I really don’t understand some of you guys.
It REEKS of reaching when you try and justify that cop’s actions by wondering what may have happened prior to the video, or similar arguments.
Even if the kid was smartmouthed before he knew how serious the officer was, what he endured at the hands of that fucking retarded ape was not necessary.
Since when does physical abuse result in respect, anyway?
dude i had no idea this is how Rob & Big got started.
lol@Big tackling a security guard.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
I really don’t understand some of you guys.
It REEKS of reaching when you try and justify that cop’s actions by wondering what may have happened prior to the video, or similar arguments.
Even if the kid was smartmouthed before he knew how serious the officer was, what he endured at the hands of that fucking retarded ape was not necessary.
Since when does physical abuse result in respect, anyway? [/quote]
Don’t get me wrong… the officer could have handled it better. He might even have been wrong in this circumstance. My position is not that what he did was unequivocally right, but that it is easy to apply hindsight to a police officer’s actions, and that what he did on the video is nowhere near what some of you are making it out to be. The kid didn’t “endure” much of anything. There was no beating, and he wasn’t taken to jail.
Not to mention the fact that this was a minor child out unsupervised.
I know, I know, the majority opinion is that children ought to be treated like adults and trusted to their inerrant senses of right and wrong. My mistake.
[quote]Stuntman Mike wrote:
Attacking the cop would be the very last thing on my mind.
Like Nich said, he can do whatever the fuck he wants, and if you as much as push him, he can cry that you were assaulting a police officer. Whose side are they going to take in court?[/quote]
That’s why you don’t let it go to court, you finish it there and make sure they dont find the body
just kidding
…kinda.
In all seriousness tho, we went through this whole debate on the marunde board as well. The people defending the cops actions are out to lunch. I’m absolutely shocked that neph seems to be saying that there may be more to it than we know. In this instance no amount of mitigating circumstance justifies the reaction.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
I’m absolutely shocked that neph seems to be saying that there may be more to it than we know. In this instance no amount of mitigating circumstance justifies the reaction.
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I don’t think I ever said that his actions were “justified.” I would like to think I would’ve handled the situation differently, had I been in his position.
What I doubt, however, is that his actions were criminal. And there is a big difference. One ought not conflate “asshole” with “criminal.”
Part of a police officer’s job is public relations. His actions were a failure, in that respect. But the child was not harmed, and the seizure of the skateboard may have been reasonable.
I refuse to pretend that this is some horrific example of police brutality.
Also… keep in mind that when the video of the college student being tazered repeatedly in a university library was being circulated, my response then was that if the circumstances were as they seemed to be, the mob of people should have overwhelmed the officers.
I am no “boot licker,” nor do I think that the police deserve unqualified respect and obedience.
But when you go around making mountains out of mole-hills - which this appears, to me, to be - it discredits any attempts to point out the genuine dangers of the police power, such as legal arms being confiscated in New Orleans.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
Don’t get me wrong… the officer could have handled it better. He might even have been wrong in this circumstance. My position is not that what he did was unequivocally right, but that it is easy to apply hindsight to a police officer’s actions, and that what he did on the video is nowhere near what some of you are making it out to be. The kid didn’t “endure” much of anything. There was no beating, and he wasn’t taken to jail.
Not to mention the fact that this was a minor child out unsupervised.
I know, I know, the majority opinion is that children ought to be treated like adults and trusted to their inerrant senses of right and wrong. My mistake.[/quote]
You emphasize my use of the word endure almost condescendingly, but you weren’t that kid. You aren’t a kid. You don’t know what it felt like to be bullied like that, or if you did at one time, you’ve forgotten.
If your position is one of a generic nature and not specific to this example, you didn’t make that clear enough.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
You emphasize my use of the word endure almost condescendingly, but you weren’t that kid. You aren’t a kid. You don’t know what it felt like to be bullied like that, or if you did at one time, you’ve forgotten.
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Not condescendingly… I just think it is a bit melodramatic. I do know what it feels like to be bullied, and I do remember it. And I remember getting chewed out by adults in ways that were not entirely appropriate. But on a scale of 1 to 10, (1 being a minor hardship, like forgetting one’s lunch money, and 10 being a major hardship, like being beaten severely or worse), I think this rated about a 2 or a 2.5.
Those kids know that skating their is not legal so DON’T do it simple as that you Fuck with the Bull you get the horns!
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Don’t get me wrong… the officer could have handled it better. He might even have been wrong in this circumstance. My position is not that what he did was unequivocally right, but that it is easy to apply hindsight to a police officer’s actions, and that what he did on the video is nowhere near what some of you are making it out to be. The kid didn’t “endure” much of anything. There was no beating, and he wasn’t taken to jail.
Not to mention the fact that this was a minor child out unsupervised.
I know, I know, the majority opinion is that children ought to be treated like adults and trusted to their inerrant senses of right and wrong. My mistake.
You emphasize my use of the word endure almost condescendingly, but you weren’t that kid. You aren’t a kid. You don’t know what it felt like to be bullied like that, or if you did at one time, you’ve forgotten.
If your position is one of a generic nature and not specific to this example, you didn’t make that clear enough.
