Oregand(Davids) Training Log

[quote]Oregand wrote:
Monday

Well just thought id let everyone know how badly I f**ked my diet today:)

Every thing was going swell until meal 5(my last meal of the day, id eaten 2400 clean Kcals). Were having guests and my mom is serving ham and turkey, I dont know what it is but gahhhhhh.

500 grams of boiled ham, 400 grams of turkey breast, 500 grams of boiled carrots, 3 tablespoons of olive oil, 3 cucumbers, half a lettuce and 400 grams of onion.(1890 kcals :slight_smile: and im still not full).

FML[/quote]

Ha man I know the feeling. Some days I can get to dinner time and hardly have broken like 2,000 clean calories and not even be hungry. Other times I can soar past 3,000 half-way through the day and still not get full. Sometimes your body just needs more food than others, its good to listen to what your body wants.

[quote]Oregand wrote:
Im doing chins man, palms in. Funny that your much stronger on the pull ups. I suck royally at them so when I reach a reasonable weight on chins im going to switch to weighted pull ups.

Yeah Ive seen the zercher squats on your training log. Its fucking bull that neither of our gyms have a cage, wtf is the world coming too? Ill look into them though and see what the crack is.

Awesome, I re read it again today and every time I read “moving north of vag” I get soooo pumped. You’ll get the assistance down, I think JW doesn’t really care to much for assistance stuff so its real trial by fire. I like the look of the BBing assistance work, but maybe im just a BBer at heart lol. Big but boring looks solid, though tbh I find it hard to care for assistance work when I know the main lifts are going well.[/quote]

I’m doing roughly the dave tate periodisation style assistance work.
But the easiest way to plan the assistance stuff is to just think of it as assistance stuff to make your big lifts strong. So on deadlifts days you know you want to do stuff that will help the muscle groups you use in a deadlift. Same goes for bench, squats and OHP.

[quote]phlegms wrote:

[quote]Oregand wrote:
Monday

Well just thought id let everyone know how badly I f**ked my diet today:)

Every thing was going swell until meal 5(my last meal of the day, id eaten 2400 clean Kcals). Were having guests and my mom is serving ham and turkey, I dont know what it is but gahhhhhh.

500 grams of boiled ham, 400 grams of turkey breast, 500 grams of boiled carrots, 3 tablespoons of olive oil, 3 cucumbers, half a lettuce and 400 grams of onion.(1890 kcals :slight_smile: and im still not full).

FML[/quote]

Ha man I know the feeling. Some days I can get to dinner time and hardly have broken like 2,000 clean calories and not even be hungry. Other times I can soar past 3,000 half-way through the day and still not get full. Sometimes your body just needs more food than others, its good to listen to what your body wants.
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I know man, but I still feel like crap when I over eat lol.

Thursday: Reps

Warm up

A)
DB Rows
3 x 25 x 20KG

B)
Chins
S
Facepulls

4 X 8 X 0KG
S
4 X 8 - 12 X 13 - 18KG

C)
Shrugs
S
PullDowns

3 X 10 X 25KG
S
3 X 15 - 20 X 20 - 16KG

D)
Laterial reaises
4 X 3 X 14KG
6 X 4 X 12KG
1 X 10 X 10KG

E)
Hex holds
3 X Max time X 10KG

Cardio:
5 50M Sprints with 25KG sled.

Foam rolling like a mofo

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I offically got into the HPG gym today and fuck me is it amazing. 6 cages, 6 platforms, 1 sled, 3 trap bars, 3 O bars, 3 power bars, over 3 tonnes in plates, bands, foam rollers, broomsticks etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Man im in fucking heaven, I cannot and I mean CANNOT wait for 5/3/1

Fuck man that sounds awesome. You have to sneak me into that gym in the summer!

Part of me wishes I could do some cardio with a sled. Then again, my legs are so rocked every day from this Ramp2 stuff that I probably couldn’t do it, haha.

Friday: Squats

Warm up

A)
Squats
10 X 30KG
4 X 40KG
4 X 50KG
3 X 3 X 60KG
1 X 3 X 50KG

B)
R Deads
12 X 60KG
10 X 60KG
9 X 60KG

C)
Split squats
8 X 15KG
10 X 15KG
12 X 15KG

D)
Ab circuit

Cardio:
None

Lots of foam rolling

Today was possibly the worst workout of my lifting life so far. I know what it means to be humbled and take a massive hit on your ego i.e. see squats.

I had a cage, I was all phyced and ready to go but my body just wasnt. Kept the weight low so that the reps would be strict form but shit like that really hurts your mental side.

I dont know, not a good day but fuck it. Ill just have to try a little harder next week.

This will cheer you up!

Dave, I’m just going to say it because someone needs to–you probably need to be eating more.

[quote]phlegms wrote:
This will cheer you up!

That’s awesome, thanks man.

