wow debra, your own oly setup. i’m very jealous! sorry to hear you don’t feel that you are getting much from your coaching. based on your description i’d feel pretty disillusioned about it, too. do you think you could tell her how you feel? she might have an explanation about something that she is trying to do with her aloofness… or she might wake up a bit with respect to how she comes across with her coaching style. how could anyone be bored watching anybody lift!? especially watching debra! i really enjoy your vids. keep 'em coming 
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
cloystreng, i’m going to try those drills once my shoulder is healed. thanks for that - never thought to try to drop with the bar at the sternum.
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Thank Koing for them, he was the one that told me to do it. I’m going to be doing them more often. I’m in no shape to give anyone drills about improving snatches right now. Ask me about cleans, maybe. Probably not though.
Sat Session
FS: 70, 120, 150, 170, 180, 185, 175x2/1
Rest 20 min
Sn: 50x2/1, 70, 90, 100, 105/M, M, M, 1, 90
FS: 120, 150, 170, 180/m, 175, 162.5x2/2
Brutal session today. Definitely felt tired and beat from yesterday’s session. 185 on the first session was a GRINDER, I felt like a scared cat on the way up. Tried to double 175, those were 2 heavy singles instead, just had very little in the tank.
I was also pressed for time today due to the gym closing early so I could only snatch or clean, I chose snatch. I was on autopilot during snatches but 105 was off a little due to lack of speed and not catching it strongly. I actually caught two of the misses but the bar didnt land correctly on my wrist so I ditched it. In the middle of feeling wasted, I had a second wind moment where I absolutely smoked 105 the way I wanted to. I felt like I couldve added 10 more kg but due to time I had to move on. The second round of squats were what I expected. My back felt torched so everything felt harder to hold up in the rack position.
Technique was good, even when tired my body is getting better at aiming the weight the right way and I just need to apply speed to the movement without deviating. Abadjiev said that days like these are expected after a good heavy day and on average, I can only expect 90% of the previous day since the stress limitation system (what he calls it) keeps the body from doing too much. He also said I should be doing 135/165-170 by the end of the year if I keep my training up and squat 18 times a week (Im at 14 right now), I definitely am deferring to him on that.
[quote]cloystreng wrote:
Back Squat:
-70 kg x 5
-90 x 5
-100 x 5
-130 (285) x 5, 5, 5, 5
-back squat was hard! almost failed final set[/quote]
I applaud you dedication and hard work; you seem very determined… however, with all due respect it doesn’t take an Olympic weightlifter to clearly see a few problems…
Regarding your squatting… why don’t you turn off your ego and lower the weight a bit and work on your form first?
I just don’t understand the need to throw on the heavy weight until you have perfected your technique and have good form. I honestly believe that working on your form first and say having a controlled and more upright 80kg Oly High Bar Back Squat would be far more beneficial and would definitely look better than what you have been posting.
Also, Koing has clearly told you to stop dropping down so fast in your squat… why do you still do it? The load is too heavy for you if you can’t control your descent; that big step forward was clearly an indication that your back is not able to handle the load; you are leaning far too forward to the point it no longer looks like an olympic squat; work more on your standing and seated good mornings; work on weighted decline sit-ups.
Good luck; and yes, I truly do mean that. Respects, —/Ricochet!
BTW: The following is an interview with Leonid Taranenko… read it and think on it:
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/sportivny/library/news/nv005.html
B.C. What strength exercises do you favor?
Taranenko: The back squat is the most important strength exercise. I usually squat every day, sometimes more than once-a-day. My best back squat is 380 kg (837 lbs). But this is with a two-second pause at the bottom.
B.C. How many reps per set?
Taranenko: Usually no more than three. However, I occasionally do sets of five for explosive speed. I can use 300 kg for sets of five, done rapidly. Typically, I pause at the bottom for a count of two, when doing squats.
[quote]Ricochet wrote:
[quote]cloystreng wrote:
Back Squat:
-70 kg x 5
-90 x 5
-100 x 5
-130 (285) x 5, 5, 5, 5
-back squat was hard! almost failed final set[/quote]
I applaud you dedication and hard work; you seem very determined… however, with all due respect it doesn’t take an Olympic weightlifter to clearly see a few problems…
Regarding your squatting… why don’t you turn off your ego and lower the weight a bit and work on your form first?
I just don’t understand the need to throw on the heavy weight until you have perfected your technique and have good form. I honestly believe that working on your form first and say having a controlled and more upright 80kg Oly High Bar Back Squat would be far more beneficial and would definitely look better than what you have been posting.