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Cops always bullied kids when I was a kid. I learned it was best to STFU and make myself scarce when the cops were around. More kids should learn this lesson.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
You emphasize my use of the word endure almost condescendingly, but you weren’t that kid. You aren’t a kid. You don’t know what it felt like to be bullied like that, or if you did at one time, you’ve forgotten.
Not condescendingly… I just think it is a bit melodramatic. I do know what it feels like to be bullied, and I do remember it. And I remember getting chewed out by adults in ways that were not entirely appropriate. But on a scale of 1 to 10, (1 being a minor hardship, like forgetting one’s lunch money, and 10 being a major hardship, like being beaten severely or worse), I think this rated about a 2 or a 2.5. [/quote]
you’re right, it wasn’t a savage beating by any means. It was however, blatent abuse of power. I don’t like the idea that there are officers out there who will do something like that. Everyone here knows other police officers typically will go to great lengths to cover each other’s asses.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
Not condescendingly… I just think it is a bit melodramatic. I do know what it feels like to be bullied, and I do remember it. And I remember getting chewed out by adults in ways that were not entirely appropriate. But on a scale of 1 to 10, (1 being a minor hardship, like forgetting one’s lunch money, and 10 being a major hardship, like being beaten severely or worse), I think this rated about a 2 or a 2.5. [/quote]
A chokehold and being wrestled down to the pavement by a retarded animal ranks just above forgetting one’s lunch money.
Well, safe to say I understand your position a little clearer, now.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
You emphasize my use of the word endure almost condescendingly, but you weren’t that kid. You aren’t a kid. You don’t know what it felt like to be bullied like that, or if you did at one time, you’ve forgotten.
Not condescendingly… I just think it is a bit melodramatic. I do know what it feels like to be bullied, and I do remember it. And I remember getting chewed out by adults in ways that were not entirely appropriate. But on a scale of 1 to 10, (1 being a minor hardship, like forgetting one’s lunch money, and 10 being a major hardship, like being beaten severely or worse), I think this rated about a 2 or a 2.5. [/quote]
Neph, this was definitely not some horrible act of police brutality, but it certainly ranks higher than a 2.5. The way the cop handled that kid is gonna leave a negative imprint, and that kid is gonna look at all cops with a crooked eye for a long time.
The cop is supposed to exhibit more discipline and better behavior than others. He has been given the priviledge of wearing a badge, and the right to carry a gun. He should have the presence of mind to show discretion. Clearly he was offended by the kid’s behavior, and took it personally. What would happen if a more intense situation took place? What if an adult talked back him? Would he bad mouth them? Would he assault them? Where I am going with this, is that this guy doesn’t have the cool temper needed to be a cop.
And not always should a cop remained cool tempered. But he should have the mental capacity to assess each situation for what it is, and he clearly failed to do that here. If a cop assaults you because you talk back, would you be afraid to question him about the situation? What if the kid asked, “Why are you assaulting me?” He is so insecure that that might drive him over the edge to create worse harm.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
A chokehold and being wrestled down to the pavement by a retarded animal ranks just above forgetting one’s lunch money.
Well, safe to say I understand your position a little clearer, now.[/quote]
I just looked at the video again… it was not much of a choke hold. Notice that he told the kid to “sit down,” and he started to stand back up. Try disregarding a lawful order by a police officer as an adult… you would get much worse than being made to sit back down again.
The more I watch this, the more the kid irritates me. It would have been better had the officer been calmer. I think if you agree that the officer was correct or justified to seize the skateboard, then the physical means he used were not unreasonable.
Nephorm, he’s a KID. Kids are supposed to be irritating.
Officers are supposed to be able to discern between a situation warranting physical intervention and one that does not.
I honestly can’t believe you’re arguing this.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
you’re right, it wasn’t a savage beating by any means. It was however, blatent abuse of power. I don’t like the idea that there are officers out there who will do something like that. Everyone here knows other police officers typically will go to great lengths to cover each other’s asses.[/quote]
How was it a blatant abuse of power? Skateboarding was not allowed. If the officer was incorrect (if there was no such statute), then he abused his power by attempting to stop a lawful activity. Otherwise… no. Yelling is not an abuse of power.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
rainjack wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
A question for all of you:
if that kid who got tackled was your little brother, would you have fucked up the cop?
If that kid was my son - I would kick my son’s ass for being so disrespectful.
The kid was a little bitch. He needed a lot more than getting tackled.
How was he disrespectful? Are you serious? I’m not even going to cover what was said, but how you can have such a skewed reaction as that makes me wonder.
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I know what was said. I watched the video. What blows my mind are the people here acting like they know the whole story, and only saw half of it.
Showing no respect is the exact same thing as being disrespectful.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Officers are supposed to be able to discern between a situation warranting physical intervention and one that does not.
I honestly can’t believe you’re arguing this.[/quote]
I honestly can’t believe that you don’t see that the video cuts away when the officer first approaches the kid to take the skateboard. The video only goes back after the first attempt to seize. If he went straight into the contact that he did, that would be unwarranted. But again, you didn’t see the whole video… my guess (and it is only a guess) is that the kid was recalcitrant and pulled the board away when the officer tried to take it.
I honestly can’t believe you just busted out recalcitrant on me.