[quote]BASTARD GUY wrote:
bg100 wrote:
Actually I must admit that after I posted my question I went back and read through your program and realised the warmup is not that much so it still is mostly true OLAD (I must read more carefully in the future…)
Interesting observation about the volume thing. I’ve been shying away from high rep stuff for a while now but I’m not sure how effective low reps all the time has been, it might be time to throw in a few higher volume days and see if this makes the difference.
Before starting strength training I had always been better at endurance sports i.e. cross country running, swimming and now cycling, plus i have never been a naturally fast sprinter, i wonder if this means I’m more suited to higher volume workouts? I know that it is important to develop your weak points, in my case it’s probably fast twitch fibres to get faster, but I wonder if I need to keep feeding my slow twitch endurance fibres with high volume workouts. Something I’m thinking about anyway, what do you reckon?
i am eating a meat salad. here is what i put on it. meat. lettuce. i am too lazy to get any dressing out, let alone grab both the bottle of olive oil AND the bottle of red vinegar … where oh where do you people find the time. actually, i often prefer my salads without dressing … i want to taste what is on it and not have it dominated by the dressing. is this a tangent? maybe we can rename this “the all things Dan John” thread?
lessee, where were we? oh yeah, SLAD. you are exactly right … it is not that much volume. “the warmup” is not exactly easy though. my initial thought was to do it 3 times, but then i recall what a really smart (and, btw, really old … like ancient) guy once told me. “do stuff twice.” he was referring to somthing else, but i saw the similarity here. once is insufficient, but 3 was going to be nuts. again, it is HOT out there.
my buddy is lifting with me and is pretty much done with after those two sets, but he plugs along anyway. he does not have the stellar GPP that i do. [ahem]
speaking of not that much volume, i’m glad you mentioned swimming. i used to swim (like you, i rock on the endurance stuff) … from the time i was a little, errr, young kid through my first two years of high school. i recall doing tons and tons of pushups and situps prior to every practice. it seems like we did 200 or so of each? that was everyday. PLUS the swimming … so,
—> YOU can handle “the warmup”
as mentioned, i too am suited for the ednurance stuff. plus i am borderline psychotic (ask my girlfriend). thus, EDT is great for me. remember i said that 3x3 and 5x2 stuff don’t work for me. it doesn’t. now 10x3 or 12x2 etc does. i need the volume, even at the higher loads. see, until you squat 1000 and bench 700, lifting at near your 1RM just isn’t that hard on you. as long as your joints are ok, you are fine. what do you think about them apples?
so guys like you and me, imho, should spend a lot of effort around the 80% load and get a lot of volume. i think some near maximal work (ME) is beneficial from time to time, but i find it hard to maintain much volume at those intensities. i recall a wendler article where he says one of the biggest failures of peoples’ ME routines is not enough volume . i really feel my joints breaking down at what are probably the mandatory high volumes at high intensities. i’ve never broken a bone, but i’ve torn up some joints … listen to your body.
what does that leave us? DE and olympic type lifting. moving a moderate weight real fast sure kicks a lot of @ss. i am real sick of the anti-kettlebell crowd. we on the “all things Dan John” thread know that the snatch is one of the single best movements out there. a cult-like group of us believe that snatches done EDT style are the single best body comp combination. bars are great for snatches … but for the body comp, unilateral is better … and kb’s dominate dumbbells every day of the week. and here is why unilateral snatches dominate bar snatches for EDT style lifting: the loads used AND the L/R pairing AND the fact that the upper body musculature fails first (at the loads used) = you can pretty much go as nonstop as your “GPP” will allow you. damn i am on a rant n’ roll.
all that said, i think the “do what you suck at” idea has some value. i suck at lifting heavy weights, and i could potentially really mess myself up. i also suck at running (sprinting). that i can do. that idea sould be renamed to “do what you suck at that is high reward and low risk”. (now watch me pull a hammie.)
so, in summary. lots (60%) of volume at moderate loads AND some (25%) explosive stuff AND a little (15%) ME stuff is what i am liking right now.
[i just dug up my old 40 days thread. it looks like i have put on about 5 pounds of muscle since then (january). i have been doing random full body lifting, lots of bodyweight stuff, with heavy back squatting. i have a new “base” to work with, so i am pretty excited about this new OLAD EDT stint. i haven’t weighed myself in about 3 weeks, and i don’t remember what that weight was … so i don’t know how much i weigh. somewhere between 230 and 245.]
no, i am not smoking crack … although i hear it is amazing for fat loss.
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Great post! Maybe this should be added to the Random Acts section as an “article” that didn’t quite make the main page;)
So, how are you doing the EDT sets? In your first week is it a set of 5 with right arm then a set of 5 left arm etc? Do your reps drop down by the end of the 15 min period? And then the next week just do heavier sets with less reps?
Ironically I have just started a program that is the closest to “powerlifting” that I have come to in my training life. I am putting in dedicated DE days for the first time ever (as I mentioned before I am slow and need to work on this!). I’m not doing Westside, I’ve cut things down so that I can train only 3 times per week. It might be closer to WS4SB as I am doing a “repetition day” as well. I just felt I needed to really improve my strength so that I can break through some plateaus, especially on the O-lifts, even though I would work on these a lot I kept getting stuck at certain weights, especially with the snatch at about 60kg, so maybe doing something different will help in the long run.
Ben
PS It’s after midnight in California, and as this has turned into the “all things DJ” thread I’ll use a quote from one of his articles - “Will you PLEASE go to sleep!”. LOL!
It’s just after 5pm here in Sydney, I’m going home from work. Gotta do some of CT’s Running Man HIIT program as I’m one very unfit peson at the moment.