Oil, Bitch!

[quote]The Mage wrote:
lixy wrote:

Well…they’re dumb.

The era of cheap oil is over. Get over it!

And Real Estate will climb forever. [/quote]

On average and in general, yes. It will.

Simple supply and demand. Plus, there’s this thing called inflation that helps…

[quote]There are some factors that will not last forever keeping the price of oil elevated right now.

It’s a bubble pure and simple. [/quote]

Sure. There’s a good deal of speculation currently built into the price of the barrel. But it doesn’t change the fact that the era of cheap oil is long gone. You can forget about pre-war-on-Iraq prices. They’re not coming back.

And if you think the US economy has it bad, you wait for the Gulf states to cash in their American bonds or jump on the Euro’s bandwagon.

What will happen to the working poor who are being priced out of energy?

What about the people who make a living with their trucks/cars?

What about the people who work jobs that require them to be in different cities every day? Travelling 100+ miles every day?

What about the airline industry? Truckers?

So these people, inculding people like me, who simply can not afford higher gas prices are just SOL?

You want me to just “fucking deal with it” When I CAN’T? Higher oil prices mean I have to drop out of school. Higher oil prices means I have to stop eating, or stop going to work. Higher oil prices are literally killing me. Fuck you asshole, I know it must be so incredibly lovely to be able to afford gasoline when it hits 8 bucks a gallon, but I can’t.

I hate this retarded attitude of: “Well, it’s just a big shit sandwich, and we all have to take a bite.” NO. YOU take a bite, not me. WE are not in this together. You and I are different people. If you can afford these high energy prices when I can’t, how about YOU take MY bite of this shit sandwich FOR ME?

Of course that ain’t gonna happen, so why don’t you just shut your fucking mouth with your ignorant “deal with it” bullshit.

[quote]lixy wrote:

And if you think the US economy has it bad, you wait for the Gulf states to cash in their American bonds or jump on the Euro’s bandwagon.[/quote]

You see, you’re being shortsighted here. Wounding a bull elephant is usually pretty damnned stupid.

If this happens, our government commences to simply confiscate those bonds, freeze foreign assets, and quite probably invade the perps. Do you realize that the Middle Eastern countries are mostly OUR PARTNERS? You don’t collect interest from ruined countries.

I know that Muslims really don’t care, especially the fanatical ones, as long as America is brought down. If they lose a couple of trillions, they don’t care, as long as ALLAH is glorified. If they get their way, our country will become an outright military dictatorship and those countries will be mostly nuclear wastelands.

Muslims bring this on themselves.

[quote]skaz05 wrote:
What will happen to the working poor who are being priced out of energy?[/quote]

They’ll start building nuclear reactors. And there’s nothing Washington can do about it!

Go electric. I’ve seen my share of people who claim to be making a living with their cars, while driving 8 cylinders.

They’ll find new jobs.

They’ll increase prices.

[quote]So these people, inculding people like me, who simply can not afford higher gas prices are just SOL?

You want me to just “fucking deal with it” When I CAN’T? Higher oil prices mean I have to drop out of school. Higher oil prices means I have to stop eating, or stop going to work. Higher oil prices are literally killing me. Fuck you asshole, I know it must be so incredibly lovely to be able to afford gasoline when it hits 8 bucks a gallon, but I can’t. [/quote]

By your logic, the rest of the world must be starving. In case you didn’t know, gas is currently at 8$ a gallon in Amsterdam.

You don’t see people dropping out of school over that.

[quote]I hate this retarded attitude of: “Well, it’s just a big shit sandwich, and we all have to take a bite.” NO. YOU take a bite, not me. WE are not in this together. You and I are different people. If you can afford these high energy prices when I can’t, how about YOU take MY bite of this shit sandwich FOR ME?

Of course that ain’t gonna happen, so why don’t you just shut your fucking mouth with your ignorant “deal with it” bullshit.[/quote]

Who’s saying “we all have to take a bite”? There are plenty of people who are breaking off the champagne because of these prices.

People will be affected differently, and as usual, the poor are hit the hardest. But you should have thought about that before your government turned Iraq into a shithole and spent a trillion dollars on an unnecessary war. Now, there’s just nothing you can do about it. And being a whiny bitch is not going to help you one iota.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:

And if you think the US economy has it bad, you wait for the Gulf states to cash in their American bonds or jump on the Euro’s bandwagon.

You see, you’re being shortsighted here. Wounding a bull elephant is usually pretty damnned stupid.

If this happens, our government commences to simply confiscate those bonds, freeze foreign assets, and quite probably invade the perps. Do you realize that the Middle Eastern countries are mostly OUR PARTNERS? You don’t collect interest from ruined countries.

