[quote]Scott M wrote:
Professor X wrote:
There are four whole pages of this shit?
It should have ended right after your first post but some people need it explained 18 different ways and have it pounded into their head over and over again till it “clicks” at least somewhat.
“Hmmm all these guys who have 20-60 lbs of LBM more than me are saying this… maybe I should reconsider my ways” lol
Now let’s argue some more about how to get college chicks in bed. [/quote]
The funny thing in this thread is that all of the people arguing for short cut/bulk cycles are the little guys…
I think we all can agree that bulking for 4 weeks then cutting 2 is a dumb idea. No shit, that will have you running in circles.
I also agree that slowly building weight by tweaking your diet as sugguested is prob. the best and fastest way to get big provided you have the strong willpower to stick to it and the knowledge to adjust things to work.
I cant believe some of you guys shit bricks every time somebody comes along with an idea that you dont agree with. I would hate to have to work along side some of yall.
It would be fine to put in your 2 cents and offer some help or talk from experience, but namecalling dosent really do ANY good especially over the net. Lets act like adults here please.
As for getting college girls in bed, just slip a couple mickeys in there and say the hell with it.
I cant believe some of you guys shit bricks every time somebody comes along with an idea that you dont agree with. I would hate to have to work along side some of yall. It would be fine to put in your 2 cents and offer some help or talk from experience, but namecalling dosent really do ANY good especially over the net. Lets act like adults here please.
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In our defense, we have to put up with a lot of retarded people who seem to think they know better :shrug: when in reality they’ve read one too many articles on bulking.
[quote]elano wrote:
I cant believe some of you guys shit bricks every time somebody comes along with an idea that you dont agree with. I would hate to have to work along side some of yall.
It would be fine to put in your 2 cents and offer some help or talk from experience, but namecalling dosent really do ANY good especially over the net. Lets act like adults here please.
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If you had heard the same tired arguments from countless 150 lb “experts” spouting off about how such and such article or author says that bulking is bad, and you’d spent the time to actually try to get through to them and help them, only to have someone else come along and make you do it all over again, I bet you’d get annoyed with the topic yourself.
I can’t even imagine how annoyed someone like Prof X must be about the whole “short bulking/cutting phases” topic by this point.
Yes, some people have been more harsh with you than others, but chances are they’ve already spent the time to explain the process in other threads (quite possibly A LOT of other threads) and are just tired of having to repeat themselves. Don’t take it personally.
I don’t believe that in a months period you can gain much weight in muscle mass so why cut. Only after a good year should cutting even be in your vocabulary or considered if you want to “bulk”.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
elano wrote:
I cant believe some of you guys shit bricks every time somebody comes along with an idea that you dont agree with. I would hate to have to work along side some of yall.
It would be fine to put in your 2 cents and offer some help or talk from experience, but namecalling dosent really do ANY good especially over the net. Lets act like adults here please.
If you had heard the same tired arguments from countless 150 lb “experts” spouting off about how such and such article or author says that bulking is bad, and you’d spent the time to actually try to get through to them and help them, only to have someone else come along and make you do it all over again, I bet you’d get annoyed with the topic yourself.
I can’t even imagine how annoyed someone like Prof X must be about the whole “short bulking/cutting phases” topic by this point.
Yes, some people have been more harsh with you than others, but chances are they’ve already spent the time to explain the process in other threads (quite possibly A LOT of other threads) and are just tired of having to repeat themselves. Don’t take it personally. [/quote]
In addition to the fact that a lot of these people are probably very tired of newbies who havent done anything yet telling them what works and what doesnt.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
elano wrote:
I cant believe some of you guys shit bricks every time somebody comes along with an idea that you dont agree with. I would hate to have to work along side some of yall.
It would be fine to put in your 2 cents and offer some help or talk from experience, but namecalling dosent really do ANY good especially over the net. Lets act like adults here please.
If you had heard the same tired arguments from countless 150 lb “experts” spouting off about how such and such article or author says that bulking is bad, and you’d spent the time to actually try to get through to them and help them, only to have someone else come along and make you do it all over again, I bet you’d get annoyed with the topic yourself.
