[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
If certain companies are indeed adding chemical components with addictive properties into food, why hasn’t the FDA discovered this? Isn’t that their job? Why isn’t the government protecting us?[/quote]
So what? The FDA is merely a front organization that protects markets for big corporations. Besides there are studies done in other countries. The facts are the facts and evidence is evidence no matter who discovers them.
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Where are these studies? I would like to see exactly what chemicals are being added. I rarely eat fast food because I am intelligent enough to know it is not good for me except in small infrequent quantities so it doesn’t concern me but I am curious.
I feel as though the companies that produce food have no moral obligation to make their products anything other than palatable within the confines of the law. If they wanted to be health food companies they would occupy their little niche, but the big players are marketing to fat, self indulgent people.
…buuuut I don’t feel the blame for obesity rests solely in the hands of the consumer either. Most people are just fat and indolent lets face it, however poor people may not have much of a choice when it comes to food selection. There is something to be said about the price disparity between a healthy diet and the subsidized corn laden products that line the shelves of the local grocery. During one bulk I set out to find the cheapest source of calories: Kroger brand family pack of mac n cheese. Six dollars, 12 boxes, over 1000 cals per box. If you were trying to feed yourself, your wife, and your children while struggling against poverty, that six dollars will go much further with mac n cheese than it would with fresh produce.
That being said, I dont think there is enough resources on this planet to sustain a healthy meat/veggy/starch diet for every breathing soul, and companies mass producing trash at least keeps or poor people fat rather than starving. I think that your mass production farms, slaughterhouses and even junkfood companies are a necessary evil if we plan on feeding the world. I think that the trend toward organic products is a step backwards. Not saying that organic stuff doesn’t offer numerous health benefits, but pumping more money and resources into something that produces less and costs more isn’t going to feed the world, whereas a greater focus on GMO crops and research could potentially yield more for less. Although the legal debate on such things regarding patents and stuff is pretty hairy I would imagine.
So what? The FDA is merely a front organization that protects markets for big corporations.
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That’s funny because the author of the article you posted is the former head of the FDA. By the way, which “big corporations” is the FDA a front for and what evidence do you have to substantiate this claim?
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
What is disgraceful in giving people what they want? What is disgraceful is too many people are so self centered that their every waking moment is spent finding ways to immediately satisfy their every desire.[/quote]
What is disgraceful is that companies spend money to try and get people to eat more and more of their processed garbage so that they can make more money all the while helping to make people unhealthy. I suppose you are cool with this because it is the “free market”.[/quote]
It’s entirely the fault of the consumers who have no self discipline or personal responsibility. Just look at Japan - they have the lowest obesity rate in the first world. It’s because they are a self disciplined people.
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This idiotic post doesn’t even deserve a response. So I’ll just let your stupidity speak for itself.
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It’s idiotic to say that people are responsible for what they decide to eat?
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It is idiotic to blame the consumer entirely and pretend that corporations who manipulate ingredients to spur food addiction are not culpable. All of course done for profit so it has to be good right?
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It’s utter bullshit.
Note the use of the words “dubious” and “weasel words” throughout.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
What is disgraceful in giving people what they want? What is disgraceful is too many people are so self centered that their every waking moment is spent finding ways to immediately satisfy their every desire.[/quote]
What is disgraceful is that companies spend money to try and get people to eat more and more of their processed garbage so that they can make more money all the while helping to make people unhealthy. I suppose you are cool with this because it is the “free market”.[/quote]
It’s entirely the fault of the consumers who have no self discipline or personal responsibility. Just look at Japan - they have the lowest obesity rate in the first world. It’s because they are a self disciplined people.
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What happened to the Japanese self-discipline when it comes to smoking? Estimates are that 1/3 - 1/2 of the population smoke.[/quote]
“Tobacco use has been in constant decline since 1996 and the decline has been accelerating in recent years…in 2012, the adult smoking rate was 22.1%, 33.7% of Japanese men and 10.6% of Japanese women; this is the lowest recorded figure since Japan Tobacco began surveying in 1965.”
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
What is disgraceful in giving people what they want? What is disgraceful is too many people are so self centered that their every waking moment is spent finding ways to immediately satisfy their every desire.[/quote]
What is disgraceful is that companies spend money to try and get people to eat more and more of their processed garbage so that they can make more money all the while helping to make people unhealthy. I suppose you are cool with this because it is the “free market”.[/quote]
It’s entirely the fault of the consumers who have no self discipline or personal responsibility. Just look at Japan - they have the lowest obesity rate in the first world. It’s because they are a self disciplined people.
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This idiotic post doesn’t even deserve a response. So I’ll just let your stupidity speak for itself.
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It’s idiotic to say that people are responsible for what they decide to eat?
