ORAC Factor: Over One Million

Diet and Nutrition
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So I was at work today, and suggested some Resveratrol to this guy - he was a very annoying type of customer who I can’t describe easily, but I was being as helpful as possible. He peeks over from the coconut oil he was holding and asked “what the ORAC factor was,” because, apparently, he had “something in the MILLIONS.”

Biotest’s Superfood is 5000 - what the hell could be in the “million,” or was he just a crackpot? I’m leaning towards the second.

Also, I was ringing someone up who was talking about how he wished he could get Metabolic Drive in stores so it was pretty cool to see someone else who shops with Biotest, totally unrelated though.

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Yeah, I figured as much. He said something about “super-concentrated essential oils,” but I just smiled and said of course and left him alone. After he left my managers briefed me on how we have a few customers who live in little bubbleworlds

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Google reveals concentrated clove oil having a pretty outrageous ORAC value but I don’t see the volume listed.

It says 10,700,000

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Clove oil is also toxic

It is considered safe in very small quantities (<1500 p.p.m.) as a food additive.[2] However, clove oil is toxic to human cells.[3] If ingested in sufficient quantity or injected, it has been shown to cause life-threatening complications, including acute respiratory distress syndrome, fulminant hepatic (liver) failure, and central nervous system depression; the lethal oral dose is 3.752 g per kg body weight

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[quote]Mr octurbo wrote:
Clove oil is also toxic

It is considered safe in very small quantities (<1500 p.p.m.) as a food additive.[2] However, clove oil is toxic to human cells.[3] If ingested in sufficient quantity or injected, it has been shown to cause life-threatening complications, including acute respiratory distress syndrome, fulminant hepatic (liver) failure, and central nervous system depression; the lethal oral dose is 3.752 g per kg body weight[/quote]

Must remember that when taking clove oil internally you have to dilute it - 2 or 3 drops in water then even chasing it with a hot liquid. Might want to read some more before cutting and pasting something from Wikipedia (no offense intended).

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[quote]Mutsanah wrote:

[quote]Mr octurbo wrote:
Clove oil is also toxic

It is considered safe in very small quantities (<1500 p.p.m.) as a food additive.[2] However, clove oil is toxic to human cells.[3] If ingested in sufficient quantity or injected, it has been shown to cause life-threatening complications, including acute respiratory distress syndrome, fulminant hepatic (liver) failure, and central nervous system depression; the lethal oral dose is 3.752 g per kg body weight[/quote]

Must remember that when taking clove oil internally you have to dilute it - 2 or 3 drops in water then even chasing it with a hot liquid. Might want to read some more before cutting and pasting something from Wikipedia (no offense intended).[/quote]

Fair call. And who takes offense over anything said on the internet.
Have a good one mate.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well given that 1 cup of blueberries has an ORAC rating of around 13000, you could just eat 100 cups and have 1.3million.

BBB[/quote]

Really? So I can skip the Superfood and just eat half a cup of blueberries?

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I’ll keep smoking clove cigarettes and enjoying great health! (sarcasm)

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well given that 1 cup of blueberries has an ORAC rating of around 13000, you could just eat 100 cups and have 1.3million.

BBB[/quote]

Really? So I can skip the Superfood and just eat half a cup of blueberries?[/quote]

Lol! Well don’t forget that superfood has a carefully selected variety of different anthocyanins, polyphenols, etc. that make it a more ‘rounded’ product than just the one type of anthocyanin found in bluberries.

The major benefit of the fruit is that it’s… tasty, ha.

Given a choice for an antioxidant I would use neither, but that’s only because I no longer think it best practice to supplement with lots of antiox on a regular basis, due to the downregulating effect on the bodies’ own antiox network.

Instead, I supplement with NAC, since that is the rate-limiting step in the bodies own production of its primary antioxidant - glutathione.

I’m not saying that I wouldn’t use superfood, if I could justify its cost at this financial point in time (once you factor in the shipping and duty to the UK). And I’m not saying that I don’t enjoy blueberries from time to time.

All I’m saying is that whilst I used to think antioxidant supplementation was a great thing, I no longer believe in it. Or rather, I appreciate its down sides and they may outweigh the upsides.

BBB[/quote]

I read about that, as well. Fucking science.

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[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
I’ll keep smoking clove cigarettes and enjoying great health! (sarcasm)[/quote]

Dude, don’t kid. They banned them in the US.

Black day.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
I’ll keep smoking clove cigarettes and enjoying great health! (sarcasm)[/quote]

Dude, don’t kid. They banned them in the US.

Black day.[/quote]

you can still buy them. they are labeled “cigars” now.

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[quote]duddy wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
I’ll keep smoking clove cigarettes and enjoying great health! (sarcasm)[/quote]

Dude, don’t kid. They banned them in the US.