Also, Koing has clearly told you to stop dropping down so fast in your squat… why do you still do it? The load is too heavy for you if you can’t control your descent; that big step forward was clearly an indication that your back is not able to handle the load; you are leaning far too forward to the point it no longer looks like an olympic squat; work more on your standing and seated good mornings; work on weighted decline sit-ups.
Good luck; and yes, I truly do mean that. Respects, —/Ricochet!
BTW: The following is an interview with Leonid Taranenko… read it and think on it:
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/sportivny/library/news/nv005.html
B.C. What strength exercises do you favor?
Taranenko: The back squat is the most important strength exercise. I usually squat every day, sometimes more than once-a-day. My best back squat is 380 kg (837 lbs). But this is with a two-second pause at the bottom.
B.C. How many reps per set?
Taranenko: Usually no more than three. However, I occasionally do sets of five for explosive speed. I can use 300 kg for sets of five, done rapidly. Typically, I pause at the bottom for a count of two, when doing squats.[/quote]
I had a long post responding, but I got rid of it because it seems silly to get mad over the internet.
Edit: Fuck you, its been like a week since Koing told me to stop going so fast.
Edit: I will think about it. Keep your sarcasm at the door.
Edit: My girlfriend says its silly to get angry at people over the internet.
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
Hi Andy! total newb question - what’s cin pull and the 3 pos cleans?
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not cin pull, cln pull/clean pull.
3-position clean is: clean from floor, clean from above knees, clean from high-hang.
Now I understand why no one has been completely honestly about your posted videos.
You shouldn’t be so sensitive… take constructive criticism as such. You were brave enough to post videos so why can’t you handle the critique? Don’t you want the help? No where in my post did I flame you little brother… I even complimented your work effort and drive; many do not have it.
Where was the sarcasm in my post? Stop reading between the lines as there was nothing there. If you knew me you would know that I am fairly serious… I say what I mean and mean what I say. When I asked you to think about the article I linked for you that was what I meantâ?¦ think on it and see if you can apply it to your training or not; simple as that.
I spent over a month under a bar alone learning to squat properly once/twice a day everyday of the week before I was even allowed to put any weight on… form, form, form.
Remember that a real man accepts corrections, self-edifies, acknowledges his mistakes and errors, picks himself up, dusts himself off, and then walks on tall.
You are not walking tall sir.
I think that people really genuinely do appreciate attempts to help - including criticism. I reckon that most egos are fairly fragile, though, because people really are trying the best that they can. As such, it really doesn’t hurt to offer something encouraging along with criticism and to carefully phrase the critique that one does offer so that it is obviously encouraging. Oly Lifting is so bloody hard. My coach went on at me for MONTHS about ‘finish the pull’, ‘finish the pull!’, ‘Finish the Pull!!!’ ‘FINISH THE PULL!!!’ and I suspect I’m still not quite managing it…
Lost the footage of my snatches so repeated my last set for the footage:
(Please excuse the strangled poodle sound effects)
Training for a Clean and Overhead fairly informal comp. I won’t be jerking - but it does mean I’m training my PowerClean (as it is stronger than my clean) up to where my PushPress maxes out:
There is a whole heap that I think I’m doing wrong… But I know what I think already and I’d be really interested to hear what others think. Guess I’m happy about my PB’s so you can be a bit harsh… But maybe be a little bit careful with me because I’M TRYING DAMMIT. Thanks.
Maybe your intentions were good but comments like these tend to make people think you are just being a pompous ass
[quote]Now I understand why no one has been completely honestly about your posted videos.
You shouldn’t be so sensitive… take constructive criticism as such. You were brave enough to post videos so why can’t you handle the critique? Don’t you want the help? No where in my post did I flame you little brother… I even complimented your work effort and drive; many do not have it
Remember that a real man accepts corrections, self-edifies, acknowledges his mistakes and errors, picks himself up, dusts himself off, and then walks on tall.
You are not walking tall sir. [/quote]
While I personally agree with what you say objectively, you say it as if you are his dad or something. Just say what’s wrong with people’s technique or their diets or their program and if they don’t like it just let it go…
alexus
keep the hips down, you already know this. Look at some of my videos in the previous pages and look how I initiate the lift, that seems to help me keep them down it might work for you too. Basically I think to myself… weight on heels weight on heels and keep rising up until the bar slightly is touching my shins. it seems to work for me decently so far.
in the snatch start raising your torso faster after the bar passes the knees. The way you do it, your legs straighten out and then rebend but your torso is lagging behind so much that until it straightens the legs can’t really help the pull anymore. Thats why the bar seems to stop at the hips. Really really focus on this point cause right now you practically don’t have a 1st or 2nd pull that adds to the whole pull; you are just doing a triple extension. Raising the torso earlier will help immensly and you should be doing PRs immediately if you do it right. Keeping hips low though comes along with it.
