Likely your e2 is high.
But I’d like to see shbg.
Regardless, 400mg of test a week isn’t trt. It’s a steroid cycle. You would likely need a large dose of arimidex.
Get bloods and post back.
So I have not pinned or taken an air or my hcg since
The 14th of October and was supposed to pin 10/21
Should i do labs in the a.m ?
I honestly don’t believe it needs to be in the am. As its not natural test. But i do am out of habit.
Wake up, get dressed, blood test.
If your goal is to try to get a reading on what your body produces naturally, I’d still wait. You likely still have test running through your body. Not to mention your body hasn’t recalibrated itself since stopping.
I’m trying to figure out why I am not feeling the test I was pinning and get my body and mental state to feel great. While on test I never felt any different.
I need to know what to fix with my levels and how to change my reigimine.
But don’t want to waste the 350 of blood tests for nothing.
So I have not pinned since the 14th of October. Thoughts please tell me my best chance for readings and what to do so i can a get this moving along.
Do I need to wait longer if so how long? If not then go do bloods ?
Why don’t you try 100mg a week, broken into two doses, Monday morning and Thursday night. Then retest after 6-8 weeks.
You were taking a huge amount of test weekly with the 400mg and your e2 is likely very high. And we know nothing about your shbg level.
Now you haven’t taken anything for nearly 2 weeks and I’m not sure why. Are you trying to clear all test from your system to try to get baseline blood test results? Not sure why you came off, instead of just lowering the dosage.
I know for me, my shbg is somewhat low, and I don’t feel anything from larger doses of test. I need lower doses, EOD. But that’s ME. YOu need to get blood work and see where YOU land.
I would start 100mg/week split into two doses. And stay on it.
I came off to try and see what my levels are off the gear. I will go blood test later today or do you think that’s a waste?
Then once results come back figure out proper protocol with forum help and restart this next week
I think if you’re looking for what your body produces on its own, yes, its not long enough to be off of TRT.
If you pinned 400mg 2 weeks ago, there is still some exogenous test floating around. Not to mention it takes time for your HPTA to kick back in.
Hoping someone else chimes back in here. I’d think at least a good month or more if you want bloods on what your body does on its own.
OR you could just take this boards advice and pin 100mg a week split, and test after 6 weeks.
Urologist told me that he wanted to recheck natural levels in 3 months after ceasing TRT. I insisted on a 2 month check because I felt so bad. I was able to see at that point that pituitary had picked up again.
So don’t test yet and just start the 2 x a week 50 x 2 ? What about my ai what should inprotocol tht at I have .5 Anastanzole tabs and hcg??
AI for what? Do you have Gyno? Have you developed bitch tits? IF the answer is NO, then you dont need an AI yet. As long as the nipples are not itchy, then you are fine.
Not itchy lol what about hcg keep nuts full?
I would just do the 50mg twice a week. Then test after 6 weeks.
AT THAT POINT, add the ai or hcg if you need them.
Goal here is to get a good indication of where you are with just the testosterone. Don’t add all the moving pieces now, as you won’t know what’s causing your e2 level to be where it tests at, i.e. is it just too much test? Is the HCG causing it? etc. etc.
Make Sense? It’s a marathon here for sure. Not a sprint.
Guidance on the labs and what to do would be greatly appreciated.
Stay on the same protocol for another month and test the following:
Estradiol ultra sensitive
Test AND free test
SHBG
Your estradiol test isn’t the correct one and you’re missing ft and shbg. Plus you didn’t wait a full 4-6 weeks. Your body isn’t adjusted to your new protocol after only 2 weeks.
A couple of items:
Get free testosterone next time, as mentioned. If you did not check SHBG initially, check that as well.
Give it another four weeks. Add CBC and hemoglobin.
No need to check PSA for four to six months.
Stay with the same E2 test. It is not incorrect, just a different method. It is uncommon for it to be falsely elevated. See below a few examples of concurrent ECLIA and LC/MS/MS tests below. Any difference is usually not clinically significant.
Go with how you feel over lab numbers. At this point, if you are experiencing intolerable high E2 symptoms, options are decreasing test dose or start an AI as you likely will not want to wait for more lab tests.
The Roche ECLIA methodology E2 testing is likely showing falsely elevated levels when those levels are higher in the ranges, ECLIA can be accurate if levels are lower, the Liquid Chromatography–Mass Spectrometry test is designed for men and it more accurate when levels are elevated.
More often than not the ECLIA methodology shows falsely elevated levels.
Well I have been on the .5 x 2 of the 200mg Test so one full CC a week for the last two weeks.
Doc said to incorporate 1ml x 2 HCG
And add Anastanzole .5 x 3x a week
Can text on Tuesday morning again this either levels.
Still having ED issues and thought it’s from elevated E2 unless you think false high is the point.
Any worry on hematocrit being is high. Should I dodnate bliod ?
Your testosterone hasn’t reached a stable state yet, it takes 6 weeks for levels to stabilize. Until that time your testosterone and estrogen will be fluctuating wildly and you may feel good one day and not the next.
I expect ED issues within the first 6 months of treatment for some men, tissue must be repaired and that takes time.
Personally I think you’re flying blind without proper testing, your protocol was designed without knowing your blood biomarkers, it’s clear your doctor isn’t aware of what tests that are needed and is quite common as this is a new field of medicine.