Chuck us a link plz JW… 
many have commented that they don’t see a difference in the pics (I do), but more importantly you can’t expect to see major changes in pictures.
The measurements don’t lie. They are taken by a very experienced trainer.
I’d have a hard time assessing those changes as “steroid-like,” I have to say.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/blog_sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_alpha/my_11t_review_thread
many have commented that they don’t see a difference in the pics (I do), but more importantly you can’t expect to see major changes in pictures.
The measurements don’t lie. They are taken by a very experienced trainer.[/quote]
Looks matter more than measurements do. The measurements may not lie, but they sure don’t tell the whole story.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/blog_sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_alpha/my_11t_review_thread
many have commented that they don’t see a difference in the pics (I do), but more importantly you can’t expect to see major changes in pictures.
The measurements don’t lie. They are taken by a very experienced trainer.[/quote]
Honestly, and don’t take this wrong please, I see no difference in the pics either.
you may have gained weight but I do not see a 30 pound lean gain in there.
and I too have a problem with the “steroid like” claims.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I’d have a hard time assessing those changes as “steroid-like,” I have to say.[/quote]
They’re not even “supplement-like” if you ask me. If they weren’t labelled, I’d have absolutely NO IDEA of before vs after.
There is a minute difference - yet i am not totally convinced it is an improvement! I can not see 30lbs lean gain and i wonder if you are using a different set of weighing scales!
Gotta tell you - i think you got ripped! lol!
J/K - Biotest supplements are some of the greatest supplements ever produced and results may vary - training and diet are the primary tools to illicit changes in any physique and a supplement is just that - a supplement to the hard work and dedication needed to make the small changes possible.
uh… where’s my coat…?
Brook
Where in those threads did I say I gained 30 Lbs from 11-T?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Where in those threads did I say I gained 30 Lbs from 11-T?[/quote]
I think your whole experience with it, to be frank,(or Joe Momma), is the same as George Costanza’s (Seinfeld), analogy of honesty…you remember that?
“Remember, it’s not a lie, if you believe it”!!!
Anyone who tries to say you made significant and/or noticeable gains from those ridiculous pictures, is out of their minds dude. Get real. Talk is cheap.
“You dazzle me with your brilliance, but you baffle me with your bullshit”.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Where in those threads did I say I gained 30 Lbs from 11-T?
I think your whole experience with it, to be frank,(or Joe Momma), is the same as George Costanza’s (Seinfeld), analogy of honesty…you remember that?
“Remember, it’s not a lie, if you believe it”!!!
Anyone who tries to say you made significant and/or noticeable gains from those ridiculous pictures, is out of their minds dude. Get real. Talk is cheap.
“You dazzle me with your brilliance, but you baffle me with your bullshit”.[/quote]
No one include me has said the pics show a dramatic, if much difference.
I really don’t get the anti- 11-T on this site, lol
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Where in those threads did I say I gained 30 Lbs from 11-T?[/quote]
you were saying in the thread that a before weight was 160 someting and the after weight was 190 something.
I am sorry if I read it wrong but looked like you were saying that before and after your 2 runs of 11-T you gained 30 pounds with no fat gain.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
“…I really don’t get the anti- 11-T on this site LOLZ…”
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Maybe its because we are AAS users - and after a substantial amount of money spent on the tons of supps you use, you are… well… the same as far as anyone other than yourself can see.
I am not Anti 11T at all… i honestly think as supplements go it is quite ground-breaking, but with all legal supps, the results are miniscule, yet the price is sooo extreme -
I am sure you are happy with your net results from your lifetime of training but for the guys on this part of the site - ‘moderate’ just isnt enough.
Not a flame.
Brook
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Where in those threads did I say I gained 30 Lbs from 11-T?[/quote]
You most certainly did imply this. Here:
I was pretty astounded at this, too. Since reading this, I have begun assuming you were talking about some overall global change you had made in your training,
but you certainly did nothing to dispel the ambiguity of your statement in it’s implication that you gained around 30lbs of lean mass from 11-T, or that there is a 30lb change in those before and after pictures. If be believe there indeed is a 30lb change in the before after pictures, then I’ve got some property I’d like to sell you.
Btw, the participants on this thread are not hating on 11-T, they are questioning the results you claim and your assessment of them.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Where in those threads did I say I gained 30 Lbs from 11-T?
You most certainly did imply this. Here:
malonetd wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
CC- I’m about 4 weeks into applying your strategy of pyramiding up the weights during the sets. I don’t keep the same weight for all sets anymore.