I know that Muslims really don’t care, especially the fanatical ones, as long as America is brought down. If they lose a couple of trillions, they don’t care, as long as ALLAH is glorified. If they get their way, our country will become an outright military dictatorship and those countries will be mostly nuclear wastelands.

Muslims bring this on themselves.[/quote]

Hey, nobody forced you to support a Wahabi dictatorship and let your economy depend on their whims!

Remind me who’s “shortsighted” again?

[quote]skaz05 wrote:
What will happen to the working poor who are being priced out of energy?

What about the people who make a living with their trucks/cars?

What about the people who work jobs that require them to be in different cities every day? Travelling 100+ miles every day?

What about the airline industry? Truckers?

So these people, inculding people like me, who simply can not afford higher gas prices are just SOL?

You want me to just “fucking deal with it” When I CAN’T? Higher oil prices mean I have to drop out of school. Higher oil prices means I have to stop eating, or stop going to work. Higher oil prices are literally killing me. Fuck you asshole, I know it must be so incredibly lovely to be able to afford gasoline when it hits 8 bucks a gallon, but I can’t.

I hate this retarded attitude of: “Well, it’s just a big shit sandwich, and we all have to take a bite.” NO. YOU take a bite, not me. WE are not in this together. You and I are different people. If you can afford these high energy prices when I can’t, how about YOU take MY bite of this shit sandwich FOR ME?

Of course that ain’t gonna happen, so why don’t you just shut your fucking mouth with your ignorant “deal with it” bullshit.[/quote]

Liberals rarely consider the consequences of what they propose. They just want look all PC and good — “We’re going to save the whales!” or “We’re going to protect the caribou!” or “The earth will be clicking hot in 40 years!”

They don’t care about people, just about looking good. They happily advocate for a big tax on evil big oil, for ex, never realizing that Big Oil just raises their prices to you.

This is what happens when government gets involved in economics. Scum go into politics so they can exert power over people. A mixed economy is a prelude to totalitarianism.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:

And if you think the US economy has it bad, you wait for the Gulf states to cash in their American bonds or jump on the Euro’s bandwagon.

You see, you’re being shortsighted here. Wounding a bull elephant is usually pretty damnned stupid.

If this happens, our government commences to simply confiscate those bonds, freeze foreign assets, and quite probably invade the perps. Do you realize that the Middle Eastern countries are mostly OUR PARTNERS? You don’t collect interest from ruined countries.

I know that Muslims really don’t care, especially the fanatical ones, as long as America is brought down. If they lose a couple of trillions, they don’t care, as long as ALLAH is glorified. If they get their way, our country will become an outright military dictatorship and those countries will be mostly nuclear wastelands.

Muslims bring this on themselves.

Hey, nobody forced you to support a Wahabi dictatorship and let your economy depend on their whims!

Remind me who’s “shortsighted” again?[/quote]

Environmentalists prevent drilling in USA…USA turns to other sources of oil…other sources are maniacs.

So you’re saying we should have just attacked Saudi Arabia and taken the oil? Lixy, I’m shocked!

I should mention that I drive ~ 500 miles a week. I have been budgeting $240 a month for gas, (which also covers my wife’s driving too,) so I need to adjust that number up.

I do find the price of gas annoying, and want the price to go down.

But can I afford $240 a month? I used to have a $300 a month car payment, and have decided never to have one again. No car payment. I am currently driving a clunker, and so is the wife, so my insurance has shrunk dramatically over full coverage. Even if gas was half of what it is now, that would only be a difference of $120 a month.

But to put it even more into perspective, my wife’s medicine budget is higher then our gas budget. Our budget includes payments to multiple doctors and medical services.

In each of the past 2 years she has had operations that put her on disability which cut her income in half for a little less then a quarter of a year each time.

You think I am going to bitch about $120 - $150 a month in the extra cost of gas?

We haven’t had any significant increase in income, yet we seem to have more money this year then over the past few. Why? No car payment. And this year alone we have paid off enough debt that has eliminated monthly medical payments of at least twice our gas budget. And we plan on wiping out enough debt this month to eliminate another $150 a month in payments.

Go ahead and whine about the high gas prices. But this sure as hell ain’t enough to cause a person to drop out of school. Ride a bike, buy a scooter, dump some freakin debt.

If gas costs an extra $150 a month and that is enough to ruin your budget, the problem is not the price of gas.

[quote]The Mage wrote:

Go ahead and whine about the high gas prices. But this sure as hell ain’t enough to cause a person to drop out of school. Ride a bike, buy a scooter, dump some freakin debt.

If gas costs an extra $150 a month and that is enough to ruin your budget, the problem is not the price of gas.
[/quote]

We have a winner.

Good post.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Hey, nobody forced you to support a Wahabi dictatorship and let your economy depend on their whims!

Remind me who’s “shortsighted” again?[/quote]

I believe it was the British who originally supported the Wahabis to topple the Turks.

