You’re making all this KB training sounds very tempting. I wonder if I could do something like that on my GPP day? Like KB work, Farmer’s walk and Sled sprints.
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
Do 50,000,000 winds with the hammer, release dosen’t seem to be as important as building the strength and timing on the winds, at least from this neophyte’s viewpoint. With decent balance and timing, I thing 21 feet with the 56lb weight is reasonable.
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Funny Carl should suggest this. Was talking to a really good “A” competitor at the games and says he does like a 1000 winds a week. Said the same thing, release ain’t that important. You gonna spin to make the 21’ w/the 56#?
[quote]hel320 wrote:
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
Do 50,000,000 winds with the hammer, release dosen’t seem to be as important as building the strength and timing on the winds, at least from this neophyte’s viewpoint. With decent balance and timing, I thing 21 feet with the 56lb weight is reasonable.
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Funny Carl should suggest this. Was talking to a really good “A” competitor at the games and says he does like a 1000 winds a week. Said the same thing, release ain’t that important. You gonna spin to make the 21’ w/the 56#? [/quote]
i do the single turn spin that Carl taught me at the cache valley games. after this weekend, I will prolly try and incorporate that first little spin as well, but right now it seems like too much to do.
so when you just practice winds, how may do you do before you put it down?
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
Do 50,000,000 winds with the hammer, release dosen’t seem to be as important as building the strength and timing on the winds, at least from this neophyte’s viewpoint. With decent balance and timing, I thing 21 feet with the 56lb weight is reasonable.
I’m thinking of driving up for the October 30th games. Will you be able to make that one?[/quote]
yes. That is a club games, so its just in Jeff’s pasture, which we call “the Field of Dreams”. I don’t know if it would be worth the drive, but we’d love to have you. I’ll PM you jeff’s email address so you can talk about it. I don’t know if we’ll do all events, or just hammer. I assume all events, but you’ll want to check with Jeff.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
You’re making all this KB training sounds very tempting. I wonder if I could do something like that on my GPP day? Like KB work, Farmer’s walk and Sled sprints.[/quote]
you could do some kb swings. if you want a bunch of detail, you can buy Marc (spud) Bartley’s book on kettlebell stuff over at elitefts.com
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
Do 50,000,000 winds with the hammer, release dosen’t seem to be as important as building the strength and timing on the winds, at least from this neophyte’s viewpoint. With decent balance and timing, I thing 21 feet with the 56lb weight is reasonable.
I’m thinking of driving up for the October 30th games. Will you be able to make that one?[/quote]
so, on the 50k winds, I am happy to do them. but, how? do I wind as if I am going to throw, then slow down? do I stop, or wind up and down? not sure how to best make this into a training tool… but I know my wind could use some work. so thanks
I’d start with high volume and slow speed. Get use to the weight, build the specific strength and rhythm. Maybe 10 sets. Then I’d do some acceleration sets. I think a lot of people take to many winds and aren’t getting anything out of them. Many 3, 4 winds at the most. I throw off of 2 winds cause I ain’t getting nothing from more…yet.
I agree with Harry on this, slow at first, trying to hit positions, remember, low point to the left, long straight arms, hips countering opposite the hammer, hammer going in as big a circle as you can get it to go. I would suggest 5-10 winds in a set, but stop and/or slow down if you are not hitting the positions you are trying for. Take fewer winds with more speed when it feels more natural. On actual throws, if I take the first two winds really slow and controlled, I can get more from three winds than two, but only by a few feet, and not consistently.
thanks Harry and Carl. I will do this at lunch today!
kettlequeered this morning, 38 lb, did 7 ladders of 3, and a half ladder of 4.
threw at lunch
did 5 circuits of
1 or 2 throws with the 56lb for distance
2 sets of 5-8 winds with the hammer
then threw the hammer 3 times. got almost 18 paces which I assume is about 54 feet.
threw the caber 3 times. each was a 12. the beauty of throwing a 12 foot caber is that it turns easier than a 15’.
All this kettle, hammer, caber, and throwing talk. Makes a wench feel like she’s really stoopid.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
All this kettle, hammer, caber, and throwing talk. Makes a wench feel like she’s really stoopid.[/quote]
On the contrary, sweet Snap. you would make a fine thrower your own self, strong as you are, if you took an interest. and kettlebells, well, that just makes me kwear.
this morning, I did some kettlefagging. I did swings with the 38 lb for about 12-13 minutes. took 1 min breaks between my 7 ladder sets. they went 3-4-3-4-3-3-4. 3 ladder is 9 reps, 4 ladder is 16 reps. let me do math. tic toc tic toc. total 84 swings per hand. I was happy to be able to do 3 of the 4 ladders completely. another couple sessions, and I’ll be doing all 4s and some 5s. might actually get “in shape”.
also, i think i figured out why my old fatguy right hip has been shitting the bed on me. recall, if you will my adventures at disneyland a month ago, and how crippled up I felt. it occurs to me that 2 things happened just prior. I discovered throwing. AND I lifted less so I could throw more.