I can’t even imagine how annoyed someone like Prof X must be about the whole “short bulking/cutting phases” topic by this point.
Yes, some people have been more harsh with you than others, but chances are they’ve already spent the time to explain the process in other threads (quite possibly A LOT of other threads) and are just tired of having to repeat themselves. Don’t take it personally. [/quote]
So… umm… like… what if I, were to say, ya know cut for six weeks and then bulk for two… ya know, repeating this cycle forever? Do you think, like, I’d have super hawt abz and college chicks would like, ya know, want to fuck me… and stuff?
it astounds me how much shitty flex magazine, protein shake lable bullshit is on some of these forums.
firstly, if it even enters your mind that you should be cutting after a month, you are eating way too much. i think it is the most over stated thing in bodybuilding and sport that one needs to eat an absurd amount of food inorder to get big. at the end of the day muscle growth is a result of the work that it does, hence focus on increasing the work done ie: the weight!!! now if this means you absolutley must eat 5000 kcals a day then by all means do so however i have not met an athlete who needs to do that to gain size. the only people who need to do that are my cyclists and rowers. do you know why??? because they burn a fuck load of energy.
too many body builders focus on scales and numbers. body mass is possibly the least accurate indication of any type of performance, size, strength or composition you can use. the one and only thing which reigns true when it comes to increasing mass, is increasing strength through strength training.
if i could give you any advice it would be forget this bulking/cutting crap whch flex and all expert magazine readers preach. focus on performance periodisation rather than number periodisation. at the most basic level one could say, focus on strength gain for two months: low reps, basic lifts (olympic/ performance lifts included) short sharp high intensity training (intensity meaning load). then whilst maintaining the strength gains use more hypertrophy rep ranges and volume for two months and possibly impliment some advanced training techniques ie dropsets, supersets. and the have an active rest period of at least two weeks. in two weeks one should not lose strength at all and it will give the body time to heal and the mind to reasess before begining again. remember that one only needs to eat enough to maintain the desired level of intensity in the chosen activity, and most of this revolves around carb regulation pre and post activity. protein: no need for any more than 1.2- to 1.7g/kg/ body mass even for the most hardcore strength trainer. the only time you will need more is if you are on steroids as this increases protein synthesis.
please change your focus from numbers on scales to performance in the gym. you will reap the benefits buy not buying into the garbage that they print to sell copies of mags.
[quote]dlonra wrote:
now if this means you absolutley must eat 5000 kcals a day then by all means do so however i have not met an athlete who needs to do that to gain size. the only people who need to do that are my cyclists and rowers. do you know why??? because they burn a fuck load of energy.
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What are you basing this off of?
I have had my RMR tested and done tons of RMR tests myself. It is not unheard of for someone who is moderately active to need 4500 calories in order to grow (myself included).
I burn 2220 calories at rest, doing nothing. Add in work schedule and a moderate amount of hard exercise and that figure will quickly add up, then you need an additional 500-1000 calories a day to grow on.
[quote]dlonra wrote:
it astounds me how much shitty flex magazine, protein shake lable bullshit is on some of these forums.
firstly, if it even enters your mind that you should be cutting after a month, you are eating way too much. i think it is the most over stated thing in bodybuilding and sport that one needs to eat an absurd amount of food inorder to get big. at the end of the day muscle growth is a result of the work that it does, hence focus on increasing the work done ie: the weight!!! now if this means you absolutley must eat 5000 kcals a day then by all means do so however i have not met an athlete who needs to do that to gain size. the only people who need to do that are my cyclists and rowers. do you know why??? because they burn a fuck load of energy.
too many body builders focus on scales and numbers. body mass is possibly the least accurate indication of any type of performance, size, strength or composition you can use. the one and only thing which reigns true when it comes to increasing mass, is increasing strength through strength training.
