[quote]Alffi wrote:
From my experience, a lot of people who do that stuff are pretty arrogant and delusional. I think it’s good for learning aggressive retaliation and very basic survival skills but it eventually gets old if one wants to move up in skill level. I would compare it to women’s self-defence courses or the stuff every male conscript gets taught in various countries. Hand-to-hand combat does not have much relevance in modern warfare and the training is short and basic, and that’s what these ‘realistic’ systems are based on.
When questioned about effectiveness, everything eventually comes up to the “too deadly for the ring” thing and there are no statistics about this or that art “on the street” so it’s impossible to refute it being ineffective either.
I’ve never heard of anyone managing to hit a moving person square in the eye and the cases of real life throat chops are few as well; movie stuff mostly. Some of this ‘illegal in the ring’ stuff happens regularly in boxing yet it does not stop the man, not always anyway. Another thing the ‘realist street fighting AKA. kick in the balls’ crowd cannot answer is how come all the traditional arts like karate, japanese jiu-jitsu, hapkido, taekwondo, american kempo or pretty much any style that is not bound by the rules is NOT based on simplistic nut kicking and eye gouges? [/quote]
I think a lack of experience in actually training in one of these “realistic” arts is where the skewed opinions and generalizations come from. I will speak for Krav Maga and where I train. The style is using techniques from Boxing, Muay Thai, Karate, Judo, Jujitsu and other arts. It is not something they just made up, It is a really well thought out system for the most part.
You are taught to look for open targets to employ your weapons on in a given situation(s) You would be suprised how many time peopld don’t protect their groin and it is a very effective strike in stopping your opponent or pausing him long enough to get away. If you trained Krav you would know that you spend lots of time on boxing how to punch with power and accuracy not haymakers or pissed off monkey looking shit. Same with Kicks It is fundamental based and builds from there to advanced techniques.
On the same note I trained in Tang Soo Do as a child I also live in Japan for 10 years 7 of which were on Okinawa where I trained Uechi Ryu and dabbled with GoJu Ryu, Shori Ryu and others. They most certainly do teach Kicking to the “Balls” Uechi Ryu kicks with the point of the big toe and will stick that toe in the hole where you balls hang out of.
Also GoJu Ryu teaches a way to “suck” or pull your balls in side your body to protect them so there must be a reason for that and I think it is because everybody kicks to the fucking balls so defend it or get taken out.
Another reason normal martial arts suck for real figting is that there is way way to much time put into the forms and looking a certain way and the art of it instead of working on movements that will work in combat. Look at any Karate guy and it will be hard to tell what kata he is using in a fight because it goes out the window.
You can pick up on stylistic cues but that is aobut it. This is where something like Krav Maga takes the things that work and teaches you to use them under stress and with power and explosiveness…and Extreme Prejudice.