Only the US gets it’s oil from the Saudis? When did this start?

[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:

And if you think the US economy has it bad, you wait for the Gulf states to cash in their American bonds or jump on the Euro’s bandwagon.

You see, you’re being shortsighted here. Wounding a bull elephant is usually pretty damnned stupid.

If this happens, our government commences to simply confiscate those bonds, freeze foreign assets, and quite probably invade the perps. Do you realize that the Middle Eastern countries are mostly OUR PARTNERS? You don’t collect interest from ruined countries.

I know that Muslims really don’t care, especially the fanatical ones, as long as America is brought down. If they lose a couple of trillions, they don’t care, as long as ALLAH is glorified. If they get their way, our country will become an outright military dictatorship and those countries will be mostly nuclear wastelands.

Muslims bring this on themselves.

Hey, nobody forced you to support a Wahabi dictatorship and let your economy depend on their whims!

Remind me who’s “shortsighted” again?[/quote]

Don’t you use oil as well? I mean you turn on your lights and you do travel, you Wahabi lover you…

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
The Mage wrote:

Go ahead and whine about the high gas prices. But this sure as hell ain’t enough to cause a person to drop out of school. Ride a bike, buy a scooter, dump some freakin debt.

If gas costs an extra $150 a month and that is enough to ruin your budget, the problem is not the price of gas.

We have a winner.

Good post.[/quote]

Negative. It’s a pretty unintelligent post, actually. First it assumes $1,800/year isn’t a lot of money to the average American (it is).

It also assumes that oil is only used to make petrol (it isn’t). In particular, a higher price for oil will mean a higher price on plastics and a lot of clothing.

[quote]Wimpy wrote:
First it assumes $1,800/year isn’t a lot of money to the average American (it is). [/quote]

Then you might want to do something about the billions your government in throwing around invading other countries and killing innocents.

It seems 72% of Americans don’t know that oil is used to make plastic.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/04/70_of_americans.php

Good. That should teach a few to stop buying the latest sneakers, recycle and manufacturers to use more efficient packaging (I foresee a soft-packaged Surge).

[quote]lixy wrote:
Wimpy wrote:
First it assumes $1,800/year isn’t a lot of money to the average American (it is).

Then you might want to do something about the billions your government in throwing around invading other countries and killing innocents.

[/quote]

Morocco is next, since we’re so evil. We’re going to fire bomb the whole place. Lebanon…Pakistan…Somalia… yep, we’re going to bomb them all.

All the rest will learn by example what happens when you irritate those Nazi Americans.

Of course, all this will be delayed by Myannmar relief and supporting democratically elected governments, like Iraq.

What a fucking moron you are! Jeezzzz…

[quote]lixy wrote:
Wimpy wrote:
First it assumes $1,800/year isn’t a lot of money to the average American (it is).

Then you might want to do something about the billions your government in throwing around invading other countries and killing innocents.

It also assumes that oil is only used to make petrol (it isn’t).

It seems 72% of Americans don’t know that oil is used to make plastic.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/04/70_of_americans.php

In particular, a higher price for oil will mean a higher price on plastics and a lot of clothing.

Good. That should teach a few to stop buying the latest sneakers, recycle and manufacturers to use more efficient packaging (I foresee a soft-packaged Surge).[/quote]

You’d have to buy Biotest products to know how they are packaged.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Wimpy wrote:
First it assumes $1,800/year isn’t a lot of money to the average American (it is).

Then you might want to do something about the billions your government in throwing around invading other countries and killing innocents.

Morocco is next, since we’re so evil. We’re going to fire bomb the whole place. Lebanon…Pakistan…Somalia… yep, we’re going to bomb them all.

All the rest will learn by example what happens when you irritate those Nazi Americans.

Of course, all this will be delayed by Myannmar relief and supporting democratically elected governments, like Iraq.

What a fucking moron you are! Jeezzzz…

[/quote]

I wouldn’t worry about being called evil by somebody who supports pretty much all forms of terror by calling it “Freedom Fighting”. I consider it a compliment.

Evil is as evil does, over 11,000 terror attacks since 9/11. 11,000! Speaks for itself, does it not?

[quote]pat wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Wimpy wrote:
First it assumes $1,800/year isn’t a lot of money to the average American (it is).

Then you might want to do something about the billions your government in throwing around invading other countries and killing innocents.

Morocco is next, since we’re so evil. We’re going to fire bomb the whole place. Lebanon…Pakistan…Somalia… yep, we’re going to bomb them all.

All the rest will learn by example what happens when you irritate those Nazi Americans.

Of course, all this will be delayed by Myannmar relief and supporting democratically elected governments, like Iraq.

What a fucking moron you are! Jeezzzz…

I wouldn’t worry about being called evil by somebody who supports pretty much all forms of terror by calling it “Freedom Fighting”. I consider it a compliment.

