Ok so I found some original MAG-10, and I can get three bottles. Not sure if the stuff is as amazing as was rumored to be, or if it’s even still good (even though it was frozen).
Considering running MAG-10, or considering running Mechabol.
I’d run Mech six weeks @ 75mg and then Nolva PCT.
MAG-10 (I’ve heard) is two weeks on / two weeks off twice with no PCT, which seems really strange. I’d love to hear from anyone who ran it.
Anyone have any thoughts?
If frozen it will still be fine.
With the 2 week cycles, while PCT is preferable it’s possible to run a couple of cycles without it.
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Not at all! Very sound questions.
Yes, the product was designed with the intent of being safely usable without PCT, as it’s just unreasonable to expect supplement customers to have to acquire drugs on the black market. The quick recovery from the 2 week cycles, combined with the 4 weeks of off time, is sufficient.
PCT is still preferable but certainly isn’t required.
The total combined amount is 300 mg per serving. Of this, 100 mg was A1-E (androst-1-ene-3-one 17b-ethylcarbonate, which could also be called “1-testosterone” ethylcarbonate, or 4-dihydroboldenone ethylcarbonate) and 200 mg was 4-AD diethylcarbonate.
However, even though 2 servings per day would add up to 4200 mg/week of usage, the amount is not unreasobable: I would count it as comparable to about 1000 mg/week of various alternate pharmaceutical possibilities. We did a small consumer study of this with I think 30 experienced steroid users (defined as having done several cycles of about 1000 mg/week or more) and this was their general opinion of the level of effect. At any rate the dosing was based on intention to achieve that level. That happened to require a high total mg count per week.
This is assuming the product was frozen.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Not at all! Very sound questions.
Yes, the product was designed with the intent of being safely usable without PCT, as it’s just unreasonable to expect supplement customers to have to acquire drugs on the black market. The quick recovery from the 2 week cycles, combined with the 4 weeks of off time, is sufficient.
PCT is still preferable but certainly isn’t required.
The total combined amount is 300 mg per serving. Of this, 100 mg was A1-E (androst-1-ene-3-one 17b-ethylcarbonate, which could also be called “1-testosterone” ethylcarbonate, or 4-dihydroboldenone ethylcarbonate) and 200 mg was 4-AD diethylcarbonate.
However, even though 2 servings per day would add up to 4200 mg/week of usage, the amount is not unreasobable: I would count it as comparable to about 1000 mg/week of various alternate pharmaceutical possibilities. We did a small consumer study of this with I think 30 experienced steroid users (defined as having done several cycles of about 1000 mg/week or more) and this was their general opinion of the level of effect. At any rate the dosing was based on intention to achieve that level. That happened to require a high total mg count per week.
This is assuming the product was frozen. [/quote]
Thanks Bill. A couple more questions.
Thanks a bunch!
Neither is methylated. MAG-10 is safe for the liver.
Either label dosage is fine: one serving per day, or two. The user being new to the product or to steroid use doesn’t change that.
There really is no need for monitoring liver enzymes when using MAG-10, but when doing so, ordinarily a full chemistry panel is done, which so far as the liver is concerned includes blood urea nitrogen, bilirubin, alkaline phosphatase, AST, and ALT, as well as many other things. The entire panel should be only about $25-50 so there is no real reason to test only specific items, if the specific items are even available (I don’t know that they are.)
I wonder if the mods and powers to be at Biotest are shitting themselves yet over all this talk about the REAL MAG-10? haha
I doubt it… it’s always seemed to me that everyone at Biotest took as much pride in the product as in the current product of the same name.
(There was, by the way, thought given as to whether using the same name for an entirely different product would be confusing. Although I’m not a decider of such things, my opinion was that the product categories were obviously totally different and so much time had passed that I couldn’t foresee anyone mistaking one for the other. But, I have to admit I didn’t foresee the many instances of freezer-stored MAG-10 still popping up so many years later!)
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Neither is methylated. MAG-10 is safe for the liver.
Either label dosage is fine: one serving per day, or two. The user being new to the product or to steroid use doesn’t change that.
There really is no need for monitoring liver enzymes when using MAG-10, but when doing so, ordinarily a full chemistry panel is done, which so far as the liver is concerned includes blood urea nitrogen, bilirubin, alkaline phosphatase, AST, and ALT, as well as many other things. The entire panel should be only about $25-50 so there is no real reason to test only specific items, if the specific items are even available (I don’t know that they are.)
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Thanks, really appreciate the information!
Hi Bill
Another MAG-10 related question, I have a couple of unopened original MAG-10 bottles, however they have not been frozen, just wrapped and stored in a box within a cupboard. Would there be any benefit/dangers using them?
chints, glad to help!
jackdaniels, if they are the liquid, I would write them off as an unfortunately lost cause.
If the capsules, then most likely they still retain significant potency. Personally I’d be willing to use them, but if having an approach that even (to utterly make up a figure) a 1 in 10,000 risk of any kind would be unacceptable, then not.
I’m not saying that there is risk of any particular value. Besides losing the esters (which is harmless but would reduce effectiveness) the only chemical reaction I’d expect would be keto-enol tautomerism converting 4-AD (after losing both esters) or 4-AD-17b-ethylcarbonate (after losing only the ester at the 3- position) to DHT or to DHT-17b-ethylcarbonate. Those would not be toxic, just unintended. But trying untested things can’t be assumed to have zero risk. We knew the composition of the product when manufactured, but can’t say for a fact what the composition is 7 or more years later when stored at room temperature.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
chints, glad to help!
jackdaniels, if they are the liquid, I would write them off as an unfortunately lost cause.
If the capsules, then most likely they still retain significant potency. Personally I’d be willing to use them, but if having an approach that even (to utterly make up a figure) a 1 in 10,000 risk of any kind would be unacceptable, then not.
I’m not saying that there is risk of any particular value. Besides losing the esters (which is harmless but would reduce effectiveness) the only chemical reaction I’d expect would be keto-enol tautomerism converting 4-AD (after losing both esters) or 4-AD-17b-ethylcarbonate (after losing only the ester at the 3- position) to DHT or to DHT-17b-ethylcarbonate. Those would not be toxic, just unintended. But trying untested things can’t be assumed to have zero risk. We knew the composition of the product when manufactured, but can’t say for a fact what the composition is 7 or more years later when stored at room temperature.[/quote]
Thanks for clearing that up, I believe they were liquid so will bin them.
I have two frozen bottles left. I’ll probably use them as orals on a cycle. Any tips that could be helpful on that?
I know the question is pretty vague, but maybe there’s a similar oral that it could “replace” well. Probably need less Mag10 daily if there’s a AAS base.