I’m going to be starting an Oral Turinabol-only cycle very shortly. I know a lot of people would suggest against this, but after doing a lot of reading and research, I think this is the right decision for me (at least for the time being).
I got enough to run two cycles, assuming I take 30mg/day for 7 weeks each cycle. I’m not exactly a huge guy (5’10", 150 lbs.), so I think this dosage is sufficient.
So, my questions are:
Is PCT really necessary? I’ve seen a lot of back and forth on the issue, since OT does not aromatize. If so, what would you recommend?
After the first cycle, how long should I wait until doing the second cycle? I know there’s a risk of liver problems associated with OT, so I want to take enough time off for my liver to recuperate. I’ll be taking milk thistle during the cycle, as well.
There are already two other threads here on the subject (“OT Cycle & Oral only cycle”)…I suggest you read them…People will ignore this post of yours because you have already shown you did not take the time to scan this forum before asking, this indicates you are not motivated enough to do your own research first, A Dam-Dam on you…Way to make a good first impression, Dude…(Cheezuz’!!!)
[quote]Blacksnake wrote: There are already two other threads here on the subject (“OT Cycle & Oral only cycle”)…I suggest you read them…People will ignore this post of yours because you have already shown you did not take the time to scan this forum before asking, this indicates you are not motivated enough to do your own research first, A Dam-Dam on you…Way to make a good first impression, Dude…(Cheezuz’!!!)[/quote]
Sorry. I actually did read the “Oral only cycle” thread. It did have a lot of great info it it, but neither of my questions were directly answered. I did see someone mention taking Nolvadex, but they didn’t specify how much/how long and, more importantly, WHY it would be necessary for an OT-only cycle. I see that there is another thread about OT that I missed (hey, you can’t catch them all) - I’ll read it, but I’m hoping someone can still help me out here.
[quote]BSL wrote:
Blacksnake wrote: There are already two other threads here on the subject (“OT Cycle & Oral only cycle”)…I suggest you read them…People will ignore this post of yours because you have already shown you did not take the time to scan this forum before asking, this indicates you are not motivated enough to do your own research first, A Dam-Dam on you…Way to make a good first impression, Dude…(Cheezuz’!!!)
Sorry. I actually did read the “Oral only cycle” thread. It did have a lot of great info it it, but neither of my questions were directly answered. I did see someone mention taking Nolvadex, but they didn’t specify how much/how long and, more importantly, WHY it would be necessary for an OT-only cycle. I see that there is another thread about OT that I missed (hey, you can’t catch them all) - I’ll read it, but I’m hoping someone can still help me out here.
Thanks.[/quote]
BSL, that was why I wanted you to check em’ out: Again - There is little to no solid information out there to answer your question as asked!…I assure you that these threads will be the ONLY place you will find even a smidgen of info regarding the subject…Read em’, consider em’ and move on to making your own decisions on what to do for PCT, etc…Man up and deal with it, this is an unpopular choice! You are proclaiming yourself as part of a discriminated minority group for simply asking the question, nobody is willing to hold your hand and guide you thru in this case, can’t you see that from the posts and responses? (again, Cheezus’, get a clue, Dude!)…
[quote]BSL wrote:
I got enough to run two cycles, assuming I take 30mg/day for 7 weeks each cycle. I’m not exactly a huge guy (5’10", 150 lbs.), so I think this dosage is sufficient.
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30mg ED is a wrong dose, it is very low.
I suggest to use at least 50mg ED
BTW, you are really “light weight”. How much is your bf%?
From the number you posted it seems like it is a little early to start using AAS…
it doesn’t aromatize but still it is suppressive… PCT is a MUST always.
As often said the PCT is based on nolvadex…
i think that after a couple of month from the end of the PCT should be ok.
However i am not a veteran so you should wait for their suggestions.
I also will be doing a OT only cycle here in the near future and here is how i am going to run mine.
50 mg/day for 6 weeks.
PCT
nolva 40/20/20
OT, as you have mentioned, is suppressive but not as suppressive as most of the other orals so you can do somewhat of a “light” PCT. One of the great things about OT is all of the studies that have been done. We have more documented info about this compound than any (i think?) of the other AAS. As for your second cycle, i would definitely wait about 6 months. some will say 3 months but 6 is a keep it safe level for me.