if i could give you any advice it would be forget this bulking/cutting crap whch flex and all expert magazine readers preach. focus on performance periodisation rather than number periodisation. at the most basic level one could say, focus on strength gain for two months: low reps, basic lifts (olympic/ performance lifts included) short sharp high intensity training (intensity meaning load). then whilst maintaining the strength gains use more hypertrophy rep ranges and volume for two months and possibly impliment some advanced training techniques ie dropsets, supersets. and the have an active rest period of at least two weeks. in two weeks one should not lose strength at all and it will give the body time to heal and the mind to reasess before begining again. remember that one only needs to eat enough to maintain the desired level of intensity in the chosen activity, and most of this revolves around carb regulation pre and post activity. protein: no need for any more than 1.2- to 1.7g/kg/ body mass even for the most hardcore strength trainer. the only time you will need more is if you are on steroids as this increases protein synthesis.
please change your focus from numbers on scales to performance in the gym. you will reap the benefits buy not buying into the garbage that they print to sell copies of mags. [/quote]
Biggest load of shit I’ve ever read. The fact that yuou claim 5000 calories to be unnecesary to anyone but endurance athletes just goes to show you are either very scrawny or have not met anyone that has any reasonable size on them.
You eat enough food to GROW. Not ‘just enough to maintain intensity’.
I just love how people say you don’t need more than x.xx/kg of protein.
Well, if I took in such low quantities as some say, what the hell would make up my other 4,000 calories a day?
that would be a ton of carbs and fat, and if anything, I’d rather overeat protein a little beyond my body’s ability to utilize it than carbs (not that I limit carbs either, just saying)
[quote]dlonra wrote:
it astounds me how much shitty flex magazine, protein shake lable bullshit is on some of these forums.
firstly, if it even enters your mind that you should be cutting after a month, you are eating way too much. i think it is the most over stated thing in bodybuilding and sport that one needs to eat an absurd amount of food inorder to get big. at the end of the day muscle growth is a result of the work that it does, hence focus on increasing the work done ie: the weight!!! now if this means you absolutley must eat 5000 kcals a day then by all means do so however i have not met an athlete who needs to do that to gain size. the only people who need to do that are my cyclists and rowers. do you know why??? because they burn a fuck load of energy.
too many body builders focus on scales and numbers. body mass is possibly the least accurate indication of any type of performance, size, strength or composition you can use. the one and only thing which reigns true when it comes to increasing mass, is increasing strength through strength training.
if i could give you any advice it would be forget this bulking/cutting crap whch flex and all expert magazine readers preach. focus on performance periodisation rather than number periodisation. at the most basic level one could say, focus on strength gain for two months: low reps, basic lifts (olympic/ performance lifts included) short sharp high intensity training (intensity meaning load). then whilst maintaining the strength gains use more hypertrophy rep ranges and volume for two months and possibly impliment some advanced training techniques ie dropsets, supersets. and the have an active rest period of at least two weeks. in two weeks one should not lose strength at all and it will give the body time to heal and the mind to reasess before begining again. remember that one only needs to eat enough to maintain the desired level of intensity in the chosen activity, and most of this revolves around carb regulation pre and post activity. protein: no need for any more than 1.2- to 1.7g/kg/ body mass even for the most hardcore strength trainer. the only time you will need more is if you are on steroids as this increases protein synthesis.
please change your focus from numbers on scales to performance in the gym. you will reap the benefits buy not buying into the garbage that they print to sell copies of mags. [/quote]
Please.
If there never is any focus on body mass and even body weight from the beginning, there won’t be much overall progress if the goal involves adding significant amounts of lean body mass.
What you wrote sounds great to the uninitiated. Every newb will hear just enough buzz words strung next to each other to think it makes sense.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
dlonra wrote:
it astounds me how much shitty flex magazine, protein shake lable bullshit is on some of these forums.
firstly, if it even enters your mind that you should be cutting after a month, you are eating way too much. i think it is the most over stated thing in bodybuilding and sport that one needs to eat an absurd amount of food inorder to get big. at the end of the day muscle growth is a result of the work that it does, hence focus on increasing the work done ie: the weight!!! now if this means you absolutley must eat 5000 kcals a day then by all means do so however i have not met an athlete who needs to do that to gain size. the only people who need to do that are my cyclists and rowers. do you know why??? because they burn a fuck load of energy.