Evil is as evil does, over 11,000 terror attacks since 9/11. 11,000! Speaks for itself, does it not?[/quote]

20 wars since WWII.

I think that speaks for itself don´t you?

Just saying that these one liners work both ways.

What were the 20 wars?

Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I and Iraq.

I count four.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
What were the 20 wars?

Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I and Iraq.

I count four. [/quote]

You can pick out the “incidents” you want to call a war.

If you are a big believer in government propaganda please to not forget the wars on drugs/terrorism/poverty.

And feel free to use the generous definition the US use when America feels “attacked”.

Korean Conflict. The United States responded to North Korean invasion of South Korea by going to its assistance, pursuant to United Nations Security Council resolutions. US forces deployed in Korea exceeded 300,000 during the last year of the conflict. Over 36,600 US military were killed in action.[RL30172]

1950-55 – Formosa (Taiwan). In June 1950 at the beginning of the Korean War, President Truman ordered the US Seventh Fleet to prevent Chinese Communist attacks upon Formosa and Chinese Nationalist operations against mainland China.[RL30172]

1954-55 – China. Naval units evacuated US civilians and military personnel from the Tachen Islands.[RL30172]

1955-64 – Vietnam. First military advisors sent to Vietnam on 12 Feb 1955. By 1964, US troop levels had grown to 21,000. On 7 August 1964. On 7 August 1964, US Congress approved Gulf of Tonkin resolution affirming “All necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States. . .to prevent further aggression. . . (and) assist any member or protocol state of the Southeast Asian Collective Defense Treaty (SEATO) requesting assistance. . .”[Vietnam timeline]

1956 – Egypt. A marine battalion evacuated US nationals and other persons from Alexandria during the Suez crisis.[RL30172]

1958 – Lebanon. Lebanon crisis of 1958 Marines were landed in Lebanon at the invitation of President Camille Chamoun to help protect against threatened insurrection supported from the outside. The President’s action was supported by a Congressional resolution passed in 1957 that authorized such actions in that area of the world.[RL30172]

[edit] 1960-1969

1959-60 – The Caribbean. Second Marine Ground Task Force was deployed to protect US nationals following the Cuban revolution.[RL30172]

1962 – Thailand. The Third Marine Expeditionary Unit landed on May 17, 1962 to support that country during the threat of Communist pressure from outside; by July 30, the 5,000 marines had been withdrawn.[RL30172]

1962 – Cuba. Cuban Missile Crisis On October 22, President Kennedy instituted a “quarantine” on the shipment of offensive missiles to Cuba from the Soviet Union. He also warned Soviet Union that the launching of any missile from Cuba against nations in the Western Hemisphere would bring about US nuclear retaliation on the Soviet Union. A negotiated settlement was achieved in a few days.[RL30172]

1962-75 – Laos. From October 1962 until 1975, the United States played an important role in military support of anti-Communist forces in Laos.[RL30172]

1964 – Congo (Zaire). The United States sent four transport planes to provide airlift for Congolese troops during a rebellion and to transport Belgian paratroopers to rescue foreigners.[RL30172]

1959-75 – Vietnam War. US military advisers had been in South Vietnam for a decade, and their numbers had been increased as the military position of the Saigon government became weaker. After citing what he termed were attacks on US destroyers in the Tonkin Gulf, President Johnson asked in August 1964 for a resolution expressing US determination to support freedom and protect peace in Southeast Asia. Congress responded with the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, expressing support for “all necessary measures” the President might take to repel armed attacks against US forces and prevent further aggression. Following this resolution, and following a Communist attack on a US installation in central Vietnam, the United States escalated its participation in the war to a peak of 543,000 military personnel by April 1969.[RL30172]

1965 – Dominican Republic. Invasion of Dominican Republic The United States intervened to protect lives and property during a Dominican revolt and sent 20,000 US troops as fears grew that the revolutionary forces were coming increasingly under Communist control.[RL30172]

1967 – Congo (Zaire). The United States sent three military transport aircraft with crews to provide the Congo central government with logistical support during a revolt.[RL30172]

1968 – Laos & Cambodia. U.S. starts secret bombing campaign against targets along the Ho Chi Minh trail in the sovereign nations of Cambodia and Laos. The bombings last at least two years. (See Operation Commando Hunt)

[edit] 1970-1979

1970 – Cambodia. US troops were ordered into Cambodia to clean out Communist sanctuaries from which Viet Cong and North Vietnamese attacked US and South Vietnamese forces in Vietnam. The object of this attack, which lasted from April 30 to June 30, was to ensure the continuing safe withdrawal of American forces from South Vietnam and to assist the program of Vietnamization.[RL30172]

1973 – Operation Nickel Grass, a strategic airlift operation conducted by the United States to deliver weapons and supplies to Israel during the Yom Kippur War.