Another nice thing about OT is that it will put some quality mass on with very low to no water retention. Gains are often easy to hold on to. I am sure you know this as well.
Bottom line is dont let anyone shit on your plan because it is oral only. as RoidEnthusiast will echo, everyone has different goals with AAS and sometimes test or any other injectible just isnt in the cards. You will make good, keepable gains on OT.
On a side note, you should get a little bigger before you start AAS, 150 is not maxing out your genetic potential.
Though ive never done steroids, i do end up reading some of these threads and thought i would ask questions and post what i thought was correct. So feel free to correct me.
I am not going to do them anytime in the next few years, i can barely afford enough food to grow let alone the rest.
Why Turinabol only? I thought most steroids were most effective while stacked and that the gains made on low to moderate doses of single steroids were pretty lame. I understand the choice of steroid but the others arnt evil and supposedly can be manageable. Why not fork out a little bit more and guarantee you are doing it right? A little winny or mest?
Your asking why nolva for pct but id like to know why you think turin is will get you to your goals, at this dose? Others “testimonials”? Or are you just hoping? Not that there is anything wrong with that? I guess it depends on your goals. Id pick a weight, compare my dosage to other experience, then find out how much food i needed. If you can give us a goal i could compare to others reports.
Wouldnt it be a little safer to have a slightly aggressive pct method rather then one which might not work?
Are things like turinabol suppressive of sex drive? Hair loss? Finding tables of effects, side effects and how common they are seem to be hard to find. Did you find any?
Whatever you do, please post your experience. I would be interested in reading it. I think those critical of it would like to see it too. I think they would be less critical if you goal was reseaonable for the dose. Being Vague doesnt help.
Whatever you do, please post your experience. I would be interested in reading it. I think those critical of it would like to see it too. I think they would be less critical if you goal was reseaonable for the dose. Being Vague doesnt help.[/quote]
At 150 just taking up weights and eating every once in a while will be sufficient for substantial weight gain unless the guy has aids or some wasting disease.
Give him a placebo and if he doesn’t completely slack on diet and training then he should show a substantial gain. Him posting his experience won’t mean a whole lot to people past the raw beginer point as a result.
40-60mg ed should be good. Make sure to split your dosages throughout the day as the half life is around 6 hours. Run it around 5-7 weeks, and yes you need to do PCT. It doesn’t aromatize but it’s still suppressive. Nolvadex is the best choice. Run it at 20mg ed for 4 weeks. Dont set a time limit on PCT. Run PCT until you are sure that you have recovered. If you can’t get the nolva, then atleast run some otc test boosters. I recomend 6-OXO, Forza-t, TRIBEX, tribulus, retain, rebound xt. Hope that helped
[quote]BSL wrote:
I’m going to be starting an Oral Turinabol-only cycle very shortly. I know a lot of people would suggest against this, but after doing a lot of reading and research, I think this is the right decision for me (at least for the time being). [/quote]
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt in that I know nothing of your age, lifting experience, and diet…
…however, you are 70" in height and weigh all of 150lbs. If you can’t or are not able to gain some decent muscle, like say 20-30 lbs (minimum) naturally with food, supps and just ball breaking workouts then what makes you think you’ll be able to do it and keep it while on the sauce?
Honestly, I’m telling you from an objective standpoint…put some time in, learn how to train and add strength, size, etc. The payoff will be that you know how to reach your goals naturally and not just let the gear do the work for you. If and when you decide to use AAS then you’ve got a blueprint to work from because you’ve applied x,y,z method for the past x amount of time and know it works.