[/quote]
It is idiotic to blame the consumer entirely and pretend that corporations who manipulate ingredients to spur food addiction are not culpable. All of course done for profit so it has to be good right?
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It’s utter bullshit.
Note the use of the words “dubious” and “weasel words” throughout.[/quote]
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
What is disgraceful in giving people what they want? What is disgraceful is too many people are so self centered that their every waking moment is spent finding ways to immediately satisfy their every desire.[/quote]
What is disgraceful is that companies spend money to try and get people to eat more and more of their processed garbage so that they can make more money all the while helping to make people unhealthy. I suppose you are cool with this because it is the “free market”.[/quote]
It’s entirely the fault of the consumers who have no self discipline or personal responsibility. Just look at Japan - they have the lowest obesity rate in the first world. It’s because they are a self disciplined people.
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What happened to the Japanese self-discipline when it comes to smoking? Estimates are that 1/3 - 1/2 of the population smoke.[/quote]
“Tobacco use has been in constant decline since 1996 and the decline has been accelerating in recent years…in 2012, the adult smoking rate was 22.1%, 33.7% of Japanese men and 10.6% of Japanese women; this is the lowest recorded figure since Japan Tobacco began surveying in 1965.”[/quote]
Still higher than America. Contradictory for the self disciplined Japanese.
So what? The FDA is merely a front organization that protects markets for big corporations.
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That’s funny because the author of the article you posted is the former head of the FDA. By the way, which “big corporations” is the FDA a front for and what evidence do you have to substantiate this claim?[/quote]
Here is a book written about an entire industry and how the FDA protects them.
I don’t know this to be true but maybe Japan doesn’t allow their food manufactures to manipulate ingredients as such. I know they allow GMO’s to be sold but it has to state so clearly on the label. There is a major fight going on about the labeling issue in the U.S. Now why do you suppose manufactures of GMO’s don’t want it clearly stated on the label?
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
There is something to be said about the price disparity between a healthy diet and the subsidized corn laden products that line the shelves of the local grocery. During one bulk I set out to find the cheapest source of calories: Kroger brand family pack of mac n cheese. Six dollars, 12 boxes, over 1000 cals per box. If you were trying to feed yourself, your wife, and your children while struggling against poverty, that six dollars will go much further with mac n cheese than it would with fresh produce.
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This is pretty true. I did a regression analysis of a lot of data trying to determine correlations to childhood obesity.
I found a very strong correlation between childhood obesity and single mothers with low incomes. Let’s put that into perspective here. Fat kids were more likely to come from single moms with low incomes.
It’s not harmful and it’s definitely natural ? it’s made from beavers’ castor sacs, or anal scent glands that produce potent secretions that animals use to mark their territory in the wild.
About 1,000 pounds of castoreum are used annually in the food industry to flavor food with a distinctive, musky flavor.
So what? The FDA is merely a front organization that protects markets for big corporations.
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That’s funny because the author of the article you posted is the former head of the FDA. By the way, which “big corporations” is the FDA a front for and what evidence do you have to substantiate this claim?[/quote]
Here is a book written about an entire industry and how the FDA protects them.
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That’s about the pharmaceutical industry. I thought we were talking about food pushers?
This shouldn’t be a surprise to any reasonably intelligent adult. In both cases it is the responsibility of the parents to control, as much as they can, what their kids eat and see that their kids are getting time to sleep. I don’t ever remember having a problem sleeping when I was a kid.
This shouldn’t be a surprise to any reasonably intelligent adult. In both cases it is the responsibility of the parents to control, as much as they can, what their kids eat and see that their kids are getting time to sleep. I don’t ever remember having a problem sleeping when I was a kid.
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Personally I don’t think you and I are so far apart . I think the only difference is I understand not every one is reasonably intelligent
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, it must be the evil food companies. It can’t people the choices people make, can’t be. [/quote]
I can tell you didn’t even read the article.[/quote]
This shouldn’t be a surprise to any reasonably intelligent adult. In both cases it is the responsibility of the parents to control, as much as they can, what their kids eat and see that their kids are getting time to sleep. I don’t ever remember having a problem sleeping when I was a kid.
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Personally I don’t think you and I are so far apart . I think the only difference is I understand not every one is reasonably intelligent
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That’s true, but it is still their responsibility and not someone else’s. That is the cost of living in a free society.
I agree people should have choices but people should be educated . If sugar is causing serious health issues labeling should reflect that .
I am big for proper labeling
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I agree people should have choices but people should be educated . If sugar is causing serious health issues labeling should reflect that .
I am big for proper labeling [/quote]
Assuming most people could even understand the implications of what is on the labels. You would have to put a warning “Eating too much of this, ie. more than once a week, will turn you into a fat tub of lard”. Even then it probably wouldn’t deter most people.
