This seems impossible if the other party has skin that resembles gas station toilet paper though.
FWIW you usually give good and helpful advice especially to beginners and you don’t seem like a bad guy from what I’ve seen. I just don’t get why disagreement comes across as a personal attack to you at all times.
OK, I never disputed that. But why would anyone want to train in a suboptimal manner if they don’t have to? If the OP or whoever just doesn’t have enough time to train for more than 45-60 minutes then I understand and I would give different advice. He said:
If it’s nothing more than personal preference then I would advise not training like that. My personal preference is to make progress.
Because it is a personal attack
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That doesn’t sound rude to you? I just don’t see why I should have to sit there while people say shit like that, I wouldn’t put up with it in real life so I won’t put up with it online either. @oldbeancam is disagreeing with me here too, but he’s not acting rude so I have no problem with that, we can have a civilized discussion and agree to disagree.
But it’s going to be impossible to increase frequency without increasing time, unless you really rush things and that is going to present other problems. The most time-efficient option would be an upper/lower split because you don’t need to do much warming up after the first lift, but once he gets stronger it will be very difficult to do more than a couple work sets in under an hour.
You’re a real piece of shit. Aside from trying to insult me repeatedly, you have added nothing here except the fact that you have been able to achieve a mediocre deadlift with minimal (but frequent) training.
It isn’t though. At first, maybe, but you can build work capacity up fast as fuck if you are willing to work. I don’t have a session that lasts longer than an hour. If you look at my session I posted I did fronts squats, deads, RDLs, ham curl, reverse hypers, split squats an wheel and cable rows. That’s 8 lifts in an hour. I’m not the strongest guy in the world, but still. It does have benefit. On strength and conditioning.
Also, I was never saying it was sub optimal either. It’s hard to say what is optimal vs not. I was saying that I wasn’t stating it was optimal over what you are suggesting. For me it is. I e gained more strength and gotten bigger along with better conditioning training this way.
I wouldn’t say an easy looking 600 is mediocre though.
Guy A: “You talk like a know-it-all.”
Guy B: “You’re a piece of shit.”
Dude, which of those is an insult? Seriously, lighten up. You’ve been sensitive with different people the last few months.
In an effort to keep the thread somewhat on track, volume isn’t the most important factor for building strength. If you (general you, not ottawa-you) don’t know how to get an effective workout within certain parameters (limited training time, limited equipment, etc.), then you need to learn more about how to program.
“If I had very little time to train, I’d do this. Sometimes, when you’re struggling to find time to train, you think you can’t make progress. With this type of training, you will.” - Jim Wendler, describing the “I’m Not Doing Jack Shit” plan in 5/3/1 where you do the day’s main lift and nothing else.
From Eric Helms’ book “The Muscle and Strenght Pyramid: Training”:
" In a paper recently accepted by the Journal of strength and conditioning research, schoenfeld and colleagues found that resistance trained males gained more muscle mass and strength after training using 3 minute rest periods compared to 1 minute (schoenfeld et al., in review). as a final point, this does not mean longer rest periods are superior per se, rather this means that rest periods that are too short to allow adequate inter-set recovery can cause problems. "
“As we previously stated, only one study [18] has ever shown the superiority of shorter rest periods for hypertrophy, and this is more than likely due to what i would argue is a study design issue. while on the other hand, the majority of studies show either no difference [24, 25] or the superiority of longer rest periods [10] for muscle growth, which was recently confirmed in a study by schoenfeld and colleagues (schoenfeld et al., in review).”
And obviously this guy needs hypertrophy, that can’t be disputed. The only situation in which I can see short rest periods being useful (unless you just don’t have enough time) is some form of cluster set training, like speed work for example, and that will involve staying far from failure. If that is how you like to train or you are training for strength and endurance at the same time (like strongman training or something similar) then there’s nothing wrong with that, and you should still be able to make gains in muscle and strength but it is most likely going to be less than if you had given yourself more time to recover between sets.
By powerlifting standards it is, unless you are about 160 or under. And no, I never claimed to be anything more than mediocre myself but I plan to get better.
Opinion I copied from a strong dude who coaches other strong dudes;
If training faster isn’t worse than training slow, its better. If you get the same results in less time, it’s still the same results, but it’s better because you’re finished faster.
I don’t deny that I was insulting the guy, but I’m also not the one jumping into threads for the sole purpose of insulting people and starting arguments. And looking at this thread, only one other person has actually offered any advice.
It’s true that volume isn’t the most important factor for strength, intensity is more important. But volume is the most important factor for hypertrophy, and at 160lbs. you can be sure that the OP would benefit from some of that.
Literally both guys who posted before you gave advice, and then it got sidetracked.
Flag on the play. Penalty. Moving the goal posts. The guy wanted to “get into powerlifting with short and simple workouts.” That can be done. Should he gain weight? Maybe/probably. Depends on his height and bodyfat though, don’t you think?
I honestly don’t give two shits about studies. Every time I see people post them I hardly ever read them.
EDIT: Studies do have their place, but A lot of them have problems. I work 40+ hours a week, am a full time student, eat terribly most of the time because I work on the road, sleep around 4-6 hours a day, only eat 100 grams of protein most of the time and still gain muscle and strength. Studies say that doesn’t work.
If you do assistance exercises in “paired sets” or “circuits” or “complexes” you can rest one muscle group while you work another muscle group. Then take a short rest and start over.
So you can easily get 2-3 minutes of rest between each set for a body part, but you still get to train fast and dense with no standing around. Benefits of Rest and No Rest at the same time!
It’s like cheating! It’s awesome.
Agreed, but activities isn’t a powerlifter and never claimed to be. He’s a normal guy with a job and a life that pulls 600. And it looks easy. That’s far from mediocre in his spectrum. If he decided to go into powerlifting, he’d plan to get better. There you guys are one in the same.
Whomever (Dr?) Schoenfeld is, that dude does tons of studies. Every time I see his name I think of 2 time Americas Strongest Man, Big Schoonie.
At first, I super admired Schoonveld for being a strongman and a scientist.
Against my better judgement:
I came in with the intention of offering advice, or at least what I considered a useful piece of information, namely that I found it possible to gain a significant amount of strength beyond “noob” status without the need for prolonged sessions, and that it was not an absolute necessity to train longer than 45-60 minutes (especially at the novice stage). Thus, the “sole purpose” of my presence in this thread was not to insult you.
I appreciate the compliment, and would have thought that (competitive powerlifter or not) some shared experience from “the process of getting stronger” would be welcomed or at least seen as semi-relevant anecdotes for the OP, a self-proclaimed novice lifter with an expressed preference for shorter workouts, but perhaps not.
