Officer Rivieri

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

If he shoots me, he’s ruined and he’ll know that.

Right - but you’ll still be dead, so what does that prove?

Do what you want, but I guarantee you putting your hands on a cop in any kind of aggressive way for any reason will be the quickest way to royally fuck up your life - if you don’t wind up dead. [/quote]

I agree, and that’s the bad part.

I’m ranting right now about how we can’t protect each other from abuse from public servants, which is horrible at best.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
A question for all of you:

if that kid who got tackled was your little brother, would you have fucked up the cop?[/quote]

If that cop tried to arrest me I’d knock him the fuck out.

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[quote]Flow wrote:
Maybe you didn’t watch the video, but the officer chokeholded the kid and pushed him into the concrete because the kid called him ‘Dude’.

You think it is acceptable behavior for an adult to push a kid around because the kid calls him a slang term? Yeah, a good beatin’ will establish respect, right? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

If you want ‘respect’ act like a reasonable human being. Remove the skateboard but don’t push the kid around. He did nothing to deserve that sort of physicality from a man twice his size and like two or three times his age.

That said, would the same thing have happened if this were a 16 year old highschooler, about the same size as Officer Rivieri?[/quote]

This video is actually pretty old and ive seen it before.
I didn’t see any chokeholding. Next thing you ll tell me is he was german suplexing an old lady for j walking.

Yes i do think it’s acceptable. I’m sure you…or your parents…remember a time where kids were beaten for doing stupid shit. I’m not saying being beaten is ok, but don’t exagerrate now. He basically knocked the kid down. Fucking wah. Big deal.

The kid was being a fucking moron. This is fact. Kids “these days” are disrespectible shits. I was one such kid when i was younger. We’ve all tormented our teachers and acted like assholes towards adults.

And he did deserve what he got because HE WAS BEING A FUCKING RETARD. That’s the point. You don’t know how long this adult guy was “being nice” since the video already starts with confrontation.

Kids aren’t gonna bring a camera or something like that just for fun. In that video it backfired ^ It’s usually to film some bullshit that was going on. How lucky that one of those skateboarding kids had a video camera on him or in his phone.

I was at a karate camp this summer and i had to take care of some kids. I have seen 10 year olds take advantage of some “challenged” kids and act as if nothing was wrong. One kid was going around kicking people.

I don’t advocate hitting kids, nor do i think it’s right but in the police guy video, there was hardly any hitting going on. If the kid is too fucking dumb to listen to an adult or authority and is challenging the person, then tough beans.

I think in that situation, what the officer did was fine and maybe the kid won’t be such a dick next time.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
A question for all of you:

if that kid who got tackled was your little brother, would you have fucked up the cop?[/quote]

Yes.

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[quote]This video is actually pretty old and ive seen it before. I didn’t see any chokeholding. Next thing you ll tell me is he was german suplexing an old lady for j walking.

Yes i do think it’s acceptable. I’m sure you…or your parents…remember a time where kids were beaten for doing stupid shit. I’m not saying being beaten is ok, but don’t exagerrate now. He basically knocked the kid down. Fucking wah. Big deal.

The kid was being a fucking moron. This is fact. Kids “these days” are disrespectible shits. I was one such kid when i was younger. We’ve all tormented our teachers and acted like assholes towards adults.

And he did deserve what he got because HE WAS BEING A FUCKING RETARD. That’s the point. You don’t know how long this adult guy was “being nice” since the video already starts with confrontation.

Kids aren’t gonna bring a camera or something like that just for fun. In that video it backfired ^ It’s usually to film some bullshit that was going on. How lucky that one of those skateboarding kids had a video camera on him or in his phone.

I was at a karate camp this summer and i had to take care of some kids. I have seen 10 year olds take advantage of some “challenged” kids and act as if nothing was wrong. One kid was going around kicking people.

I don’t advocate hitting kids, nor do i think it’s right but in the police guy video, there was hardly any hitting going on. If the kid is too fucking dumb to listen to an adult or authority and is challenging the person, then tough beans.

I think in that situation, what the officer did was fine and maybe the kid won’t be such a dick next time.
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You have been awarded duffyj2’s annual prize for…

“Most incoherent argument of 2008”

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Once again, no one here would do anything physically to that cop. NOTHING. I know two people who’ve “assaulted” an officer. One of my best friends was at a club in 2003. He had already done a year and a half in the pen.