too many body builders focus on scales and numbers. body mass is possibly the least accurate indication of any type of performance, size, strength or composition you can use. the one and only thing which reigns true when it comes to increasing mass, is increasing strength through strength training.
if i could give you any advice it would be forget this bulking/cutting crap whch flex and all expert magazine readers preach. focus on performance periodisation rather than number periodisation. at the most basic level one could say, focus on strength gain for two months: low reps, basic lifts (olympic/ performance lifts included) short sharp high intensity training (intensity meaning load). then whilst maintaining the strength gains use more hypertrophy rep ranges and volume for two months and possibly impliment some advanced training techniques ie dropsets, supersets. and the have an active rest period of at least two weeks. in two weeks one should not lose strength at all and it will give the body time to heal and the mind to reasess before begining again. remember that one only needs to eat enough to maintain the desired level of intensity in the chosen activity, and most of this revolves around carb regulation pre and post activity. protein: no need for any more than 1.2- to 1.7g/kg/ body mass even for the most hardcore strength trainer. the only time you will need more is if you are on steroids as this increases protein synthesis.
please change your focus from numbers on scales to performance in the gym. you will reap the benefits buy not buying into the garbage that they print to sell copies of mags.
Please.
If there never is any focus on body mass and even body weight from the beginning, there won’t be much overall progress if the goal involves adding significant amounts of lean body mass.
What you wrote sounds great to the uninitiated. Every newb will hear just enough buzz words strung next to each other to think it makes sense.[/quote]
and you would think he could at least spell all those buzzwords, lol
[quote]dlonra wrote:
it astounds me how much shitty flex magazine, protein shake lable bullshit is on some of these forums.
firstly, if it even enters your mind that you should be cutting after a month, you are eating way too much. i think it is the most over stated thing in bodybuilding and sport that one needs to eat an absurd amount of food inorder to get big. at the end of the day muscle growth is a result of the work that it does, hence focus on increasing the work done ie: the weight!!! now if this means you absolutley must eat 5000 kcals a day then by all means do so however i have not met an athlete who needs to do that to gain size. the only people who need to do that are my cyclists and rowers. do you know why??? because they burn a fuck load of energy.
too many body builders focus on scales and numbers. body mass is possibly the least accurate indication of any type of performance, size, strength or composition you can use. the one and only thing which reigns true when it comes to increasing mass, is increasing strength through strength training.
if i could give you any advice it would be forget this bulking/cutting crap whch flex and all expert magazine readers preach. focus on performance periodisation rather than number periodisation. at the most basic level one could say, focus on strength gain for two months: low reps, basic lifts (olympic/ performance lifts included) short sharp high intensity training (intensity meaning load). then whilst maintaining the strength gains use more hypertrophy rep ranges and volume for two months and possibly impliment some advanced training techniques ie dropsets, supersets. and the have an active rest period of at least two weeks. in two weeks one should not lose strength at all and it will give the body time to heal and the mind to reasess before begining again. remember that one only needs to eat enough to maintain the desired level of intensity in the chosen activity, and most of this revolves around carb regulation pre and post activity. protein: no need for any more than 1.2- to 1.7g/kg/ body mass even for the most hardcore strength trainer. the only time you will need more is if you are on steroids as this increases protein synthesis.
please change your focus from numbers on scales to performance in the gym. you will reap the benefits buy not buying into the garbage that they print to sell copies of mags. [/quote]
Skinny newbies are to afraid to lose their abs (or w.e. u wanna call the scrawny midsection) say that they wont bulk so they dont get fat. They read tons of articles in bodybuilding.com by kitchen sink coach and think they have the holy grail of bodybuilding, they think that in the next 3 years they will add up 70 lbs with no fat gain. When they look at the mirror in the after 3 years… same SHIT!
BULKING is the way to get big. Try to slow gain your way to huge muscles and get ready for a huge deception. By the way, it is so much easier to cut then to gain muscle. You can cut the fat you gained in no time, really. For the OP, bulk for 8-12 months, cut for about 3 months (not end all be all but a simple guideline)