Black day.[/quote]

you can still buy them. they are labeled “cigars” now.[/quote]

SRSLY!?

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well given that 1 cup of blueberries has an ORAC rating of around 13000, you could just eat 100 cups and have 1.3million.

BBB[/quote]

Really? So I can skip the Superfood and just eat half a cup of blueberries?[/quote]

Lol! Well don’t forget that superfood has a carefully selected variety of different anthocyanins, polyphenols, etc. that make it a more ‘rounded’ product than just the one type of anthocyanin found in bluberries.

The major benefit of the fruit is that it’s… tasty, ha.

Given a choice for an antioxidant I would use neither, but that’s only because I no longer think it best practice to supplement with lots of antiox on a regular basis, due to the downregulating effect on the bodies’ own antiox network.

Instead, I supplement with NAC, since that is the rate-limiting step in the bodies own production of its primary antioxidant - glutathione.

I’m not saying that I wouldn’t use superfood, if I could justify its cost at this financial point in time (once you factor in the shipping and duty to the UK). And I’m not saying that I don’t enjoy blueberries from time to time.

All I’m saying is that whilst I used to think antioxidant supplementation was a great thing, I no longer believe in it. Or rather, I appreciate its down sides and they may outweigh the upsides.

BBB[/quote]

I now must go back to the google and read more. SOB

Would that apply to the high doses of quercetin I’ve been taking the last month?

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[quote]duddy wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
I’ll keep smoking clove cigarettes and enjoying great health! (sarcasm)[/quote]

Dude, don’t kid. They banned them in the US.

Black day.[/quote]

you can still buy them. they are labeled “cigars” now.[/quote]
Sorry to get off topic, but when did this happen?

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[quote]Mouldsie wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well given that 1 cup of blueberries has an ORAC rating of around 13000, you could just eat 100 cups and have 1.3million.

BBB[/quote]

Really? So I can skip the Superfood and just eat half a cup of blueberries?[/quote]

Lol! Well don’t forget that superfood has a carefully selected variety of different anthocyanins, polyphenols, etc. that make it a more ‘rounded’ product than just the one type of anthocyanin found in bluberries.

The major benefit of the fruit is that it’s… tasty, ha.

Given a choice for an antioxidant I would use neither, but that’s only because I no longer think it best practice to supplement with lots of antiox on a regular basis, due to the downregulating effect on the bodies’ own antiox network.

Instead, I supplement with NAC, since that is the rate-limiting step in the bodies own production of its primary antioxidant - glutathione.

I’m not saying that I wouldn’t use superfood, if I could justify its cost at this financial point in time (once you factor in the shipping and duty to the UK). And I’m not saying that I don’t enjoy blueberries from time to time.

All I’m saying is that whilst I used to think antioxidant supplementation was a great thing, I no longer believe in it. Or rather, I appreciate its down sides and they may outweigh the upsides.

BBB[/quote]

I now must go back to the google and read more. SOB

Would that apply to the high doses of quercetin I’ve been taking the last month?[/quote]

I’ve been saying the same thing as BBB for a while now, but nobody listens to little ol BPT :wink: For the most part, I think that eating antioxidant rich foods is great if and only if a person is combating temporary excess oxidation from a particularly intense bout, or a person is recovering from an inflammatory condition, but even then I think that omega 3s and GLA are the best first line of defense.

@BBB: I like blueberries (for the taste) but also for the fact that the fiber contained in them has been shown to be an excellent prebiotic: “A combination of probiotics and blueberry husks or rye bran enhanced the anti-inflammatory effects compared with probiotics or dietary fibres alone. These combinations can be used as a preventive or therapeutic approach to dietary amelioration of intestinal inflammation.”

Blueberry husks, rye bran and multi-strain probiotics affect the severity of colitis induced by dextran sulphate sodium - PubMed (I’m not a big bran fan though)

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[quote]Evolv wrote:

[quote]duddy wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
I’ll keep smoking clove cigarettes and enjoying great health! (sarcasm)[/quote]

Dude, don’t kid. They banned them in the US.

Black day.[/quote]

you can still buy them. they are labeled “cigars” now.[/quote]
Sorry to get off topic, but when did this happen?[/quote]

Earlier this year, I believe.

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[quote]Fair call. And who takes offense over anything said on the internet.
[/quote]

Small ratio, only about every second or third person. (sarrrrr–cassssm)

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:

[quote]duddy wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
I’ll keep smoking clove cigarettes and enjoying great health! (sarcasm)[/quote]

Dude, don’t kid. They banned them in the US.

Black day.[/quote]

you can still buy them. they are labeled “cigars” now.[/quote]
Sorry to get off topic, but when did this happen?[/quote]

Earlier this year, I believe.[/quote]

whats so good bout somkin some clove?