Now, picture if you will, if you are right handed and you throw for distance, you will push off your right leg. and to eventually check your forward motion, you will fire the hip flexor on that leg. normally, the only time one works the hip flexor in the gym is doing when doing abz on deadlift and squat days. however, I have not done abz since the last time I deadlifted or squatted, which I believe was back in july about the time I started learning to throw.
so, my non-stop achy hip flexor has been making me miserable for the past month, and now that I know, I will start getting some daily ab work. Also, since I figured this out a couple days ago I have much increased the pvc rolling and hip flexor stretching and little lacrosse ball humping.
Aint it funny how if you think about a thing long enough, an answer will come? Aint it even funnier that it took me a month to start thinking about this crippling pain in my hip? In addition to being a kettlefag, i am an idjit.
games on sunday, I will try to write down my pathetic throws this time so I can post them here for your derision.
think harder
old lardass
Maybe so, but you are an idjit that throws cabers and stuff. All is forgiven. Hope things are going well at the games.
Mickey caught you eyeballin Minnie and put some bad mojo on your hip? You run around in a skirt trying to throw logs and other heavy shit for the fun of it and you’re worried about bein an idjit? All is forgiven, on your first full turn of the wood. Hope you had a good time today.
2d annual St. Joseph The Worker Folkfest Highland Games:
Note, this was done as a fund raiser, we only did 4 events so it does not meet 5-event criteria of a highland games. There were about 6 throwers including Dan John and Ryan Stewart (I think Ryan might be a pro, his throws were off the hook). while I did not DFL on EVERY event (someone else took last in the 56# for distance) I was still pretty bad by comparison. on the other hand, I did come reasonably close to where I was hoping to be. For fun, I will show my results next to Ryans:
[edit: i have no idea how to make a table in html so this didnt show very well]
Old Lardass
Braemer Stone 23’
56# for dist 19’1"
22# hammer 52’
caber 45/60/88 deg
Ryan
Braemer Stone 38’8"
56# for dist 41’
22# hammer 93’1"
caber 3x 12:00
I was totally ryan’s bitch. however, I did come close to some of my goals vis-a-vis “B” Class throws:
Braemer: 22# braemer for 28’ is the standard. I had no opportunity to practice, so I wasn’t thinking much about this one. we used a 27# stone, so at 23’ i am close enough. Dan gave me some advice on this, with moved my distance from 20’8" to 23’, so that was nice. I scratched my 3d throw. Carl, if you read this, you may remember my famous shoulder roll over the trig scratch in the braemer? did that again.
56# for distance: I practiced alot, but without a coach to help me, its been a hard row to hoe. using the single spin that Carl Darby taught me, I was able to hit 19’1". the mark was 21’ so close enough. Even better considering I think my best throw with the 42# was 19’.
22# hammer: this is my biggest disappointment. after working alot on the winds, i concentrated too much on winding and not enough on throwing. the mark I wanted to hit was 63’ so I am 11’ off the standard. obviously, needs some work
Caber: I was pretty happy with this actually, even though I couldn’t turn the damn thing. First off, I can turn my 12’ caber pretty well. most games I think use around 15’ cabers, and in the last games, I could not control it enough to throw it, i dropped all 3 tries. yesterday, I made 3 throws, the last of which got much support from the audience when it failed to topple over. Did I mention that St. Joseph is the only catholic parish with their own caber, named the “Pride of Saint Joseph”. sadly for me, it is 18’ long. When you toss the Caber, if it turns, you are scored by how far away from the 12:00 position it lands. if you don’t turn it, you are scored by the steepest angle it hits before it falls back to earth. it seemed to stand forever before it fell back on my last throw. like all mature 47 yr old men, I jumped up and down saying shit shit shit shit when it fell.
The Rogue Games will be held on saturday 9/18 at the club field. It will be a full games, so I will be back to throwing the masters weights (16# hammer, 42# for height and distance). I am gonna get me a stone today so I can practice that, and work on my double spin for the weight for distance. They have Class B standards for the masters weights, so we’ll see how close I can get on that.
I am pretty beat up from all the beer, whiskey, standing in the sun, and occasional athletic effort, so today is a full deload, no kettlewierdness, no lifting no throwing. back in the pit tomorrow.
As a note, Dan John, lifting and throws coach extraordinaire (www.danjohn.net) turned out to be one hell of a guy. hanging out with his wife and daughters, and drinking beer and scotch with one of the guys I look up to was a big bag of fun. Plus I met a couple other throwers that still live here and drink.
slog through it harder
old lardass
Sounds like you had a hell of a time and you met you’re own goals. Nothing wrong with that at all.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Sounds like you had a hell of a time and you met you’re own goals. Nothing wrong with that at all.[/quote]
welllllllll, I didn’t exactly MEET the goals, but yeah, I got what I think is a great start and I am having a ball with this!
sounds like a good time.
tossing big things is foooking cool
I think it’s totally awesome that you did this! It takes a lot of guts to try something new knowing you might possibly come in last. [I speak from some experience here.] Way to go!
Now. The important stuff. Where’s the skirt pic?