In the clean and presses… first I dont get why you push pressed and didn’t do some kind of jerk instead … 2nd do NOT regrip the bar after letting it drop. If you want to slow it down do kind of what you did in the last rep when you let it drop… move your hands over the bar and lightly let it move into your palms and slow it down but do NOT grip it with your fingers.
The cleans are looking pretty good! Your hips are kept decently low compared to the snatches. For some reason the bar seems to stop again and then is thrown outwards a decent amount but I can’t understand why… maybe someone else can. However I’d advise not doing any power cleans. Do a lot more cleans, learn to get under the bar. You are only hurting yourself in the long run by doing so many power cleans. In all the full cleans you seemed to have caught the bar at a quarter squat anyway. Try doing triples full cleans(like 5 sets or something) with that weight and then move on to more weight.
You certainly have more spirit than the girls at our club ill give you that. they tend to be afraid of the bar… or afraid of me yelling at the bar. Then again they are 14 years old…
[quote]lordstorm88 wrote:
Maybe your intentions were good but comments like these tend to make people think you are just being a pompous ass
[quote]Now I understand why no one has been completely honestly about your posted videos.
You shouldn’t be so sensitive… take constructive criticism as such. You were brave enough to post videos so why can’t you handle the critique? Don’t you want the help? No where in my post did I flame you little brother… I even complimented your work effort and drive; many do not have it
Remember that a real man accepts corrections, self-edifies, acknowledges his mistakes and errors, picks himself up, dusts himself off, and then walks on tall.
You are not walking tall sir. [/quote]
While I personally agree with what you say objectively, you say it as if you are his dad or something. Just say what’s wrong with people’s technique or their diets or their program and if they don’t like it just let it go…[/quote]
Well at least we agree on two things… that I am a pompous ass and his squatting is awful!
I sincerely do hope that he listens to someone, anyone, and drops down to a lighter load so that he may focus more on his squatting form before he really hurts himself. Cheers mate!
[quote]Ricochet wrote:
[quote]lordstorm88 wrote:
Maybe your intentions were good but comments like these tend to make people think you are just being a pompous ass
[quote]Now I understand why no one has been completely honestly about your posted videos.
You shouldn’t be so sensitive… take constructive criticism as such. You were brave enough to post videos so why can’t you handle the critique? Don’t you want the help? No where in my post did I flame you little brother… I even complimented your work effort and drive; many do not have it
Remember that a real man accepts corrections, self-edifies, acknowledges his mistakes and errors, picks himself up, dusts himself off, and then walks on tall.
You are not walking tall sir. [/quote]
While I personally agree with what you say objectively, you say it as if you are his dad or something. Just say what’s wrong with people’s technique or their diets or their program and if they don’t like it just let it go…[/quote]
Well at least we agree on two things… that I am a pompous ass and his squatting is awful!
I sincerely do hope that he listens to someone, anyone, and drops down to a lighter load so that he may focus more on his squatting form before he really hurts himself. Cheers mate![/quote]
Maybe I should have left my post up.
This will be the last time I respond to you unless you change your manner, its insulting.
I will explain to you why what you said insulted me:
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You act as if you have been here for a long time, then critique me based on one page of this thread ignoring the many past months I have here, including the injuries I am coming back from. If you were here in December or looked at those posts you would know that I used to squat 325, sprained my ankle (still have problems with the achilles, went to PT Friday), dropped my squat down to 185 and brought it slowly back up over months, only to find that I was over training and brought it down from 315 to 265 again to fix some of the issues I had been seeing.
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“No where in my post did I flame you little brother…” Oh, how about the ego comment? Thats not a flame? Take this as you will, but I frequent /fit/ on 4chan quite frequently, so I’m not new to flaming, hating, trolling, and all that.
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What do you even lift? What do you weigh? At least mention it, so I don’t think that I’m being dragged down by some beginner who squats 225 or some shit. 80 kg as a suggestion? Really? I snatch more than that. Hell, I can almost press that.
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Did you even read the posts I had responding to other people’s critiques? Like the part about where I lifted luggage all day? My back was tired. I forgot to take that into account. Sorry, god for sinning.
You know what a good criticism would have been of my squatting?
“Cloystreng, you are leaning to far forward in the squat. You should think about deloading and fixing your form, stay upright, before you hurt yourself.”
Its direct, I am sorry it doesn’t enable you to feel as superior as your previous posts did, and it would make me think about what you said instead of ignore because of the asshole attitude.
I will not respond to you again unless you change your attitude. I will not start a flame war, and I hope others take my lead and don’t defend me (or him if you feel he is right). This is now in the past.
