On 'Retirement' - A Few Reflections

By the way, absolutely fantastic post DD. I agree with all of what you said.

The difference a coach can make is spectacular. That’s why when we had ironcunt talking about his savage punching and seas of wood, I told him to get a fucking coach… because the impact they will have on you is remarkable.

I’ve been taught MMA by one guy and boxing by another. Both of them, especially the MMA guy, in regards to “stand up game” (I fucking despise that term cause it has to do with MMA, but…) taught me to be a counterpuncher.

Don’t go in with your head down, don’t step forward needlessly, find your range. My boxing coach totally changed my style of fighting from more of a swarming Ricky Hatton kind of way to a much more refined, Muhammad Ali box-and-move type. Not surprising at all, considering he was discovered when HE was a fighter by Angelo Dundee.

But see, it’s that kind of experience, and that kind of lineage, that you can’t get without a coach. You can’t learn what to do from someone who never did it, never went through the paces and the grueling work themselves.

And when something finally clicks, like you really lay a straight right on somebody or you hit the bag and KNOW that you finally got that fucking hook down, and you look back and realize where you were last year compared to now and how it’s not even close to comparable - it’s because of your coach.

And if you don’t get that feeling, or that realization, it’s also cause of your coach.

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Yeah, my original was in Word and it had line breaks, didn’t transfer well I guess.

Grimlorn - a good way to asses a coach is the fighters he produces. Dempsey would kill me for saying this, but a guy who produces winning amateur, pro-am or even low-level professional boxers in competition is probably a good coach. Also, ask around and see how long people have been training with him, and where they are.

If he’s got no students who have been with him more than 2-3 years, or if he has guys that have been with him for 10 years and want to compete at a high level but are 3 and 6 with no KO’s, warning bells should go off. Those guys are fine for the fitness crowd at the Rec center who just want a bag workout, but if you want to fight you need to find someone who trains people who get punched in the face.[/quote]Thanks, I didn’t think of some of that stuff and it makes sense.

Thats pretty much one of the best posts I have seen in the combat section in a long time.

The point fighting analogy reminded me of when I was 16 and had done my share of point tournaments and wanted to get tough, step into a boxing gym and get my ass beat the first week. Lessons were learned.

x2 on a good coach. This makes ALL of the difference in competitive fighting. I worked hard, real hard… when I didnt have proper coaching I had some losses. When I had proper coaching I noticed worlds and worlds of difference.

I am in a similar boat now, I gave it my all last year to compete… but I dont have proper coaching or dedicated team mates anymore and nothing similar in my area. Thus, I am going to focus on training for self defense and my career. Its tough…but I have somewhat nullified it by competing in powerlifting.

That’s funny, I was actually going to try Olympic lifting for the first time, and maybe some Krav if I can find a good class around here. Did the PL thing back in college, and wanted to change it up but still hit the iron. In the meantime, I just do 5/3/1 and train my old skills, but I’m going back to more of my MCMAP style no-rules mindset instead of the scoring mentality I’ve had for the last couple of years. It’s nice to switch it up, but weird not to have any dates circled in red on the calender.

Great post.

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
While I am not done with training, I have been out of competition fighting since August. It’s a strange transition. I started my fight career at age 16 in TKD point-fighting competitions, moved into full-contact kickboxing in my 20’s, found a great boxing coach who got me a few amateur matches, and even did a few amateur MMA events before taking my one and only professional kickboxing fight earlier this year. Despite that fight, I still consider myself an amateur fighter.

I was never willing to commit to making fighting my career, and that unwillingness to commit would have forever kept me out of true professional fighting. Now I find myself committing to a different career, one that demands that I not be punched in the face on a regular basis, and I figured I would write down some of the realizations I had over the years. Take it for what it’s worth (very little). This is a self-indulgent moment for me, but I hope that some of the young fighters and hopefuls out there can pick up something from it that I had to learn the hard way.