1974 – Evacuation from Cyprus. United States naval forces evacuated US civilians during hostilities between Turkish and Greek Cypriot forces.[RL30172]

1975 – Evacuation from Vietnam. On April 3, 1975, President Ford reported US naval vessels, helicopters, and Marines had been sent to assist in evacuation of refugees and US nationals from Vietnam.[RL30172]

1975 – Evacuation from Cambodia. On April 12, 1975, President Ford reported that he had ordered US military forces to proceed with the planned evacuation of US citizens from Cambodia.[RL30172]

1975 – South Vietnam. On April 30 1975, President Ford reported that a force of 70 evacuation helicopters and 865 Marines had evacuated about 1,400 US citizens and 5,500 third country nationals and South Vietnamese from landing zones near the US Embassy in Saigon and the Tan Son Nhut Airfield.[RL30172]

1975 – Cambodia. Mayagüez Incident. On May 15, 1975, President Ford reported he had ordered military forces to retake the SS Mayaguez, a merchant vessel which was seized from Cambodian naval patrol boats in international waters and forced to proceed to a nearby island.[RL30172]

1976 – Lebanon. On July 22 and 23, 1974, helicopters from five US naval vessels evacuated approximately 250 Americans and Europeans from Lebanon during fighting between Lebanese factions after an overland convoy evacuation had been blocked by hostilities.[RL30172]

1976 – Korea. Additional forces were sent to Korea after two American soldiers were killed by North Korean soldiers in the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea while cutting down a tree.[RL30172]

1978 – Zaire (Congo). From May 19 through June 1978, the United States utilized military transport aircraft to provide logistical support to Belgian and French rescue operations in Zaire.[RL30172]

[edit] 1980-1990

1980 – Iran. Operation Eagle Claw On April 26, 1980, President Carter reported the use of six US transport planes and eight helicopters in an unsuccessful attempt to rescue American hostages being held in Iran.[RL30172]

1981 – El Salvador. After a guerrilla offensive against the government of El Salvador, additional US military advisers were sent to El Salvador, bringing the total to approximately 55, to assist in training government forces in counterinsurgency.[RL30172]

1981 --Libya. First Gulf of Sidra Incident On August 19, 1981, US planes based on the carrier USS Nimitz shot down two Libyan jets over the Gulf of Sidra after one of the Libyan jets had fired a heat-seeking missile. The United States periodically held freedom of navigation exercises in the Gulf of Sidra, claimed by Libya as territorial waters but considered international waters by the United States.[RL30172]

1982 – Sinai. On March 19, 1982, President Reagan reported the deployment of military personnel and equipment to participate in the Multinational Force and Observers in the Sinai. Participation had been authorized by the Multinational Force and Observers Resolution, Public Law 97-132.[RL30172]

1982 – Lebanon. Multinational Force in Lebanon On August 21, 1982, President Reagan reported the dispatch of 80 marines to serve in the multinational force to assist in the withdrawal of members of the Palestine Liberation force from Beirut. The Marines left September 20, 1982.[RL30172]

1982-1983 – Lebanon. On September 29, 1982, President Reagan reported the deployment of 1200 marines to serve in a temporary multinational force to facilitate the restoration of Lebanese government sovereignty. On Sept. 29, 1983, Congress passed the Multinational Force in Lebanon Resolution (P.L. 98-119) authorizing the continued participation for eighteen months.[RL30172]

1983 – Egypt. After a Libyan plane bombed a city in Sudan on March 18, 1983, and Sudan and Egypt appealed for assistance, the United States dispatched an AWACS electronic surveillance plane to Egypt.[RL30172]

1983 – Grenada. Citing the increased threat of Soviet and Cuban influence and noting the development of an international airport following a bloodless Grenada coup d’etat and alignment with the Soviets and Cuba, the U.S. launches Operation Urgent Fury to invade the sovereign island nation of Grenada.[RL30172]

1983-89 – Honduras. In July 1983 the United States undertook a series of exercises in Honduras that some believed might lead to conflict with Nicaragua. On March 25, 1986, unarmed US military helicopters and crewmen ferried Honduran troops to the Nicaraguan border to repel Nicaraguan troops.[RL30172]

1983 – Chad. On August 8, 1983, President Reagan reported the deployment of two AWACS electronic surveillance planes and eight F-15 fighter planes and ground logistical support forces to assist Chad against Libyan and rebel forces.[RL30172]

1984 – Persian Gulf. On June 5, 1984, Saudi Arabian jet fighter planes, aided by intelligence from a US AWACS electronic surveillance aircraft and fueled by a U.S. KC-10 tanker, shot down two Iranian fighter planes over an area of the Persian Gulf proclaimed as a protected zone for shipping.[RL30172]

