I have heard that you shouldn’t lift 90% or more of max on the same exercise for more than 3 times, before taking a break from that exercise.
Does this apply to the olympic lifts?
I know that some professional olympic lifters go 90% or more of max on every workout.
Not if you juice
[quote]J. Robinson wrote:
I have heard that you shouldn’t lift 90% or more of max on the same exercise for more than 3 times, before taking a break from that exercise.
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I’m not quite sure what you mean by this; what time frame are we talkin? That may or may not be a sound idea.
What you don’t usually hear about in discussions of Olifting are the 10 or so years spent building up to their current programs or the high rate of burnout many countries have. Just something to keep in mind.
i think what he means is doing one exercise for ME for more than three consecutive lifts. if that is what you are asking, then yes, you are correct. thats why the westside template changes their ME lifts every 1-3 weeks, depending on your level, with less experienced lifters being able to stick with one lift for longer (3 weeks) than more experienced lifters (1-2 weeks).
if you go over to elitefts.com and look at the training logs Travis Mash has been using westside principles to train olympic lifts for the past few weeks and it looks really inventive.
You might wanna look into his methods.
Assuming you’re talking about oly lifting for its own sake and not just the exercises: Because loads are lower than in power exercises, you can go over 90% more often without overtraining. A lot more often. The feel of the lift changes when as you go past 85% and on up to 100%; a lot of oly lifters pretty much try to do as much volume as they can in the 85-95% range without practicing misses or overtraining.
[quote]J. Robinson wrote:
I have heard that you shouldn’t lift 90% or more of max on the same exercise for more than 3 times, before taking a break from that exercise.
Does this apply to the olympic lifts?[/quote]
Are you taking up Olympic weightlifting or are you supplementing your current routine (Westside it sounds like) with them?
If you’re supplementing, I think they’re most often used for dynamic work (targeting the posterior chain, obviously), meaning you won’t be maxing out on them.
If you’re taking up Olympic weightlifting, you need to get out of the Westside mindset.** Max out relatively infrequently but spend the most of your time above 80% of your maximum, unless you’re working on technique. Lifting 90-95% of your maximum is not maxing out and is a valid zone to be training in. Use the Prilipen table as a guideline.
**Simmons, I believe, claims Westside is perfect to train with for weightlifting, but, in the sport, its use is close to or is nonexistant.
[quote]J. Robinson wrote:
I know that some professional olympic lifters go 90% or more of max on every workout.
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Professional Olympic lifters do not use 90% or more on every workout. During certain periods, such as precontest, they might, but not for the bulk of their training.
Another question is whether the thing you heard was talking about 90% of your training max or 90% of your competition max.
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
if you go over to elitefts.com and look at the training logs Travis Mash has been using westside principles to train olympic lifts for the past few weeks and it looks really inventive.
You might wanna look into his methods.[/quote]
His stuff is really interesting. I want to give some of those a shot.
Snatches with chains sound tough.
If anyone tries the lifts, post how it goes.
[quote]tigerak02 wrote:
Not if you juice[/quote]
It’s always drugs, drugs, drugs with your posts. What’s going on.
sounds like a messed up interpritation of prelipins chart
[quote]chicanerous wrote:
If you’re taking up Olympic weightlifting, you need to get out of the Westside mindset.** Max out relatively infrequently but spend the most of your time above 80% of your maximum, unless you’re working on technique. Lifting 90-95% of your maximum is not maxing out and is a valid zone to be training in. Use the Prilipen table as a guideline.
**Simmons, I believe, claims Westside is perfect to train with for weightlifting, but, in the sport, its use is close to or is nonexistant.
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Wasn’t Louie’s principles originally based on the Eastern training methods of Olympic lifters, and then he adapted them to powerlifting?
i’m not quite sure i get the gist of your question but i’ll tell you my experiences.
i go by feel. my coach always talks about ‘striking while the iron is hot’. for me, after i made a lift once i usually made it again and again. i remember missing 130 kg. snatch for months. then i drilled it one day when i was not going to go particualarly heavy and i rarely missed it after.
i’ll say this about the OLs. repeated attempts at heavy weights, particularly misses and repeated attempts seemed to FRY my CNS. i’d have a hard time coming back. so i design my programs to take my heaviest attempts 3 or 4 weeks out. then taper back and build back up, hoping to repeat or improve on those lifts.
[quote]J. Robinson wrote:
Does this apply to the olympic lifts?
I know that some professional olympic lifters go 90% or more of max on every workout.
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Check out mikesgym.org. It is Mike Burgener’s site He is one of the leading O-lift coaches in the US. He posts his teams workouts daily. They do a lot of heavy work.
O-lift do not have the same eccentric component, and can be trained heavy more often. Moreover, they require a tremendous amount of repetition to master. That does not mean they should always be trained heavy.
[quote]ultimatethor wrote:
Wasn’t Louie’s principles originally based on the Eastern training methods of Olympic lifters, and then he adapted them to powerlifting?[/quote]
Originally, I believe so.
[quote]etaco wrote:
Another question is whether the thing you heard was talking about 90% of your training max or 90% of your competition max.[/quote]
The statement above is probably the best question for the OP to answer, since just ‘90%’ needs qualification between competition failure/max (CF) and training failure/max (TF), (Zatsiorsky).
Bulgarians, as Westerns hear, “always max out!”, but care must be taken to see that they are merely maxing out with that individual training day’s established max (TF). This process of working up to a individual training day’s max is the same process as used by the Westside training protocol and is completely independent of one’s competition max. To clarify by example, let’s say one pulls 550 in a meet (hormones, focus, back off week, stims, etc) but fails @ 520-540 in training.
[quote]ultimatethor wrote:
chicanerous wrote:
If you’re taking up Olympic weightlifting, you need to get out of the Westside mindset.** Max out relatively infrequently but spend the most of your time above 80% of your maximum, unless you’re working on technique. Lifting 90-95% of your maximum is not maxing out and is a valid zone to be training in. Use the Prilipen table as a guideline.
**Simmons, I believe, claims Westside is perfect to train with for weightlifting, but, in the sport, its use is close to or is nonexistant.
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Wasn’t Louie’s principles originally based on the Eastern training methods of Olympic lifters, and then he adapted them to powerlifting?[/quote]
Originally, yes, but he’s changed so much stuff it really doesn’t resemble anything that he started with.