Open Carry Law

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[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I think that this open carry and even some of the relaxed concealed carry stuff has the potential to set back gun rights. The first time you get someone go all John Wayne trying to stop a shoplifter and people get caught in the crossfire things are going to crash hard.[/quote]

I have to disagree with this. If anything open carry will improve gun rights, most people i have met who fear guns are motivated more out of ignorance anything. One of the major issues facing gun rights is the Media created dichotomy that if you carry a gun you must either be a cop or a criminal. If people start seeing average people such as their kids teacher, mailman, pastor, the cashier at the grocery store etc… carrying a gun it may very will help to eliminate the idea that individuals can exercise their rights lawfully without incident or being an agent of the state.

As far as the people going John Wayne, if it would happen with an open carrier it would happen with someone carrying concealed under the old law. [/quote]

It goes to show you how far we’ve come as to our immaturity with weapons in this country. MLK, demanded that any protest he be part of be non-violent/civil disobedience…man never left home without being armed…member of the NRA.

I don’t think people quite understand non-violence anymore.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
This is also true. The media storm that blew up around it however caused an definite spike in open carry activity amongst known dumbasses. They will get tired of it eventually and quit as it is more a reason to buy a new toy and show it off. With most of them I don’t think carrying will become part of their everyday routine as they are choosing to open carry giant ass wheel guns that would annoy almost anyone. [/quote]

Some people are obnoxious about it. I like carrying my lil .40 SW M&P. Barely even feel it.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

…I don’t think saying that some of these people having constant access to a gun concerns me is unreasonable.

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And yet you avoid my numerous posts pointing out that this concern has not caused problems in other open carry states.

Why have you continually avoided responding in that regard?[/quote]

Let me ask you this, in most open state are the open carry laws in rural areas? I know a lot of major cities in open carry states pass their own laws making open carry illegal.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TomFoolery wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

…I don’t think saying that some of these people having constant access to a gun concerns me is unreasonable.

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And yet you avoid my numerous posts pointing out that this concern has not caused problems in other open carry states.

Why have you continually avoided responding in that regard?[/quote]

Let me ask you this, in most open state are the open carry laws in rural areas? I know a lot of major cities in open carry states pass their own laws making open carry illegal.
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Let’s see, Tom. Let’s examine the major cities in the ten “friendliest” open carry states, the ones I listed earlier in this thread:

Montana - no restrictions in any major city or minor one for that matter

Idaho - Boise - no restrictions

Wyoming - Casper and Cheyenne - no restrictions

Nevada - Las Vegas - no restrictions http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/apr/07/nevadans-are-free-don-their-arms-open/

Arizona - Phoenix - no restrictions

Alaska - Anchorage - no restrictions

New Mexico - Albuquerque - no restrictions

South Dakota - Sioux Falls - no restrictions

Kentucky - Louisville - no restrictions

Virginia - all major cities - no restrictions except magazines cannot hold more than 20 rounds

North Carolina - Charlotte - no restrictions

Vermont - all major cities - no restrictions

(* when I say “no restrictions” I obviously am not talking about the restrictions that some cities and states have when it comes to government buildings, bars and private businesses that are afforded the right to ban weapons on their premises)

So Tom…tell me again how you “know a lot of major cities in open carry states pass their own laws making open carry illegal.”[/quote]

Georgia is an open carry state.

The laws in Nevada are more complicated and convoluted than one would think. A marine at a Costco was shot, by the police there last year because he was openly carrying.
The story goes, someone tweaked and call the cops because this guy had a gun. He was legal and licensed to have it. But 3 police showed up issued him 3 different directions simultaneously, he was trying to follow their directions, but because one of them was for him to get his gun and put it down, the other cop opened fire and killed him.
Not only that, but until recently, you had to get a license for the specific gun you had. Now they opened it up to revolver licenses or pistol licenses. But technically, if you are licensed, you can carry open, technically.
Honestly, it’s not the town I would do it in. That’s the kind of place where your average meth head would go for your gun, just cause.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
This is also true. The media storm that blew up around it however caused an definite spike in open carry activity amongst known dumbasses. They will get tired of it eventually and quit as it is more a reason to buy a new toy and show it off. With most of them I don’t think carrying will become part of their everyday routine as they are choosing to open carry giant ass wheel guns that would annoy almost anyone. [/quote]

Some people are obnoxious about it. I like carrying my lil .40 SW M&P. Barely even feel it.[/quote]

I carry a little Ruger LC9 most of time. It’s super easy to conceal and it’s actually a really good gun.
I want to get a proper holster for my big axe. The Crossbreeds look really nice and for that gun, it needs to be secured well. It’s going to be my winter carry option.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m going to try this again: JB and OldOgre, please show me how open carry in the other open carry states which I showed in the map way back yonder ^ has resulted in the mayhem that you two anticipate in MS and AL.

