Ohio State v. LSU

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SEC top to bottom is so brutal that a two loss SEC team should get in over a bullshit team like Hawaii or Kansas or even Ohio St, Plug any of these teams in the SEC and they would be lucky to get to .500 in conference, the good thing about the big 10 is that Mich just got Rich Rodriguez and he will be bringing the Spread to a conference that still plays 1950’s football. Look at the freaking coaches in the SEC and get real, almost half of the leagues coaches have national championships.

FYI (Spurrier, Fulmer, Meyer, Saban, <----have national championships; Tuberville and Auburn went undefeated a few years ago and got shafted, and Les Miles very well could get one this year) then throw in Bobby Petrino and Mark Richt. The SEC should merge with the NFL.

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I wouldnt have minded Arkansas moving to the Big 12 south before we jumped in the SEC, but no way in hell we go now. I am happy that Ark and Tex Longhorns have finally put each other back on the schedule for the next two years and in 2009 Ark gets TX AM on the schedule too. Our schedule in 2009 is sick (Florida, Georgia, Texas, Texas AM, LSU, Bama, Auburn, South Carolina)

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Baylor was included in the Big XII because the Texas Governor at the time was Ann Richards, a Baylor grad. She threatened to do something ugly to somebody if Baylor was not included in the new conference. Something about cutting off funding to the state universities if BU was left out.

I can’t remember the finer details, but that was the gist of it.

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I’m pretty tired of hearing about the SEC.

Here’s a newsflash: The SEC isn’t nearly as good as their fans think!

Their fans make it sound like SEC players are seven feet tall, and shoot fire from their eyes and lightning from their ass.

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Being tired of hearing something doesnt make it false.

The SEC has sent more players to the NFL since its inception than any other conference. (also has the most 1st rounders)

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Oh bullshit. The SEC is the most over rated conference in college football. They all play each other and all beat the shit out of each other. Dont get me wrong, there are some choice teams in the SEC, but you find those in every conference. What I see is usually the fans of the weaker SEC schools (ie- South Carolina, Vandy, Alabama) are the ones talking the most shit about how awesome their conference is and THATS why they cant win football games.

Maybe Im a little bitter because I have to hear South Carolina fans whine about how hard the SEC is compared to the ACC (and, dont get me wrong, Im not disputing that at all). All of this talking about whose conference is stronger really equates to nothing in the end. Being in the better conference doesnt mean anything if youre losing to the weaker conference.

Sorry, I just couldnt stand seeing all of this SEC taint-bathing without throwing in my .02.

By the way, LSU by at least 2 TD’s.

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I really hate all this conference talk. The SEC is the best conference, but they are not a super-conference.

-an unbiased college football fan

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[quote]tedro wrote:
I really hate all this conference talk. The SEC is the best conference, but they are not a super-conference.

-an unbiased college football fan[/quote]

My sentiments exactly.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Baylor was included in the Big XII because the Texas Governor at the time was Ann Richards, a Baylor grad. She threatened to do something ugly to somebody if Baylor was not included in the new conference. Something about cutting off funding to the state universities if BU was left out.

I can’t remember the finer details, but that was the gist of it.[/quote]

That’s not correct. G-Dub was the governor when the Big 12 was formed. I doubt it had anything to do with Ann Richards.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Baylor was included in the Big XII because the Texas Governor at the time was Ann Richards, a Baylor grad. She threatened to do something ugly to somebody if Baylor was not included in the new conference. Something about cutting off funding to the state universities if BU was left out.

I can’t remember the finer details, but that was the gist of it.

That’s not correct. G-Dub was the governor when the Big 12 was formed. I doubt it had anything to do with Ann Richards. [/quote]

She was not in office when the Big XII began play in 1996, but she was when the Big XII was being formed in the years prior to that. Her tenure ended in Jan 1995.

She didn’t want Baylor to fade into oblivion the way Rice, Houston, and TCU did after the SWC died, so she made sure they got into the Big XII.

Ann Richards strong arming Baylor into the conference is an infamous nugget of early Big XII history. I’m not going to look for a link right at this moment, but it’s a well-known (or semi well-known, I guess) story.

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Alright, maybe I should’ve called it ‘folklore’ rather than ‘history’.

[i]Richards informed but wasn’t a driving force

One of the biggest misconceptions about the breakup of the Southwest Conference was that former Texas Gov. Ann Richards used her political clout to push Baylor into the Big 12. Those close to loquacious Baylor graduate say that just isn’t true.

“She just was not involved to any great degree in working that out,” said Richards’ former chief of staff, John Fainter. “I’d have to say she was informed, but she wasn’t pounding the table or anything like that.”

Bill Cryer, Richards’ former spokesman, said Richards always thought it was funny that people assumed she bent over backward to help Baylor.

"I remember her chuckling about it saying, ‘I can’t imagine they think I would do that,’ " Cryer said. “But you know how football fans are. They see want they want to see.”

Richards is recovering from cancer treatment and could not be reached for comment. [/i]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/083006dnspobaylortcusf.4bf22e33.html

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Bush was a two term Governor. I don’t think Richards was even in office in 1995. I think her term ended in '94.