1985 – Italy. On October 10, 1985, US Navy pilots intercepted an Egyptian airliner and forced it to land in Sicily. The airliner was carrying the hijackers of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro who had killed an American citizen during the hijacking.[RL30172]

1986 – Libya. Libyan Patrol Boats On March 26, 1986, President Reagan reported on March 24 and 25, US forces, while engaged in freedom of navigation exercises around the Gulf of Sidra, had been attacked by Libyan missiles and the United States had responded with missiles.[RL30172]

1986 – Libya. Operation El Dorado Canyon On April 16, 1986, President Reagan reported that U.S. air and naval forces had conducted bombing strikes on terrorist facilities and military installations in the Libyan capitol of Tripoli, claiming that Libyan leader Col. Muammar al-Gaddafi was responsible for a bomb attack at a German disco that killed two U.S. soldiers.[RL30172]

1986 – Bolivia. U.S. Army personnel and aircraft assisted Bolivia in anti-drug operations.[RL30172]

1987-88 – Persian Gulf. After the Iran-Iraq War resulted in several military incidents in the Persian Gulf, the United States increased US joint military forces operations in the Persian Gulf and adopted a policy of reflagging and escorting Kuwaiti oil tankers through the Gulf, called Operation Earnest Will. President Reagan reported that US ships had been fired upon or struck mines or taken other military action on September 21 (Iran Ajr), October 8, and October 19, 1987 and April 18 (Operation Praying Mantis), July 3, and July 14, 1988. The United States gradually reduced its forces after a cease-fire between Iran and Iraq on August 20, 1988.[RL30172] It was the largest naval convoy operation since World War II.[3]

1987-88 – Operation Earnest Will was the U.S. military protection of Kuwaiti oil tankers from Iraqi and Iranian attacks in 1987 and 1988 during the Tanker War phase of the Iran-Iraq War. It was the largest naval convoy operation since World War II.

1987-88 – Operation Prime Chance was a United States Special Operations Command operation intended to protect U.S. -flagged oil tankers from Iranian attack during the Iran-Iraq War. The operation took place roughly at the same time as Operation Earnest Will.

1988 – Operation Praying Mantis was the April 18, 1988 action waged by U.S. naval forces in retaliation for the Iranian mining of the Persian Gulf and the subsequent damage to an American warship.

1988 – Operation Golden Pheasant was an emergency deployment of U.S. troops to Honduras in 1988, as a result of threatening actions by the forces of the (then socialist) Nicaraguans.

1988 – USS Vincennes shoot down of Iran Air Flight 655

1988 – Panama. In mid-March and April 1988, during a period of instability in Panama and as the United States increased pressure on Panamanian head of state General Manuel Noriega to resign, the United States sent 1,000 troops to Panama, to “further safeguard the canal, US lives, property and interests in the area.” The forces supplemented 10,000 US military personnel already in the Panama Canal Zone.[RL30172]

1989 – Libya. Second Gulf of Sidra Incident On January 4, 1989, two US Navy F-14 aircraft based on the USS John F. Kennedy shot down two Libyan jet fighters over the Mediterranean Sea about 70 miles north of Libya. The US pilots said the Libyan planes had demonstrated hostile intentions.[RL30172]

1989 – Panama. On May 11, 1989, in response to General Noriega’s disregard of the results of the Panamanian election, President Bush ordered a brigade-sized force of approximately 1,900 troops to augment the estimated 11,000 U.S. forces already in the area.[RL30172]

1989 – Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru. Andean Initiative in War on Drugs. On September 15, 1989, President Bush announced that military and law enforcement assistance would be sent to help the Andean nations of Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru combat illicit drug producers and traffickers. By mid-September there were 50-100 US military advisers in Colombia in connection with transport and training in the use of military equipment, plus seven Special Forces teams of 2-12 persons to train troops in the three countries.[RL30172]

1989 – Philippines. On December 2, 1989, President Bush reported that on December 1 US fighter planes from Clark Air Base in the Philippines had assisted the Aquino government to repel a coup attempt. In addition, 100 marines were sent from the US Navy base at Subic Bay to protect the US Embassy in Manila.[RL30172]

1989-90 – Panama. Operation Just Cause On December 21, 1989, the U.S. invades the sovereign nation of Panama to “further safeguard the canal, US lives, property and interests in the area.” Around 200 Panamanian civilians were reported killed. The Panamanian head of state, General Manuel Noriega, is captured and brought to the U.S. By February 13, 1990, all the invasion forces had been withdrawn.[RL30172]

1990 – Liberia. On August 6, 1990, President Bush reported that a reinforced rifle company had been sent to provide additional security to the US Embassy in Monrovia, and that helicopter teams had evacuated US citizens from Liberia.[RL30172]