If you cannot do so then please point out what is different about MS and AL that will surely cause your predictions to come true.

Please reply.[/quote]

I have not been on here in a while and I have not read all of the posts but I did notice that in a previous post you agreed with my point that Alabamas new OC law was unnecessary. I still believe that this is a situation of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”. I never said there would be mayhem. I never claimed there would be mass shootings. I said it was a disaster waiting to happen and I stand by that opinion. As I stated before that disaster could very well be WalMart or Target getting pissed and getting the Feds involved. I am not going to research all of the cities and States on your f-ing map to support my opinion.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m going to try this again: JB and OldOgre, please show me how open carry in the other open carry states which I showed in the map way back yonder ^ has resulted in the mayhem that you two anticipate in MS and AL.

If you cannot do so then please point out what is different about MS and AL that will surely cause your predictions to come true.

Please reply.[/quote]

Answered already. Multiple times. You even quoted the answer. Matter of probability. More people with guns (including all the states that already open carry)/percentage of those people will be idiots/recent publicity means for the first little higher percentage of idiots than will ultimately be/ higher likelihood that idiot encounters situation where his being an idiot causes a serious situation. I have really said nothing about MS or AL being any worse than any other, only that they merely increased the sheer number of open carriers thereby increasing the probability that a situation will arise where something stupid happens. Also with it being new and over publicized, we probably do have a higher percentage of idiots open carrying than most places that have had it a while.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]OldOgre wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m going to try this again: JB and OldOgre, please show me how open carry in the other open carry states which I showed in the map way back yonder ^ has resulted in the mayhem that you two anticipate in MS and AL.

If you cannot do so then please point out what is different about MS and AL that will surely cause your predictions to come true.

Please reply.[/quote]

I have not been on here in a while and I have not read all of the posts but I did notice that in a previous post you agreed with my point that Alabamas new OC law was unnecessary.

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“Should be unnecessary” is what I said or surely meant to say.

But that predicted disaster has NOT happened in the other states. When are you going to get that through your Ogrish head? Why will it happen in Alabama?

You are choosing to focus on these two states. He didn’t say that it will happen in MS or AL. We are just two more states added to the pool of places where the potential disaster might occur. All those other states are in the same pool that we are.

The more a population grows the more likely the unlikely becomes. That is just a realist view of the whole situation.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]OldOgre wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m going to try this again: JB and OldOgre, please show me how open carry in the other open carry states which I showed in the map way back yonder ^ has resulted in the mayhem that you two anticipate in MS and AL.

If you cannot do so then please point out what is different about MS and AL that will surely cause your predictions to come true.

Please reply.[/quote]

I have not been on here in a while and I have not read all of the posts but I did notice that in a previous post you agreed with my point that Alabamas new OC law was unnecessary.

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“Should be unnecessary” is what I said or surely meant to say.

But that predicted disaster has NOT happened in the other states. When are you going to get that through your Ogrish head? Why will it happen in Alabama?

You are choosing to focus on these two states. He didn’t say that it will happen in MS or AL. We are just two more states added to the pool of places where the potential disaster might occur. All those other states are in the same pool that we are.

The more a population grows the more likely the unlikely becomes. That is just a realist view of the whole situation.[/quote]

You seem like an educated guy. Do you really need to be presented with “research” to understand why I am concerned that my State’s gun laws MAY come under federal attack in the future? If you really do need to know why that concerns me take a look at the use of the Commerce Clause by the federal courts in the past. Then take a look at the current make up of our Supreme Court. I fear that the retirement of Antonin Scalia or Clarence Thomas is all that stands between us and another long run of liberal decisions expanding the power of the federal govt. When and IF the feds come after our guns they will use Commerce Clause litigation to start it up. It is my OPINION that my State’s new gun law opens the door to that possibility by making it legal for the general public to openly carry a holstered pistol into WalMart, Target, Publix, and other places of business. Please note: I did not say that it WILL happen or that it HAS already happened in any other jurisdiction. My opinion is just that, an opinion, I am not stating it as fact. I understand that it is legal to OC in places of business in Montana, North Carolina, and other states and I understand that there has been no litigation along those lines in those States. At least not yet. I am merely stating my opinion that this has POSSIBLY opened a door to allow a liberal federal court to make bad law.

If you need to see some research, here you go: This is a map that I randomly selected off of the internet to bolster my position. Much like your map, there is no mention of where it came from or if the information depicted on it is valid or not. So, you should like it:

The States in white are States in which the Federal Court system has used Commerce Clause decisions to stick their nose into matters that it does not belong in:

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Also, if you are going to call names in an attempt to insult me, please note that I am not insulted by being called a pseudo-gynecologist. A gynecologist is a doctor who specializes in inspecting vaginas. That actually sounds more fun than insulting.