Not really sure what else I can do to improve as far as results go :shrug:
167 lbs at 18%
to 198 lbs at 17%
There’s a 30 pound difference in those pictures?!
check my bulking thread at the end
I was pretty astounded at this, too. Since reading this, I have begun assuming you were talking about some overall global change you had made in your training,
but you certainly did nothing to dispel the ambiguity of your statement in it’s implication that you gained around 30lbs of lean mass from 11-T, or that there is a 30lb change in those before and after pictures.
If be believe there indeed is a 30lb change in the before after pictures, then I’ve got some property I’d like to sell you.
Btw, the participants on this thread are not hating on 11-T, they are questioning the results you claim and your assessment of them.[/quote]
Where does it say 11-T caused increase in 30 lbs?
All, I see is me defending my gains over the past several months where people were saying I should have been making better gains.
If it came off that way (one, way more people should have called me out on embellishing), but I do apologize.
I was commenting on the fact I gained 30 lbs from Feb to Sept.
The very 1st thread I linked to stated my current stats.
taken directly from 11-T round 2:
I’d have to politely disagree.
I look thicker in the front flex pic.
Delts pop out more on the back double bi, along with better overall back development
Rear lat spread is negligible but does seem a tiny bit better.
I’m up 8 lbs and body fat reduced slightly so there has to be some changes, but nothing drastic it was only 6 weeks."
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
taken directly from 11-T round 2:
I’d have to politely disagree.
I look thicker in the front flex pic.
Delts pop out more on the back double bi, along with better overall back development
Rear lat spread is negligible but does seem a tiny bit better.
I’m up 8 lbs and body fat reduced slightly so there has to be some changes, but nothing drastic it was only 6 weeks."[/quote]
Maybe we’re just used to seeing more dramatic results, and are a bit more down the road in terms of overall development.
I mean the stuff you’re talking about with regard to your own physique, reminds me of when I was in high school to be honest. No flame intended.
Thing is, you talk a lot, you’re in the “cough” T cell, and well, you just kind of come off like you think you’re one hell of a personal trainer, and really know your shit…and well…that’s just not jiving with some of us, especially when looking at your size, coupled with how much you want to “advise” the folks out and about on this site.
I just don’t see the delts “poppin out” on that back double bi, lol. Hey, be my guest though, and continue to spend all that money on whatever floats your boat. You’ll just never convince me it’s worth it at all.
Merry Christmas though dude.
x2
I for one probably won’t buy 11T because I know I could get a grip of Test for that and well…
also JF I don’t see the results of your pics man, I’m sorry but sometimes honest criticism is your best friend.
anyways…
I do think that this thread has gone askewed and just because JF has used 11T and now may, or may not be contemplating coming to the dark side…that we, as members of the steroid forum should be here to help him out along the way with answering some questions that he may have.
This all assuming JF does his research and doesn’t clutter everything up 
lol
DG
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I for one probably won’t buy 11T because I know I could get a grip of Test for that and well…
also JF I don’t see the results of your pics man, I’m sorry but sometimes honest criticism is your best friend.
anyways…
I do think that this thread has gone askewed and just because JF has used 11-T and now may, or may not be contemplating coming to the dark side…that we, as members of the steroid forum should be here to help him out along the way with answering some questions that he may have.
This all assuming JF does his research and doesn’t clutter everything up lol
DG
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I think by us telling him that there was 0 noticable results we are helping him.
No one here is trying to flame,just trying to point out that he may have “mirror muscles”
If thinking about AAS and more so an oral cycle this is not a good thing.need to be a bit more realistic about things here
Im sure you guys understand.
[quote]MaddyD wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I for one probably won’t buy 11T because I know I could get a grip of Test for that and well…
also JF I don’t see the results of your pics man, I’m sorry but sometimes honest criticism is your best friend.
anyways…
I do think that this thread has gone askewed and just because JF has used 11-T and now may, or may not be contemplating coming to the dark side…that we, as members of the steroid forum should be here to help him out along the way with answering some questions that he may have.
This all assuming JF does his research and doesn’t clutter everything up lol
DG
I think by us telling him that there was 0 noticable results we are helping him.
No one here is trying to flame,just trying to point out that he may have “mirror muscles”
If thinking about AAS and more so an oral cycle this is not a good thing.need to be a bit more realistic about things here
Im sure you guys understand.
[/quote]
I agree with you, and agree about the ‘mirror muscle’ thing.
I wasn’t talking to anybody in particular, but it just seemed he came on here with some questions that we answered but then went on to a few page write up on 11-T. lol thats all…
I agree with you tho.
DG