1990 – Saudi Arabia. On August 9, 1990, President Bush reported that he had ordered the forward deployment of substantial elements of the US armed forces into the Persian Gulf region to help defend Saudi Arabia after the August 2 invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. On November 16, 1990, he reported the continued buildup of the forces to ensure an adequate offensive military option.[RL30172]

[edit] 1991-1999

1991 – Iraq. Persian Gulf War On January 16 America attacked Iraqi forces and military targets in Iraq and Kuwait, in conjunction with a coalition of allies and UN Security Council resolutions. Combat operations ended on February 28, 1991. (See Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm)[RL30172]

1991 – Iraq. On May 17, 1991, President Bush stated that the Iraqi repression of the Kurdish people had necessitated a limited introduction of US forces into northern Iraq for emergency relief purposes.[RL30172]

1991 – Zaire. On September 25-27, 1991, after widespread looting and rioting broke out in Kinshasa, US Air Force C-141s transported 100 Belgian troops and equipment into Kinshasa. US planes also carried 300 French troops into the Central African Republic and hauled evacuated American citizens.[RL30172]

1991-96 – Operation Provide Comfort. Delivery of humanitarian relief and military protection for Kurds fleeing their homes in northern Iraq, by a small Allied ground force based in Turkey.

1992 – Sierra Leone. On May 3, 1992, US military planes evacuated Americans from Sierra Leone, where military leaders had overthrown the government.[RL30172]

1992 – Kuwait. On August 3, 1992, the United States began a series of military exercises in Kuwait, following Iraqi refusal to recognize a new border drawn up by the United Nations and refusal to cooperate with UN inspection teams.[RL30172]

1992-2003 – Iraq. Iraqi No-Fly Zones The U.S. together with the United Kingdom declares and enforces “no fly zones” over the majority of sovereign Iraqi airspace, prohibiting Iraqi flights in zones in southern Iraq and northern Iraq, and conducting aerial reconnaissance and bombings.[RL30172]

1992-95 – Somalia. “Operation Restore Hope” Somali Civil War On December 10, 1992, President Bush reported that he had deployed US armed forces to Somalia in response to a humanitarian crisis and a UN Security Council Resolution. The operation came to an end on May 4, 1993. US forces continued to participate in the successor United Nations Operation in Somalia (UNOSOM II). (See also Battle of Mogadishu)[RL30172]

1993-Present – Bosnia-Herzegovina.

1993 – Macedonia. On July 9, 1993, President Clinton reported the deployment of 350 US soldiers to the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to participate in the UN Protection Force to help maintain stability in the area of former Yugoslavia.[RL30172]

1993-95 – Haiti. Operation Uphold Democracy US ships had begun embargo against Haiti. Up to 20,000 US military troops were later deployed to Haiti.[RL30172]

1994 – Macedonia. On April 19, 1994, President Clinton reported that the US contingent in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia had been increased by a reinforced company of 200 personnel.[RL30172]

1995 – Bosnia. NATO bombing of Bosnian Serbs.[RL30172] (See Operation Deliberate Force)

1996 – Liberia. On April 11, 1996, President Clinton reported that on April 9, 1996 due to the “deterioration of the security situation and the resulting threat to American citizens” in Liberia he had ordered US military forces to evacuate from that country “private US citizens and certain third-country nationals who had taken refuge in the US Embassy compound…”[RL30172]

1996 – Central African Republic. On May 23, 1996, President Clinton reported the deployment of US military personnel to Bangui, Central African Republic, to conduct the evacuation from that country of “private US citizens and certain U.S. Government employees,” and to provide “enhanced security for the American Embassy in Bangui.”[RL30172]

1997 – Albania. On March 13, 1997, US military forces were used to evacuate certain U.S. Government employees and private US citizens from Tirana, Albania.[RL30172]

1997 – Congo and Gabon. On March 27, 1997, President Clinton reported on March 25, 1997, a standby evacuation force of US military personnel had been deployed to Congo and Gabon to provide enhanced security and to be available for any necessary evacuation operation.[RL30172]

1997 – Sierra Leone. On May 29 and May 30, 1997, US military personnel were deployed to Freetown, Sierra Leone, to prepare for and undertake the evacuation of certain US government employees and private US citizens.[RL30172]

1997 – Cambodia. On July 11, 1997, In an effort to ensure the security of American citizens in Cambodia during a period of domestic conflict there, a Task Force of about 550 US military personnel were deployed at Utapao Air Base in Thailand for possible evacuations. [RL30172]

1998 – Iraq. US-led bombing campaign against Iraq.[RL30172] (See Operation Desert Fox)

1998 – Guinea-Bissau. On June 10, 1998, in response to an army mutiny in Guinea-Bissau endangering the US Embassy, President Clinton deployed a standby evacuation force of US military personnel to Dakar, Senegal, to evacuate from the city of Bissau.[RL30172]

