OK To Tell Kids They're Fat?

I would say it’s very important to let kids know there fat. When i was younger my mom would always tell me “your not fat your just growing”. That might have been part of it but I think the lack of exercise and crappy diet was a bigger part of it and she only taught me how to rationalize by telling me that. Finally, I was the one who had to be truthful to myself and say I’m fat and I wish my mom would have been more truthful to me so I could be the way I am now a few years ago.

Just to give you an example of fat:
at age 12, 5"6’ 165 lbs
at age 16, (now) 6"3’ 187 lbs
now i’m too skinny instead of fat.

I can’t believe it is even being debated at any level, let alone an academic/profesional level.

You would think with all of the obestity studies, statistical data that has be generated from them and the just plain obvious- fat lethargic kids that can’t even play for extended periods of time,
that pediatricians can’t just say bold faced without mincing words- “Your Kid is Fat. You, as a parent, need to do something about this.”.

It realy does baffle me.

I saw this article in the morning paper. I think I lose a little faith in humanity every time we avoid the truth under a guise of political correctness. I didn’t see a picture of Leu on msnbc, but there was one in the paper, and let me tell you I think the scientific term for her condition is “fat ass.” If we don’t use words with a negative connotation to tell children that they are unhealthy, how are they ever going to recognize their condition as a negative one?

I was a chunky kid. Not obese, not double-chinned, but solid and chunky and roundish and HATING it from age eight onward.

I definitely knew.

But really, I wasn’t allowed to buy my own food. My mom didn’t buy candy or much sugar cereal but she was always cooking all-carb meals because rice and noodles are cheaper than meat.

Normal portions were enormous. I ate fruit PLUS huge portions, because “fruit is healthy” and I didn’t want to be fat, as if apples would attack the pasta. I didn’t know at eight or ten to short the portions, and at 12 my mom told me I was “too young to diet.”

I wasn’t double-chinned because I didn’t have a Nintendo and I played outside all the time. I don’t know what sitting me down and saying “Josie, you are chubby, and if you don’t watch out you’ll be so fat you’ll roll downhill” would have accomplished unless you ALSO gave my mom a degree in nutrition and a bigger food budget.

Does anyone have any studies vis-a-vis the relationship between socioeconomic status and weight in kids?

The reason I ask is because neither my high school kids nor the kids in my SAT classes resemble the kids we keep hearing about on the news, but since I teach in a fairly well-off area, I thought maybe that had something to do with it.

Either way, from someone who has contact with teenagers virtually every day, there seems to be a disconnect between the studies and reality.

My sister is not fat but she’s definitely sporting a lil flub around the stomach. I mentioned something about it and they way she eats (which is awful) and my mother completely shit a brick. I wasn’t being malicious. I was just stating that weight gain and shitty dietary habbits are related. And I get screamed at for being an asshole. I’m still trying to figure that out.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Does anyone have any studies vis-a-vis the relationship between socioeconomic status and weight in kids?

The reason I ask is because neither my high school kids nor the kids in my SAT classes resemble the kids we keep hearing about on the news, but since I teach in a fairly well-off area, I thought maybe that had something to do with it.

Either way, from someone who has contact with teenagers virtually every day, there seems to be a disconnect between the studies and reality.[/quote]

obesity=negatively correlated to IQ. IQ=positively correlated to income. Generalizations, but facts nonetheless

[quote]allNatural wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Does anyone have any studies vis-a-vis the relationship between socioeconomic status and weight in kids?

The reason I ask is because neither my high school kids nor the kids in my SAT classes resemble the kids we keep hearing about on the news, but since I teach in a fairly well-off area, I thought maybe that had something to do with it.

Either way, from someone who has contact with teenagers virtually every day, there seems to be a disconnect between the studies and reality.

obesity=negatively correlated to IQ. IQ=positively correlated to income. Generalizations, but facts nonetheless[/quote]

Actualy- the ADA has found a connection that is a bit more accurate than that IQ thingy there.

It’s been a few years since I read it, but the gist of it was that there was a serious problem in the lower socio-economic echelons. The study examined the choices and availability of fresh fruits and vegetables in large urban populations yadda yadda yadda and concluded that there was a serious lack of availability of fresh and healthy foods compared to the produce depts. in more affluent neighborhoods.

This was due in large part to demand, but the actual reason for the lack of demand wasn’t stated.

My guess would be money. Enugh fresh fruits, vegetables and meats to feed a decent sized family can be staggering. Mac& cheeze, ramen noodles and other things that we consider shit food is a good deal cheaper.

I checked by looking at the sheer size of the produce sections and fresh meat depts. of a couple of different supermarkets in different areas. Sure as hell- There was a HUGE difference.

You know what’s really funny is when fat people make fun of skinny people for being skinny.

Pool Boy: I’m sorry sir, you can’t park your van on the diving board.

Lois: This is my son.

Pool Boy: Oh, my apologies. Hey, Tom. He’s not a van, he’s just a fat kid.

[quote]This was due in large part to demand, but the actual reason for the lack of demand wasn’t stated.

My guess would be money. Enugh fresh fruits, vegetables and meats to feed a decent sized family can be staggering. Mac& cheeze, ramen noodles and other things that we consider shit food is a good deal cheaper.

I checked by looking at the sheer size of the produce sections and fresh meat depts. of a couple of different supermarkets in different areas. Sure as hell- There was a HUGE difference.
[/quote]

My dad told us all the time we couldn’t afford salads or fresh fruit. My mom told us that meat was designed to be a side-dish, that you were supposed to fill up on rice or potatoes or what-have-you. They’re a lot cheaper per lb.

