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I just looked it up on YouTube. Thank you very much. Do you ice it after you rub it?
I just saw you ice it…my bad.

It’s the most annoying thing i want to do pull ups and curls right now but I don’t want to rip my tendon. I got some athletic tape that seems to help.

don’t do things that aggravate it. Pull ups and curls especially.

Hammer curls didn’t bother it for me, but if you feel any pain, don’t do it. I would just lay off those for a week at least.

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Ice after exercise. Rub right before bed. The rubbing and pain/redness afterwards is what you want actually. Increased blood flow and “supposedly” it realigns the fibers in the tendon.

Has always worked for me , use it for shoulder and other issues.

@physioLojik So do you take new patients from out of state? I get worried that my naturopath will stop being able to prescribe my HC, Thyroid, and Test. Or that insurance will realize it is prescribed by a naturopath and stop paying for it. When that day does come, I’m gonna need to find a good endo like you or Imma die lol. I’ve been to countless already that just don’t know crap. I was in the ER in December and they refused to believe my adrenals weren’t working and said I just had a cold. Like I said before, I gave up on endos thinking they are all stupid until I continually read your posts. This one impressed me even more. I really like that you use the DUTCH test. I’ve done blood tests, DUTCH tests, blood spot tests, and saliva tests.

Side note: What is the lowest body temperature you have seen in patients lacking cortisol?

@getcutgetbutt hey man. Thanks for the kind words! I am currently not taking new patients and I haven’t found a viable solution to put up my professional info since I am a user of AAS publicly.

On another note - have you had a CT of your adrenals or a pituitary MRI? Have you done a Cosyntropin stim test?

@physioLojik Darn. Yeah I understand about the putting your name out there. Can’t get yourself into trouble.

See that was the frustrating part for me, been to a hand full of endos asking for help and got nothing but getting a few blood tests and them saying you’re fine. None of them would order a CT or MRI. And i have never done the stim test. Thats how we ended up at a naturopath, because after trying for so long to get an endo to help, i kept crashing more and more. Pretty soon I wasn’t functioning whatsoever. Throwing up constantly if I tried to move, shaking extremely badly, super muscle weakness, extreme body pain, my sleep was incredibly jacked up, and my body temp continually decreased. We had to switch to an oral glass thermometer because the other just started reading “LOW”. Multiple glass ones read in the mid 80’s. Yeah I think its a miracle I’m still alive right now. I’m jumping all over the place because my stories just too long to type, but I ended up having heart problems from the low body temp and lack of cortisol. Finally we saw the naturopath and goes we’ll no crap you are having problems you have no cortisol. So I started on some bioidentical cortisol which helped a little but i needed stronger stuff so we went to hydrocortisone. Over about 3 months that took all my symptoms away minus a lot of muscle weakness and still some body pain. I just had the energy to deal with it. Thats when we started TRT (once I was stable and not dying anymore) and within the first 6 weeks that significantly lowered the muscle weakness and all pain is gone.

Sorry for the long response to simple questions, I just wanted to give you a little more info. Also had a TBI about 5 years ago. We are assuming that is the cause of the HPTA axis problems. So i have had a few brain MRI’s.

I guess I could do that with my Tostran 2% gel (before I eventually move to injections).

I normally use 80mg transdermal testosterone per day because it’s not very efficiently absorbed, which is 8 pumps of the Tostran bottle.

I was thinking I’d use a random number generator to decide a number of pumps between 7 & 9 - so between 70mg & 90mg of testosterone.

Then set that dosage as the dose for the next 2 weeks. After 2 weeks use the number generator again to decide a dose between 70 & 90 mg for the next 2 weeks etc etc.

What do you think @physioLojik ?

Am I now going off on one & trying to be my own physician hahaha??!

I also alternate between 2 application sites. One day is under my arms, the next day is inner thighs, then repeat… So that sounds like it’d provide a bit of variation in dose through different absorption?

Cheers mate :fist:t2:

Hey bro @getcutgetbutt. What dosage of HC? How many times a day? Just to clarify - the endo you saw didn’t evaluate you and suspect potential Addison’s? How low were your cortisol labs

I listened to the estrogen video above. It’s cites young males estradiol levels to be 75-100pg/ml. This seems high from everything I’ve read.

Peak Testosterone cites a study showing MUCH lower amounts.

Does anyone have a link to a study showing levels to be that 75-100pg/ml level? Or were they stating in pmol?

I’m just wondering if all the confusion in whether to go high with e2 or low with e2 comes down to standards of measure.

I want to know the same thing

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Test Total Estrogens. Not Just E2. Read On

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I read that. Arimidex lowers all estrogen, not just estradiol.

Thing that sucks is that this board says go low (22pg/ml target). Nelson Virgils board said shoot higher and pay attention to the ratio. Physio says let it run free and high.

Who the hell to believe? Right now I’m using dex to get my e2 lower to see if I can feel anything libido wise. If I don’t, I’m going to try increase it.

You need to go by symptoms. If a bit high and no gyno or water retention then it’s is fine.

@physioLojik Am cortisol blood: 5.8 (6.2-19)
Dutch Urine: Waking 6.1 (18-80), Morning 23 (50-200), Afternoon 15 (13-55), night 1.4 (0-25).
Saliva (most recent test before starting HC: morning 0.5 (3.7-9.9), noon 0.9 (1.2-3.0), evening 1.3 (0.6-1.9), night 0.7 (0.4-1.0)

Nope. They said I was producing cortisol so I was fine. One called me lazy that I couldn’t wake up in the morning even though I was puking and shaking and physically couldn’t function. One said it was all in my head and I needed anti depressants (didn’t take btw). Another said I was faking pain to get prescription meds even though I’ve never taken prescription pain meds and didn’t even want them, and the only other endo I remember specifically said that medical MJ would fix everything for me (again did not take).

Currently I take 25mg at 6am, 15 at 11am, 5 at 3pm and another 5 before I fall asleep at night. 4 times a day for a total of 50mg daily. I’ve messed with the times and this has been working the best for me. I sleep great, feel great, and best of all can function.

My symptom is no sex drive. Trying lower to see if it helps. Then I’ll try higher.

My last e2 test came out at 168 pmol/L (04 July) up from 122 (13 June)… Seems to be going up quickly even though I’ve been lowering my test dose over time. I don’t feel any different appart from some tingling/itching in and around nipples. Oh and a little puffiness. Should I be worried about Gyno?

Nipple itchiness is always 100% a too high estrogen symptom. And yes, that means tissue is “growing” that why it itches.

If it’s a bit of itching for a very short time on a day or 2 a week, it should be nothing.

How do we PM someone on here?

Thanks guys… It’s not all the time, just now and again. I guess I’ll have to keep a close eye on things. I’ve stopped HCG so hopefully that and the lower test dose will lower my E2 and stop the itching.