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
Dave, I’m just going to say it because someone needs to–you probably need to be eating more.[/quote]

I think you might be right.

I’m on 3000 daily ATM with a decent amount of carbs but I did lose weight last week which isn’t good so over the next few weeks I’ll be upping the Kcals about 300 a week until I’m making slow gains on the scales again.

Weighed myself this morning. I dropped another pound this week, well fuck this shit my Kcals are now 3500 a day and they will go too 4000 daily if I don’t stop losing weight.

As J would say, it’s time to stop f@*king around.

[quote]Oregand wrote:
Weighed myself this morning. I dropped another pound this week, well fuck this shit my Kcals are now 3500 a day and they will go too 4000 daily if I don’t stop losing weight.

As J would say, it’s time to stop f@*king around.[/quote]

Haha, I wouldn’t call a 500 cal discrepancy fucking around…

[quote]jskrabac wrote:

[quote]Oregand wrote:
Weighed myself this morning. I dropped another pound this week, well fuck this shit my Kcals are now 3500 a day and they will go too 4000 daily if I don’t stop losing weight.

As J would say, it’s time to stop f@*king around.[/quote]

Haha, I wouldn’t call a 500 cal discrepancy fucking around…[/quote]

Damit man, I was trying to sound like a badass! Haha

Dude, 3k is NOTHING. I’m eating 5k right now. I weigh 195lbs, still have visible abs, and squatted 305 5 times yesterday.

Again, I don’t say that as a “Look at me!”–but just that it’s something you might need to hear. You do pullups with nearly as much weight +BW as I do, but your leg strength seems way behind–that can only be for two reasons: a) you’re not eating enough; b) you need to get your mind right when you’re squatting. You just need someone to tell you that there’s absolutely no excuse for you still squatting 60kg. Shit man, you should be warming up with that! Eat a lot more and man up under that f***ing bar!

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
Dude, 3k is NOTHING. I’m eating 5k right now. I weigh 195lbs, still have visible abs, and squatted 305 5 times yesterday.

Again, I don’t say that as a “Look at me!”–but just that it’s something you might need to hear. You do pullups with nearly as much weight +BW as I do, but your leg strength seems way behind–that can only be for two reasons: a) you’re not eating enough; b) you need to get your mind right when you’re squatting. You just need someone to tell you that there’s absolutely no excuse for you still squatting 60kg. Shit man, you should be warming up with that! Eat a lot more and man up under that f***ing bar! [/quote]

Your right and I know it. I appreciate you calling me out like this, there is no excuse.

I’m going to be upping my Kcals by 500 weekly and looking to add some serious weight to my squats, 60KG is a fucking disgrace.

Thanks TC3, I appreciate you checking in on me.

First off, sorry for the typo–got 305 4 times the other day, not 5. Two other thoughts I had while doing my am cardio (ha, I spent most of the time thinking about how much you can squat :P) :

  1. To be squatting that little, your form has to suck. I mean, I OHP a lot more than you squat, for christ’s sake. You need to watch all the EliteFTS videos on squatting (So You Think You Can Squat). If you’ve already watched them, watch them again. Watch them a few times. I’ve watched them many times. I feel like most newb gains in squats are form-related and mental toughness related. In theory, I should barely be squatting more than anyone–I spent the last six years beating all my Type I fibers into Type II fibers, so my legs should have very few fast-twitch fibers, at least at first.

  2. Start doing some unpleasant shit as a supplement to your squatting workouts. If you need to justify it to yourself, think of it as prep for BBB.

For instance, at the end of your squatting, put on a weight you think you can do 10 times and go for 13-15 reps. Give it two minutes rest, then do a set of squats where you pause in the hole for 8-10 reps. Great for hypertrophy and such, but what it really helps is the mental toughness. I would MUCH rather squat 305 4 times than 275 16 times or anything like that.

Right now, my “finisher” on leg days (read: every day during Ramp2, fuck me) is to take the plate loaded leg press, put on the weight I would normally do for like thirty or so, and just do shallow leg press for 2 minutes and try to get as many reps as I can. It is hell. Add a finisher to your leg routine.

Know that you’re weak. I look at the weight I put on the bar, and I’m half disgusted with myself. Ha, then, I almost always add 5 pounds to what I had in mind initially, for better or worse.

You said to me before that you were a masochist about doing high rep squats and stuff, but I haven’t seen you do it. Ha, part of me thinks that’s why you’re so excited about doing them–I’ll tell my that myself, I’m definitely not looking forward to next week, and the thought of the week after that seems…impossible.

Then, when your current program ends, join me in BBB.

Eating is part of your training. On Iron Radio, Dr. Lowrey compared an athlete not wanting to eat more to an athlete wanting to skip a workout. It helps me a lot to view them as similar.