Both my parents are diabetic. It isn’t a big mystery as to why.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Does anyone have any studies vis-a-vis the relationship between socioeconomic status and weight in kids?

The reason I ask is because neither my high school kids nor the kids in my SAT classes resemble the kids we keep hearing about on the news, but since I teach in a fairly well-off area, I thought maybe that had something to do with it.

Either way, from someone who has contact with teenagers virtually every day, there seems to be a disconnect between the studies and reality.[/quote]

Last summer, I noticed that when I dropped my boys off at ski camp (which was very expensive) most of the kids and parents looked fit. When I dropped them off at bible camp (real cheap) most of the kids and parents were over weight.

Now this might not have anything to do with money. The ski camp was to teach kids how to do flips on skis so the kids were more athletic than the bible camp kids.

I have 4 children. They are all skinny and athletic. We do not eat fast food. I made them all watch super size me. They are all expected to participate in a sport or do not get an allowance. My oldest will run 5 miles twice a week for his allowance when he is not playing a sport.

How do you expect overweight parents to be able to teach their children how to eat when they don’t know how themselves. I have heard parents complain because their child comes home and eats 3 little debbie cakes. If they can’t control their kids, they should not have the junk in the house.

[quote]StevenF wrote:
You know what’s really funny is when fat people make fun of skinny people for being skinny. [/quote]

After I had 4 children, I joined a gym to loss the extra weight I gained during pregnancies. When I had the extra weight, no one bugged me. Now that I have lost the weight and have a lot muscle, I am amazed at the things people (overweight moms) say about me. Now that I am in shape, I am a bitch, selfish, obsessive, overly competitive, snob etc. I was shocked at first now I just laugh about it.

[quote]allNatural wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Does anyone have any studies vis-a-vis the relationship between socioeconomic status and weight in kids?

The reason I ask is because neither my high school kids nor the kids in my SAT classes resemble the kids we keep hearing about on the news, but since I teach in a fairly well-off area, I thought maybe that had something to do with it.

Either way, from someone who has contact with teenagers virtually every day, there seems to be a disconnect between the studies and reality.

obesity=negatively correlated to IQ. IQ=positively correlated to income. Generalizations, but facts nonetheless[/quote]

Obesity’s definitely highly negatively correlated to income. I’m grew up in a wealthy area, and you don’t see many fat people.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Pool Boy: I’m sorry sir, you can’t park your van on the diving board.

Lois: This is my son.

Pool Boy: Oh, my apologies. Hey, Tom. He’s not a van, he’s just a fat kid.
[/quote]

u see that new one where loius got obese and peter was making fun of her for being fat? shit was hilarious

My family is a good example of the dietary habits of lean individuals vs. fat individuals. My dad brought me up around a lot of cake, sweets, carbs, etc. It wasn’t that he couldn’t afford meat or veggies, but he liked to eat the sweets, etc.

Imagine waking up in elementary school and making a breakfast of cake, pizza, or candy… this is what I did on more than one occasion. Not to mention all the sugary cereals I used to eat, etc. With all the poor dietary choices I made when I was younger, it’s no wonder I didn’t learn to eat right.

My aunt’s family on the other hand, was completely different. She limited candy to one piece (starburst size) a day, and told her kids to eat lots of veggies and fruits, with meats sparingly. She took on a lacto-ovo vegetarian lifestyle in college, and continues to this day. My cousins are some of the leanest people in my entire family due to their soccer playing, and good dietary habits.

I believe parents should set the example, but it is eventually up to kids/teenagers to continue carrying the torch as it were.

As far as addressing the issue with your kids… I remember a conversation I had with my dad when I was in high school and started to get more chubby. It also revolved around girls, etc.

Me: “Dad, I know I’m gaining weight, but I just want someone to love me for me.”

(As if on que, we were turning the corner near the library in my hometown and a 350lbs+ man was waddling down the sidewalk, belly dunlopped over his belt, etc.)

Dad: “I know you want someone to love you for you, but look at that guy over there (points across street), he just wants someone to love him for who he is too.”

Needless to say we never talked about weight gain again as the point was already made. I’ve had to learn about good eating habits in the last several years. My only hope is that I can set a better example for my son so he doesn’t follow in my earlier footsteps.

~V

I can not believe that this is such an issue. I am sick and tired of all the P.C. bullshit in this country. If my Father had not told me I was fat when I was 12 I would have never started lifting and ended up a fat ass. I thank my Father all the time for being honest and helping me to get into fitness.

I do believe however if one’s child is fat tell them but also be prepared to tell them how to change it and also be a good example. My Father started me on a training program and worked out with me. I have been lifting ever since. So yes it is ok to tell a child they are fat…

Yes

If a kid does something “bad”, you tell them that they did something bad, you make sure they realise that THEY are not bad.

If a kid gets fat, you tell them they have gotten fat, you make damned sure they realise that “they” are not fat …

You need to make the kids realise that they are not their behaviour nor their outcomes. So they can choose different behaviours and outcomes.

Similarly if they don’t perform well at school they must realise they are not dumb, just that they didn’t learn it right.

etc…

Also you should make them feel bad about being fat coz it is wrong, wrong wrong.

I think it is one’s duty to tell kids they are fat at every opportunity.

Or ugly.

Or smelly.

[quote]The Beast wrote:
I think it is one’s duty to tell kids they are fat at every opportunity.

Or ugly.

Or smelly.[/quote]