bill. He’s humble, he is the monarch of a country and the Vicar of Christ, he has plenty of people at his service, but instead he is acting like the Servant of Servants he is…by that I mean in doing a menial chore.[/quote]
Yes. Exactly.
Another thing is, he is Pope now, for the rest of his life, so it’s not like he’s working to impress anybody or achieve any higher position at this point. This is who he is, and acts like these speak volumes about his character. [/quote]
I admire the fact that he did it…shows humility.[/quote]
I don’t see it? He gave due what was due. That’s it.
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When Christ showed ‘humility’ he was washing people’s feet. When the Pope goes and lives with and amongst the lepers/ prostitutes, homeless etc. Then I’ll give him credit for having some humility. Until then, he’s just a rich boy paying his 5 star/ diamond hotel bill just like all the rest of them. [/quote]
The Cardinal is notorious for living with the poor (he lives in an apartment rather than the Archbishop’s Palace (and ditched it in the time being)), washing the feet of prostitutes, AIDs victims, single mothers (where it is still common to shun single mothers), and the sick.
I don’t expect you to give him credit, but to detract from him being humble (recognizing the truth about himself) I’ll defend against that.[/quote]
I’ll give credit when I witness it, when it’s due. Hearing about him paying his bill at his 5 star resort isn’t convincing to me, though it was plenty of evidence to others that he’s got humility, integrity and genuine love for the lowest of the low/ least of his brothers. I’m still wondering, and I come with sarcasm because people and articles actually claim that he has humility for paying a bill. I called bullshit and I’m sticking to it on that one! Because you pay your bill does not mean you have humility!
As men with integrity, I think we owe it to ourselves to call bullshit when we see it. Just doing what I think is right, if I see or hear about the Pope actually doing something that involves humility, I’ll say I was wrong about him. Until then, he’s just another dude. [/quote]
And, I’ve been calling bullshit on you. You have still not explained how it is not humble for the monarch over 1.2 billion people to pay his own bill in person (along with making his own phone calls, washing the feet of sick children, AIDs victims, single mothers, &c.)
Let me ask you, what does humility mean? What is the definition?[/quote]
You should worry about your own definition of humility and how it would apply to certain people. You know that saying about how it’s harder for a rich man to make it to heaven?
When I think about Humility for celebrity’s or athletes, the first guy that comes to my mind is Bo Jackson. If you remember him, he was an extreme talent, extremely strong, didn’t lift weights yet pulled off super human feats, and never showboated. He never caved into strong wealthy groups that attempted to manipulated him (like Tampa Bay Bucks). His celebrity came about because of his talent. He stayed loyal to his family, his home, his mother regardless of the attention. Compare him to say Deon Sanders and you see that he had a level of humility about his abilities and his celebrity that other guys couldn’t help but celebrate and boast. Other guys couldn’t help but be corrupted/ change as a result of the celebrity and money. Bo didn’t, he stayed the same guy.
For the Church, you have your model of humility in Christ. Would Christ be okay with guys rolling around in big red suits, so self important that it’s a general rule for people to bow down and kiss their silly ruby rings? Would Christ be okay with the ostentatious Churches and corruption within the Churches bank while people in the world go on hungry and sick? Your measuring stick is Christ for humility, it has to be.
I imagine Christ in my situation and I imagine he’d be a better man than myself. I get homeless people in my location now and then coughing their lungs out, and there IS TB amongst a good amount of homeless folks here. What I do is give them some relief from the cold, and now and then I’ll give two bucks so someone can get a cup of coffee or baked good from the 24 hr coffee shop down the road. If Christ were me, he’d open up his home and take care of these folks, give up his bed and sleep on the floor or couch, share his food, and of course cure their disease (he is God after all). Sacrifice is part of humility that I don’t see happening from the church, rather the flock sacrifices for the church, it has to do with not putting yourself in front of, or above others. The flock does this for the shepherd these days, it’s ass backwards.
The Church puts itself first, not it’s followers, or citizens of the planet which is really who the Church is supposed to look after (least of your brothers) doing, or not doing unto them is doing unto Christ.
If Christ would clean the feet of a leper, and sacrifice, that’s the standard I have for the leaders of the Church. I understand they are incapable of miracles, but they are capable of putting the people first, rather than the banks, or paying your bill at the 5 star resort which Christ probably wouldn’t even set foot in.