But I’ll defer to anyone that has read a history book in the last 10 years.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
tom63 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
tom63 wrote:

You know, the south didn’t invent football, win the civil war, etc. There are good teams everywhere.

Just not in the Big 10

PSU was an independent until money, bowl money, forced them to whore out to the highest bidder.

Ughh, there are a lot of teams in conferences if you haven’t noticed. Are they all whores? Joining a conference was practically a necessity in the early nineties.

As far as I know - Notre Dame is the only school who has not given in to joining a conference. There used to be a bunch of schools that were independents. PSU, Pitt, and ND have all won National Championships as independents.

Like you say, it’s just the way it is - money. PSU went with the best bet for making money, and that was to go to the Big-10 over the Big East, or the ACC.

I wasn’t slamming them, just stating a fact.

I can’t really consider Penn State as a member of the Big-10. It just makes me feel dirty.

But lest you think I am picking on your Lions - The Southwest Conference had to completely disband and go groveling to the Big-8, and they only took 4 schools.

[/quote]

Nope not thinking you’re picking on them at all. One of the problems with PSU joining the big ten is that your attitude, I think, is shared by many big ten officials. why is a league with 11 teams called the big ten.

I could go on about this for hours, and it works better with beer and pretzels.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
SEC top to bottom is so brutal that a two loss SEC team should get in over a bullshit team like Hawaii or Kansas or even Ohio St, Plug any of these teams in the SEC and they would be lucky to get to .500 in conference, the good thing about the big 10 is that Mich just got Rich Rodriguez and he will be bringing the Spread to a conference that still plays 1950’s football. Look at the freaking coaches in the SEC and get real, almost half of the leagues coaches have national championships.

FYI (Spurrier, Fulmer, Meyer, Saban, <----have national championships; Tuberville and Auburn went undefeated a few years ago and got shafted, and Les Miles very well could get one this year) then throw in Bobby Petrino and Mark Richt. The SEC should merge with the NFL.[/quote]

You must be from the south. They still lost the war, btw.

Carr, who left, Paterno and Tressel have won MNCs. I don’t see having one more coach winning won as of a month ago is a big deal. Oh, Paterno got shafted 4 yimes going undefeated.

This conference crap is crap. There needs to be a playoff system to settle it on the field. Everyone thinks their dog is the biggest, so you need to settle it on the field.

BTW, Paterno is 3-0 against Big Phil.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
rainjack wrote:
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I hate to say it, but Texas Tech fucked up the best shot we had at a decent Championship game when they schooled OU. But there again - from the middle up - the Big 12 is too strong to escape hurting itself.

A 7-point home win after OU loses their QB on the first snap of the ballgame is a schooling?[/quote]

You didn’t see the game, evidently. Tech made the OU defense look like shit, and yes - OU got schooled.

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One point about this conference is better that conference stuff is these bowl games are played in warm climates.

I’d welcome you southern boys to Beaver Stadium any January first you’d like to visit, hahahaha!

Hint, us cold weather folk think southerners are candyasses about the cold. Now just imagine a playoff series with home filed advantage for the top seeds in the first two rounds of a sixteen team playoff. That would be interesting.

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I just love how people like to discredit everything OSU does and considers them lesser then a D3 school. When people hate on you this bad then you know you are good. You can say what you want about the big ten being weak and all but you can’t argue with stats.

Ohio state and USC both have the same BCS bowl record at 4-1

Ohio State is making its 3rd BCS appearance in 6 years. In those 6 years the only one who’s close to matching that BCS title appearance is USC with 2.

This year OSU was picked to finish 4th in the Big Ten, they made the title game in a rebuilding year. Say what you want about how this season went but I consider that impressive.

Having your bias sway you to the conclusion that “OSU is teh sux” is one thing, but to look at facts that say they are pretty much on par with USC in terms of most successful team in the 21st century and still say they are “teh sux” is just delusional and makes me question your college football knowledge.

The Big Ten is weak I will give you that, but when OSU shows up to Bowl Games, odds are they are going to win. (and yes they got blown out by Florida, but other then that game what other bowl game can you say that got blown out in? oh wait, getting beaten by 3 points to you is “schooled”)

I despise michigan, USC, LSU, Texas, and Oklahoma but I will give them that they are good teams with good programs.

Bottom line is, OSU is a great team- deal with it.

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“You must be from the south. They still lost the war, btw.”

Clearly has a lot to do with football.

“Hint, us cold weather folk think southerners are candyasses about the cold. Now just imagine a playoff series with home filed advantage for the top seeds in the first two rounds of a sixteen team playoff. That would be interesting.”

This is such a weak point, I have no prob with the homefield advantage thing, but for fucksake both teams play in the same condition weather wise so thats lame.

I do agree that we need a playoff big time.

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OSU is a very good team, but its way too easy to make it to a BCS game out of the Big 10, and please get a conference title game.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
OSU is a very good team, but its way too easy to make it to a BCS game out of the Big 10, and please get a conference title game.[/quote]

you could say the same for the big east too.