Quality over quantity.
I will agree that squatting once a week probably won’t do it. But if you squat once a week for 60 min straight and that’s all you did. Believe me your squat is going to go up.
My apology, I missed one of the responses.
It can be done, but limiting muscle mass is going to limit results and 160 is a good weight for someone about 5"4 or under. Even then, this guy just started lifting so it’s logical to assume that he isn’t jacked. If he’s a flabby 160 then he could aim to maintain bodyweight while losing fat and gaining muscle (AKA recomping) which is quite feasible for someone new to lifting but will still require volume.
Not particularly. But I deal with rude, and legitimately moronic, people daily at work, so maybe I’m not the best person to weigh in on that. I’m pretty conditioned to brush shit off.
Do you give two shits about the opinion of someone who coaches elite powerlifters and bodybuilders and had competed in both sports himself? No disrespect to you, but I would take his opinion over yours any day. I try to learn from people who know more than myself, and Eric Helms is one of them.
No study can say that whatever you are doing can’t work, but it is obviously suboptimal. Suboptimal doesn’t mean no results, it just means more work for less results and slower results.
Cool Louie quote about studies:
If I have sixty-four 600 pound bench pressers, my book has 64 pages. If you have zero, your book has zero pages.
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OK, but how many guys has Louie coached that can bench 600 raw? A 600 multi-ply bench isn’t very impressive. Reed benched almost 600 in his first multi-ply meet. Josh Bryant quotes all sorts of studies and he has several guys benching in the 600’s raw, including the youngest lifter to bench over 600 (Peter Edgette).
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You should give more to them than me. No disrespect taken from that. I’m simply saying that most who study all of these studies and adjust their programs because of them rather than trying things themselves and seeing what happens tend to have worse results. Think about the 5 minute mile or the idea of running more than a marathon. Not too long ago, those feats were ungodly to think about. Now, there’s a race that’s 238 miles. And since that’s been done, now they’re talking of a potential 500 mile run. No coach can train anyone for that because they’ve never seen that. Studies would show no person could run that long not too long ago. Personal experience is going to trump studies in most training circumstances in my opinion.
But Josh Bryant has benched in that ballpark as well. He was an extremely successful athlete. He can pull from studies and shit on others because he’s paid his dues and actually lifted at an elite level.
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Going back to the MOAB, Joe Rogan had the chick on who won the 238 race and she says she eats nachos and beer a lot, was eating candy the whole podcast, doesn’t lift at all really, and doesn’t train ungodly hard and she still managed to beat the 2nd place person by 10 hours. The distance was around 23 miles behind her. Maybe eating better and such would help her, but she’s so far ahead of the competition that who really cares if it would or not.
Josh Bryant is cool. It was his opinion about paired sets/training fast being better if it wasn’t worse that I copied! In “Built to the Hilt” he said he formed this opinion by looking at a couple of studies.
Rather than argue with a smart guy with a 600 pound bench, who coaches 600 pound benchers, who reads studies, I just started doing what he said.
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If I was running those distance, I’d probably do all the above as well (depending on what “a lot” means, especially with alcohol). I’m not sure if this is a for or against argument?
I absolutely agree with that. But that doesn’t mean that the studies are worthless, one study in isolation doesn’t prove anything more than one lifter who trains in an unorthodox fashion. When you have several studies with the same conclusion then you start to see a pattern, and when other coaches and lifters have used that information in their training with success then it is likely that the studies are correct.
What he himself has accomplished is of little relevance when you consider the results his lifters have gotten with his training. What are Boris Sheiko’s best lifts?
That’s pretty much what I was thinking. Look a Michael Phelps, the guy was eating some ridiculous amount of calories. Not all sports have the same nutritional requirements. I don’t know a lot about training for long distance running, but I know that marathon runners don’t run marathons in their training.
Complex training means pairing exercises of two opposing muscle groups.
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Complex training is an effective means of cutting down time in the gym and continually making gains. It is important to note most advanced strength athletes do not train this way. The subjects were not competitive lifters.
Bryant, Josh. Bench Press: The Science (p. 113). BookBaby. Kindle Edition.
I you look at the lifters Sheiko has produced, they were the genetic elite that trained under him. The programs were never supposed to get out thus they never were named.
I never said the studies were useless. I just don’t care for reading majority of them. I didn’t say they were shit, I just don’t give a shit about most of them.
To go off of Courtney, she didn’t start out being an amazing runner. She has always eaten shit and slept poorly though. I don’t know about Phelps. Just like I don’t know about most people. But I do know that the idea of eating super clean all the time, sleeping 10 hours a day and training for 3 hours a day with no stress is impossible for most.
@ 181 BW a 612 raw deadlift is Int’l elite status
*edit (sourced from USPA)
I did it early on in my lifting life. 2 days of squatting a week one work set plus one pause set and leg curls. My 5 RM went from 225 to 405 in 4 months. So it is possible.
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People have all kinds of misconceptions about this. The numbered programs were from his book (which is yet to be translated from Russian) and are samples, just like the 4 day program you can find on his site. 3 day programs are supposed to be for novice lifters. Sheiko has trained all sorts of people, anyone can hire him as a coach (check his website) if they can pay the money and he can take more clients. There is also a Sheiko cellphone app with programs for lifters of different levels and with varying amounts of volume. If there was ever a time that Sheiko only worked with the “genetic elite” it would be when he was a weightlifting coach for the Soviet Union.
That’s not a very constructive approach.
You should be squatting 1000 by now, what happened?
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Have you guys seen Max Aita’s Sheiko review?
Max is like a hipster contrarion, so he always gets me thinking.