  1. Point fighting does not prepare you for full-contact. If anything, it teaches bad habits. I was forced to unlearn many things from my TKD days when I got into full contact fighting. Fortunately, I transitioned back before the MMA explosion, and I acquired a good boxing coach, or I might be writing this from a hospital room.

  2. Even if you’re not a boxer, if you fight any kind of standup you need a good boxing coach. Not a kickboxing coach (although there are some who are also good boxing coaches), but someone who can teach you how to punch and protect yourself against punches. Most of my wins were due to my hands, no matter what rule set I was fighting under. If you can throw solid basic punches, in combination, even some high-level amateurs are going to fall under your gloves. I am constantly amazed at how few alleged professional fighters can throw a hook with real power, or are unable to throw a real uppercut at all. Slapping jabs and sloppy overhand rights will only take you so far, no matter how strong you are.

  3. Strength and endurance assistance work is just that - assistance. Most of your workouts should be fighting. I can think of very few things as good for your fight-specific aerobic conditioning as fighting. Get several partners so that you have a string of fresh guys lined up to make you work. Hit the bag. Shadow box.

Please do not misinterpret what I’m saying as telling you that strength and endurance is not important, endurance especially is extremely important, but you can work on it using fight-specific motions and have both better fighting technique and better endurance in those specific motions than if you just go to 2 fight classes a week and run 50 miles a week. Some weightlifting is great, if not essential, but you need to decide whether you’re a fighter or a weightlifter. If you’re a fighter, lift some, but lift to fight, and don’t let it hurt your fighting.

  1. Cutting weight properly is essential if you’re going to compete. I was late to this party, I spent several years as the guy who would go in at his “natural” weight, or maybe cut just 4-5 lbs, never more than 10. Then I started fighting at 185 (had been 205). The difference was night and day, and because I had a coach making sure I rehydrated and kept my nutrition up I didn’t feel weak like I was afraid I would.

If anything, weighing less and going against lighter opponents made me more explosive. All the wrestlers out there are laughing and nodding their heads, they’ve been doing this since they were 12, but it was a revelation to me at the time, and kids at MMA gyms that don’t focus on competition might not have anyone guiding them in cutting for a fight or picking the proper weight class.

  1. Coaches are everything. Notice how many of the revelations above start with “I had a coach whoÃ?¢?” That’s because coaches are the guys who teach you how to get better. Quality coaches will make you want to die and then roll over and thank them for killing you. My boxing was great, because I had a coach who taught me ruthlessly and wouldn’t accept mistakes in my technique no matter how tired I was.

My fights usually went my way, because I had coaches who were good at picking matchups, and the ones that didn’t usually went against me because something my coach had identified as a weakness in the matchup ended up biting me in the ass. I was never surprised by a loss, only upset that the fight turned against me the way my coach and I had thought it might. Great coaches will keep you out of competition until you are ready, and once you are they will push you into it to improve your game.

  1. Fight. The best way to improve your fighting is to fight. There is simply no better motivation for training than “In two months, a man is going to try to use physical force to prove his superiority over me, and I must destroy him and eat his soul.” I exaggerate, but only a little. If you’re just going to a fight gym for the workout, and never intend to fight someone for real, you might as well hit up the cardio kickboxing class with the soccer moms at the “Y.” This is not to disparage self-defense fighting styles such as krav maga, they train to fight at an unknown time and place, but still train to fight for real.

  2. Know when to get out. I still struggle with my decision to stop fighting, even though I know it was the right one. I’m in a job where I can’t show up to work with a black eye, or cauliflower ear, or a broken nose without risking distracting people to the point of being ineffective.

I quit because my job is more important than fighting. Know when something is more important, whether it’s a relationship, your health, or your career, and if it is, get out. You don’t have to stop training altogether, I still spar and help prepare other students to compete, but I have scaled it back to fit within the realities of my life.
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Man,thats not retirement.You just moved to better things.You are still going strong! ;))