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
First off, sorry for the typo–got 305 4 times the other day, not 5. Two other thoughts I had while doing my am cardio (ha, I spent most of the time thinking about how much you can squat :P) :

  1. To be squatting that little, your form has to suck. I mean, I OHP a lot more than you squat, for christ’s sake. You need to watch all the EliteFTS videos on squatting (So You Think You Can Squat). If you’ve already watched them, watch them again. Watch them a few times. I’ve watched them many times. I feel like most newb gains in squats are form-related and mental toughness related. In theory, I should barely be squatting more than anyone–I spent the last six years beating all my Type I fibers into Type II fibers, so my legs should have very few fast-twitch fibers, at least at first.

  2. Start doing some unpleasant shit as a supplement to your squatting workouts. If you need to justify it to yourself, think of it as prep for BBB.

For instance, at the end of your squatting, put on a weight you think you can do 10 times and go for 13-15 reps. Give it two minutes rest, then do a set of squats where you pause in the hole for 8-10 reps. Great for hypertrophy and such, but what it really helps is the mental toughness. I would MUCH rather squat 305 4 times than 275 16 times or anything like that.

Right now, my “finisher” on leg days (read: every day during Ramp2, fuck me) is to take the plate loaded leg press, put on the weight I would normally do for like thirty or so, and just do shallow leg press for 2 minutes and try to get as many reps as I can. It is hell. Add a finisher to your leg routine.

Know that you’re weak. I look at the weight I put on the bar, and I’m half disgusted with myself. Ha, then, I almost always add 5 pounds to what I had in mind initially, for better or worse.

You said to me before that you were a masochist about doing high rep squats and stuff, but I haven’t seen you do it. Ha, part of me thinks that’s why you’re so excited about doing them–I’ll tell my that myself, I’m definitely not looking forward to next week, and the thought of the week after that seems…impossible.

Then, when your current program ends, join me in BBB.

Eating is part of your training. On Iron Radio, Dr. Lowrey compared an athlete not wanting to eat more to an athlete wanting to skip a workout. It helps me a lot to view them as similar.[/quote]

Still 305 for 4 isnt that bad:P Jayus, nice to know I was with you in your thoughts during cardio haha.

1)In theory, but your putting theory to shame because you want it that badly. Thats what making it for you, that burning desire to be better than last time. So yeah in theory you should suck but the reality is very very very different. Ill re watch the videos and then re watch them and then re watch them again, Ive watched them a lot and I always thought my form was ok. Obviously I was very fucking wrong.

2)I dont need any justification for something that will help me stop squatting like a 14 year old girl on her period. Ill add that in after my squats from now on, ill do 2 - 3 sets of pause in the hole squats in order to building some bloody mental stamina. Ill also add a finisher to my DL and squat days, I have access to a leg press now so I might do the same as you.

I know im weak, im very very weak and im trying to change that because I despise being weak, it cuts me too the core just knowing how weak I really am tbh.

The reason I havent added anything like this is for fear of fucking up my program, I was trying to stick to the template as written and not go crazy adding shit but if I can/need to add some insane stuff to get stronger I will do it. And no, once I start it I probably wont be as eager for it:P

It also comes back to me being such a beginner, im always second guessing myself in the weight room not wanting to fuck things up. “Should I add more weight? No, I was told strict form is better” etc.

Hmmmm, When this program ends its defiantly a toss for BBB and 5/3/1, I know which ever one I pick ill stick too for as long as I see results but deciding which is breaking my head:P.

Dont worry about eating, When I was a pound down today my first thought was “FFS”, my second thought though was “Fucking sweet, I get to eat an extra 500 Kcals, maybe I should add a 1000?”. Eating will never be a problem for me.

The reason I say your form has to suck is because there’s just no way that you’re only doing 60kg on squats at this point. Your body has more muscle than that–you need to learn to recruit all the muscle you can for the lift. That’s what I’m saying about your squatting numbers–stop telling yourself that you’re weak because you’re squatting 60kg. Squatting 60kg for you has nothing to do with muscular weakness. First, realize that a squat that low has got to be the result of the fact that you haven’t learned how to recruit more muscle for the lift. I’m a beginner too, and I am not at all saying that my squat form is perfect–my squat form is probably at the “pretty good” level MAYBE–but I’m obsessive about proper form with squats and being sure that I’m really recruiting all the muscle I possibly can to move that weight.

I feel like I’m sort of where you’re at on squat with my bench press. I need to start rethinking my form on bench.

I understand not wanting to screw with your program, but if your program is getting you to squatting 60kg at this point, then…what’s so great about the program for you?

and ADD 1K CALORIES at least! Just eat clean foods, man. And really work your fucking balls off in the gym. I’ve put a bit of fat on my newly emerging love handles, but that’s fine for now. The first step is putting on size. Every big guy was puffy at some point, and if I need to get to 225 being a bit puffy by the end, then so be it.

The easiest advice I’ve ever given to a client is to eat twice of what your eating.