1998 - 1999 Kenya and Tanzania. US military personnel were deployed to Nairobi, Kenya, to coordinate the medical and disaster assistance related to the bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. [RL30172]

1998 – Afghanistan and Sudan. Operation Infinite Reach On August 20th, air strikes were used against two suspected terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and a suspected chemical factory in Sudan.[RL30172]

1998 – Liberia. On September 27, 1998 America deployed a stand-by response and evacuation force of 30 US military personnel to increase the security force at the US Embassy in Monrovia.[RL30172]

1999 - 2001 East Timor. East Timor Independence Limited number of US military forces deployed with UN to restore peace to East Timor.[RL30172]

1999 – NATO’s bombing of Serbia in the Kosovo Conflict.[RL30172] (See Operation Allied Force)

[edit] 2000- present

2000 – Sierra Leone. On May 12, 2000 a US Navy patrol craft deployed to Sierra Leone to support evacuation operations from that country if needed.[RL30172]

2000 – Yemen. On October 12, 2000, after the USS Cole attack in the port of Aden, Yemen, military personnel were deployed to Aden.[RL30172]

2000 – East Timor. On February 25, 2000, a small number of U.S. military personnel were deployed to support of the United Nations Transitional Administration in East Timor (UNTAET). [RL30172]

2001 – September 11 terrorist attacks-New York World Trade Center, Washington Pentagon, Shanksville plane crashes

2001 – Afghanistan. US invasion of Afghanistan. The War on Terrorism begins with Operation Enduring Freedom. On October 7, 2001, US Armed Forces “began combat action in Afghanistan against Al Qaida terrorists and their Taliban supporters.”[RL30172]

2002 – Yemen. On November 3, 2002, an American MQ-1 Predator fired a Hellfire missile at a car in Yemen killing Qaed Senyan al-Harthi, an al-Qaeda leader thought to be responsible for the USS Cole bombing.[RL30172]

2002 – Philippines. January 2002 U.S. “combat-equipped and combat support forces” have been deployed to the Philippines to train with, assist and advise the Philippines’ Armed Forces in enhancing their “counterterrorist capabilities.”[RL30172]

2002 – Cote d’Ivoire. On September 25, 2002, in response to a rebellion in Cote d’Ivoire, US military personnel went into Cote d’Ivoire to assist in the evacuation of American citizens from Bouake.[4] [RL30172]

2003 – 2003 invasion of Iraq Second Persian Gulf War. March 20, 2003. The United States leads a coalition that includes Britain, Australia and Spain to invade Iraq with the stated goal of eliminating Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.[RL30172]

2003 – Liberia. Second Liberian Civil War On June 9, 2003, President Bush reported that on June 8 he had sent about 35 combat-equipped US military personnel into Monrovia, Liberia, to help secure the US Embassy in Nouakchott, Mauritania, and to aid in any necessary evacuation from either Liberia or Mauritania.[RL30172]

2003 – Georgia and Djibouti “US combat equipped and support forces” had been deployed to Georgia and Djibouti to help in enhancing their “counterterrorist capabilities.”[5]

2004 – 2004 Haïti rebellion occurs. The US sent first sent 55 combat equipped military personnel to augment the US Embassy security forces there and to protect American citizens and property in light. Later 200 additional US combat-equipped, military personnel were sent to prepare the way for a UN Multinational Interim Force.[RL30172]

2004 – “War on Terrorism”: US “anti-terror” related activities were underway in Georgia, Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia, Yemen, and Eritrea.[6]

2006 – Pakistan. 17 people including known Al Qaeda bomb maker and chemical weapons expert Midhat Mursi, were killed in an American MQ-1 Predator airstrike on Damadola (Pakistan), near the Afghan border.[7][8]

2006 – Lebanon. US Marine Detachment, the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit[citation needed], begins evacuation of US citizens willing to the leave the country in the face of a likely ground invasion by Israel and continued fighting between Hezbollah and the Israeli military.[9][10]

2007 – Somalia. Battle of Ras Kamboni. On January 8, 2007, while the conflict between the Islamic Courts Union and the Transitional Federal Government continues, an AC-130 gunship conducts an aerial strike on a suspected Al-Qaeda operative, along with other Islamist fighters, on Badmadow Island near Ras Kamboni in southern Somalia.[citation needed]

So everytime a shot is fired or military is involved it is a war?

Hauling people out of warzones is considered a war?

Reinforcing an embattled Embassy is a war?

Using military aircraft to transport people is a war?

Ferrying soldiers in an UNARMED helecopter is a war?

Deployment of troops to protect civilians in a hostile country is a war?

edit- did you even bother to read what you posted?

edit # 2: I can pick out the incidents I want to call a war?

I already did: FOUR.

edit- forgot about Bosnia. . . better make that FIVE.