Edit: Last thing. I’m not on T-Nation to learn how to walk tall. I’m here because I lift.
lordstorm88, getting a video from the front is going to be a bit tricky because of the shape of my room. I might have to do some rearranging. I could try getting it at any angle too.
[quote]debraD wrote:
lordstorm88, getting a video from the front is going to be a bit tricky because of the shape of my room. I might have to do some rearranging. I could try getting it at any angle too.
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I understand the difficulties of that! At least you don’t have gym workers breathing down on your neck for breaking the rules by taking videos! I have to deal with that at school, luckily not at home haha.
I’m posting a squat vid from last week because I want to make sure my posture and depth are what I should be doing for oly lifting. I’ve always done them this way, except with some hip weakness at times I’ve not gone to full depth at higher weights.
[quote]cloystreng wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
lordstorm88, getting a video from the front is going to be a bit tricky because of the shape of my room. I might have to do some rearranging. I could try getting it at any angle too.
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I understand the difficulties of that! At least you don’t have gym workers breathing down on your neck for breaking the rules by taking videos! I have to deal with that at school, luckily not at home haha.[/quote]
Against the rules? Wow that sucks. But I can sort of understand it from the perspective of protecting other members, but they could accommodate by operating the camera when people need it.
[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m posting a squat vid from last week because I want to make sure my posture and depth are what I should be doing for oly lifting. I’ve always done them this way, except with some hip weakness at times I’ve not gone to full depth at higher weights.
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Depth on the third seemed a bit higher than the rest (right about parallel) but still passes in my book. The other two looked good on depth and the hip looked alright to me.
I wish I had your ankle flexibility. My PT says my right ankle has 10 degrees of mobility in flexion. Athletes should have at least 20, and yours right there look like more. I’m working on it though.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]cloystreng wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
lordstorm88, getting a video from the front is going to be a bit tricky because of the shape of my room. I might have to do some rearranging. I could try getting it at any angle too.
[/quote]
I understand the difficulties of that! At least you don’t have gym workers breathing down on your neck for breaking the rules by taking videos! I have to deal with that at school, luckily not at home haha.[/quote]
Against the rules? Wow that sucks. But I can sort of understand it from the perspective of protecting other members, but they could accommodate by operating the camera when people need it.
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Its a privacy issue, and I understand it, but its annoying, especially at the times when NO ONE else is in the gym or in the shot at the least, but they are like “no”. I still record with my phone, as you can tell but only big lifts and important things now.
[quote]cloystreng wrote:
Depth on the third seemed a bit higher than the rest (right about parallel) but still passes in my book. The other two looked good on depth and the hip looked alright to me.
I wish I had your ankle flexibility. My PT says my right ankle has 10 degrees of mobility in flexion. Athletes should have at least 20, and yours right there look like more. I’m working on it though.[/quote]
I’m not sure what mine is but I can go lower than that even
I shouldn’t admit to this probably but in my laziness, when I finish squatting I leave the bar and weights racked. Then when I need to get them out of the way, I just do a negative and go really low to put them on the lower rack. Later when I go to squat again, I’ll take off a few pounds and get underneath and squat it back up. I end up sitting with the weight really low and I’ve actually become more flexible I think doing this. I’m not recommending it though!
Looking back at my vids, I’ve noticed I progressively lose depth as I get heavier. Early on I sometimes touch the rack but I don’t want to lower it because I need it there when I get heavier.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]cloystreng wrote:
Depth on the third seemed a bit higher than the rest (right about parallel) but still passes in my book. The other two looked good on depth and the hip looked alright to me.
I wish I had your ankle flexibility. My PT says my right ankle has 10 degrees of mobility in flexion. Athletes should have at least 20, and yours right there look like more. I’m working on it though.[/quote]
I’m not sure what mine is but I can go lower than that even
I shouldn’t admit to this probably but in my laziness, when I finish squatting I leave the bar and weights racked. Then when I need to get them out of the way, I just do a negative and go really low to put them on the lower rack. Later when I go to squat again, I’ll take off a few pounds and get underneath and squat it back up. I end up sitting with the weight really low and I’ve actually become more flexible I think doing this. I’m not recommending it though!
Looking back at my vids, I’ve noticed I progressively lose depth as I get heavier. Early on I sometimes touch the rack but I don’t want to lower it because I need it there when I get heavier.
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Since its your house, you can do whatever you like with the weights lol. I think there is something to be said for starting from a dead stop, but I think I will cut the weight down a bit if I do it.
The depth gets a bit less each time, so work on it, but its not bad at any of them. Just think about going low when you squat and don’t worry about hitting the rack.