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You put on 20lbs from only 200mg/week??? @trifive

Yes, I am 6’1 and when I started May 17th I weighted 173. Just weighed myself and I am 193. I work out really hard 2 days on/1 off. I eat 80% healthy: Lots of tilapia, sardines, cod, steak, veggies, eggs for breakfast along with some honeycomb (bee kind, not cereal), small potatoes, steel cut oatmeal, etc. I do eat some chocolate and such here and there along with some fast food, but overall I stay pretty healthy. When I’d lift before TRT I would be dead tired and sore for days and could never gain anything. Now I go all day long and never sore the next day no matter how heavy I lift. I am loving this T.

Also, I am 45.

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Agree that TRT has increased my conditioning to insane levels. Feels like i’m never “too tired” to keep going.

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@physioLojik

So if you’re not advocating hcg usage, how do you advise one to increase their estrogen level if they need to if their test level is already in the upper levels? Dhea? Preg?

I’m 50mg test e3d (tt 860, high ft and dht) with sensitive e2 of 27. I’d like to try to raise e2 and see how I feel but don’t want to raise test much more. Shbg around 27.

@physioLojik Do you agree with the information given here.

Cases from the Endocrine Clinic
http://www.mayotalks.com/talks/101?utm_source=mayotalks-site&utm_campaign=talk%20share&utm_medium=email

Woohoo @anon10035199. So glad youre feeling awesome

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I would just say to bump your test up slightly and evaluate how you feel in a few weeks!

I will check the video out as soon as I’m
Able :slight_smile: I’m familiar with her and she is typically pretty intelligent

@physioLojik

Problem is, if I just up my test, that ups my estrogen respectively, keeping my T/E ratio the same. I think I need more estrogen while keeping test the same, thus decreasing the T/E ratio percentage.

In other words, how does one increase estrogen without having to raise test? I don’t think I aromatize enough.

What are your symptoms?

Really only symptom is low/nill sex drive. I quite coffee a few weeks back and sleep much better.

on 50mg e3d, e2 is 27, tt 860, shbg 23. FT and DHT upper range.

I have had spurts of libido at 300mg test e3weeks. e2 was in the 49 range then. So I’m thinking e2 needs to go higher but I’m afraid of upping test too much. (thank you for answering)

@physioLojik my e2 was 29 on a dose of 100mg injected once per week. I changed to 150mg/week but split it into 2 doses (75mg). What are the chances of my e2 going up? I am very low body fat if that makes a difference

Thank you Brother! The dude I workout with has had to stay back a few days, cant keep up. I think increased recovery is such an underrated effect.

Just put up 2 PR’s on OHP and Bench in the past 3 days as well. Vacation in a few days to the beach , I’m packing nothing but tank tops. (Is it legal to feel this good? Honestly)

I want to hear how YOUR cycle is going. Interested to know more about the mental effects of the Deca. Still gaining lean mass?

***This needs to be in the stickies also. Second method for looking at TRT. More scientific approach, instead of throwing arimidex at you before you can tell if you even need it.

PhysioLojik - How does one get in contact with you / become a patient? I live in Kansas.

PhysioLojik - do you have a website?

Great post @physioLojik… I was very curious how you went about treating your patients. Very interesting about the staggering of doses, going up and down. Also very interesting that your don’t use HCG.

Personally things are not going very well for me and seems to be taking forever to get dialled in. It’s been about five months now and still feeling like shite. Gone from 100mg/week up to 300mg/week and slowly dropped down to 120mg/week where I am now. Don’t really feel any different on those doses. Do you think I’d be better switching to test enanthate or cypionate would help if I’m staggering doses? All I can get from my UK doc is Sustanon so I’m waiting 4-5 weeks between dose changes.

Why no use of HCG? Anything to preserve fertility in younger guys who want children?

Thanks for this @physioLojik.

Not currently on TRT but the doc I am seeing to look into this also doesn’t like to use HCG (although he does for some patients). His concern seems to be prions. Said that you shouldn’t donate blood after taking even 1 dose due to potential prions. Is this also a concern for you? I haven’t seen HCG and possible prions discussed much when it comes to TRT.

@anon10035199 u ever had to deal with golfers elbow? Any advice because I want to continue making gains.

LOL fucking YES. Actually I just did something the other day, but it healed quickly.

I did cross friction rub every night before bed, rest, ice. Oh , I forgot, stretching. Stretch all the time. before working out especially.

I think the recovery was aided by TRT though.