Sure, test is safer. But then you have people running a gram and more of test alone and that can be risky.
From what I have heard from people who trained around that time, the classic was test, deca and dbol. With dosages FAR below what people are using today. I am talking 300-400mg test per week dosages.
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I agree.
Not sure how far back we’re talking but ive heard the go to cycle was Dbol and Deca. There was no testosterone use until the 80s (think franco columbos gyno, RIP franco). After that we started seeing baldness, bloat etc. Not sure how true it is but makes sense.
The famous “handful of Dbol” quote also tells me the doses were much higher. Handful could be up to 20 pills or more, they were probably 5mg Naposims back then. @zeek1414
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I wonder how they controlled gyno? Not sure AI was widely used back then?
I can imagine a shit ton of dbol would cause problems, more so than test
Clearly they didnt. I guess after the use of testosterone became prevalent, came the discovery of AI’s by the bodybuilding community.
The classic ‘take a pill to cure the side effects of the other pill’.
Im not so sure, we see Dbol sides in the presence of testosterone, I’ve never used Dbol without it so I cannot comment.
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Yup iv read some stuff that made it seem like they were eating em like skittles.
Im not down playing the work those guys put in I’m sure they bust thier ass in the gym but the whole idea they didn’t use large doses etc is ridiculous. Obviously we have better drugs now that allow for bigger size but I doubt Arnold or any of them said to themselves na I won’t use anymore then a few hundred mgs because I don’t want to get any bigger. I’m sure they push the envelope just like guys now do with the drugs available to them at the time.
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The idea of small doses being the norm is laughable. Arnold isn’t on his second replacement valve because he was using 300 mg a week.
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If you had to take an educated guess, what do you think the dosages per week would be?
I think guys were running anywhere from 2 grams to 15. Not saying that’s smart. I am also positive the same results required less dose. Diminishing returns apply coupled with negative sides.
15 grams? God dam, you can’t be serious lol
Serious as a heart attack. I personally know someone that was doing 12 grams. The thinking has changed fairly radically in the last 10 years.
I saw an interview where a late 70’s early 80’s mass monster said he used to skip using syringes, and do IM injections with an IV bag. I don’t even know how that could possibly work. I think he had a device to squeeze the bag, and would get his shot over a few hours.
Think about it like this. They didn’t have the information we have now about harmful effects of gear use etc and long term studies.
So why stop at a gram or two? Why not pump as much gear into your body as it can handle? Shit guys do that now and know they are killing themselves.
Risky? In comparison to orals? First, if you are running over 750mg of test you better be a professional bodybuilder, otherwise you are abusing your body for no reason. Second, I’d rather be on a gram of test than a stack of a bunch of orals at high doses and go into liver failure.
I’ve done sub-q fluids on a cat that way. It was the wife’s cat of 20 or so years. It is weird. It was either take it in to the vet every day or i do it at home, and schedule wise a daily vet trip wasn’t going to happen. Just roll the bag up gently, not too much pressure or it makes a mess.
What kinda gains did the cat make?
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I added a couple of months to its life, and it had a pretty cool looking set of traps from the fluid for about an hour afterwards each time.
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