[quote]bigpappapump wrote:
40-60mg ed should be good. Make sure to split your dosages throughout the day as the half life is around 6 hours. Run it around 5-7 weeks, and yes you need to do PCT. It doesn’t aromatize but it’s still suppressive. Nolvadex is the best choice. Run it at 20mg ed for 4 weeks. Dont set a time limit on PCT. Run PCT until you are sure that you have recovered. If you can’t get the nolva, then atleast run some otc test boosters. I recomend 6-OXO, Forza-t, TRIBEX, tribulus, retain, rebound xt. Hope that helped[/quote]
Yes, that helped! In fact, it was one of the only posts that did. Honestly, I don’t know why some of you waste your time trying to convince others NOT to do what they’ve already put in their mind to do. If I wasn’t serious about this, I wouldn’t have purchased already.
[quote]BSL wrote:
Honestly, I don’t know why some of you waste your time trying to convince others NOT to do what they’ve already put in their mind to do. If I wasn’t serious about this, I wouldn’t have purchased already.
But again, thank you for the help.
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Because some of us are willing to offer advice knowing that if it were applied it would reap great results. Some of us have learned that delayed gratification pays off in the end.
This whole physical development thing is like building a house. a functional house has a solid base and you, do not, by the sounds of it. However, i don’t know your history. you could be an athlete for all i know who needs to stay at a certain weight looking to add some more strength, optimize your CNS, etc. etc.
I don’t have a problem with steroids what so ever. I think they are valuable tools. However, just as with programs and methods for training your body people advance. No newbie starts out training with Westside principles. they advance into it using different tools from the training methodology box as they progress.
All’s i am saying is for people to truly gain the benefits of the results of AAS they need to be at a certain level of development and YOU ARE NOT THERE!
They are trying to help you avoid a mistake. Make your own judgement and your own decision but they are trying to help.
[quote]BSL wrote:
bigpappapump wrote:
40-60mg ed should be good. Make sure to split your dosages throughout the day as the half life is around 6 hours. Run it around 5-7 weeks, and yes you need to do PCT. It doesn’t aromatize but it’s still suppressive. Nolvadex is the best choice. Run it at 20mg ed for 4 weeks. Dont set a time limit on PCT. Run PCT until you are sure that you have recovered. If you can’t get the nolva, then atleast run some otc test boosters. I recomend 6-OXO, Forza-t, TRIBEX, tribulus, retain, rebound xt. Hope that helped
Yes, that helped! In fact, it was one of the only posts that did. Honestly, I don’t know why some of you waste your time trying to convince others NOT to do what they’ve already put in their mind to do. If I wasn’t serious about this, I wouldn’t have purchased already.
[quote]bigpappapump wrote:
40-60mg ed should be good. Make sure to split your dosages throughout the day as the half life is around 6 hours. Run it around 5-7 weeks, and yes you need to do PCT. It doesn’t aromatize but it’s still suppressive. Nolvadex is the best choice. Run it at 20mg ed for 4 weeks. Dont set a time limit on PCT. Run PCT until you are sure that you have recovered. If you can’t get the nolva, then atleast run some otc test boosters. I recomend 6-OXO, Forza-t, TRIBEX, tribulus, retain, rebound xt. Hope that helped[/quote]
Direct and to the point, my kinda’ guy! Thanx’ 4 the opinion/info, BPP!
[quote]trailer36 wrote:
I also will be doing a OT only cycle here in the near future and here is how i am going to run mine…
Bottom line is dont let anyone shit on your plan because it is oral only… as RoidEnthusiast will echo, everyone has different goals with AAS…
you should get a little bigger before you start AAS, 150 is not maxing out your genetic potential.[/quote]
Straight ahead stuff, no punches pulled, thanx for trying to help, your knowledge is appreciated, T36…
[quote]bigpappapump wrote:
40-60mg ed should be good. Make sure to split your dosages throughout the day as the half life is around 6 hours. Run it around 5-7 weeks, and yes you need to do PCT. It doesn’t aromatize but it’s still suppressive. Nolvadex is the best choice. Run it at 20mg ed for 4 weeks. Dont set a time limit on PCT. Run PCT until you are sure that you have recovered. If you can’t get the nolva, then atleast run some otc test boosters. I recomend 6-OXO, Forza-t, TRIBEX, tribulus, retain, rebound xt. Hope that helped[/quote]
No one in the US has any excuse for not using legit PCT products. Real SERMs are easily available, just as quasi-legal as all these otc designer steroids floating around.