He got in a fight in the club, was put in the back of a police car, started freaking out and kicked the back window out. The cop, who was standing by the window was struck in the face with the flying shards of glass. My buddy just got out a bit over a year ago.

The other guy I’ve met a few times through friends. He’s three or four years older than I am. When he was seventeen he was dealing coke. He was being trailed by an officer. He lost the cop and stashed over an ounce of coke.

He went back hours later to retrieve the coke when a female officer [who had obviously been waiting for him] approached him. As she made her way toward him he cracked her in the face with brass knuckles. He got caught less than a mile away, and ended up doing about eight years in state pen.

Now, I understand that these two incidents are completely different than an underage kid and his buddies skating on public property, but the point remains: COPS ARE UNTOUCHABLE.

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Yea sorry i’m not very good :frowning:
Basically:

-This kid is a dumbshit who broke the law. Too fucking bad for him.
-Officer Rivieri did no harm.

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[quote]counterfeitsoda wrote:
I disagree. Police are here to enforce the laws that keep the country from turning into chaos. Are there bad laws? Absolutely. There are people in the prison I work at who I don’t feel should be there, but that’s not my call to make. [/quote]

Most laws don’t keep the country from falling into chaos. In fact as officers continue to enforce laws that violate liberty, angry men like me are bred. This brings us closer to chaos I assure you as angry men do not stand idle forever.

(EDIT: to those bootlickers that want to dig into this, I’m not implying I’m going to go Charles Whitman or anything) Now explain why it isn’t your call to make. So far as I see it, as a citizen of our republic it is your call to make.[quote]

The fact is, whether or not you agree with a law, you have to follow it. [/quote]

Negative. Are you saying that Harriet Tubman was bad and belonged in jail? Would your father have been right to arrest her? She was breaking the law.[quote]

If you don’t like the law, you’ve got avenues to go through to try and change it. If you choose to ignore them, then the police are well within their rights to do what they need to do, and there’s nothing “thuggish” about it. [/quote]

So if a law is passed that infringes upon my rights, the rights of the police to “do what they need to do” supercedes my rights?[quote]

Whether people believe it or not, Police do more good than harm, not every cop is some power-hungry monster who wasn’t loved enough as a kid.[/quote]

Correction: cops COULD do more good than harm and DETECTIVES likely do more good than harm. As of this post they do more harm than good. I’ve had multiple run-ins with the police. Never have I stolen from someone. Never have I assaulted someone. Never have I trespassed on someone’s property nor vandalized their things. Never have I driven in a manner as to recklessly endanger lives.

Now, with all this said, I’ve never had a cop find anything stolen from me. I’ve never had a cop show up on time to stop a crime I’ve reported. My protection is with my mind and with the XD-40 on my hip.

Yet I have been confronted and harassed for carrying my firearm in places such as the grocery store. I have also only been manhandled in a manner out of my control by a police officer. It was out of my control because your avenues of self-defense are limited when dealing with a cop.

Despite my God-given right to it, the Idaho State Constitution allows open carry of firearms and I have a Washington State CCW.

Cops NEED to prevent men like myself from asserting personal responsibility, because if all men behaved as I (and I trust yourself and most others on here do) then we would not need the police at all.

Then they do not have a job. The police force is a government agency just as interested in self-preservation as is any other unneccesary department.[quote]

The law with skateboarding is mainly because skateboarders tear up stuff when they do things such as grinding on them from what I understand. [/quote]

Now explain why we need a law against skateboarding. From the looks of it, trespassing and/or damaging public property is already illegal. Why not charge irresponsible skateboarding with actual mala en se crimes instead of creating mala prohibitum laws which infringe upon individual liberty?

mike

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Once again, no one here would do anything physically to that cop. NOTHING. I know two people who’ve “assaulted” an officer. One of my best friends was at a club in 2003.

He had already done a year and a half in the pen. He got in a fight in the club, was put in the back of a police car, started freaking out and kicked the back window out.

The cop, who was standing by the window was struck in the face with the flying shards of glass. My buddy just got out a bit over a year ago.

The other guy I’ve met a few times through friends. He’s three or four years older than I am. When he was seventeen he was dealing coke. He was being trailed by an officer. He lost the cop and stashed over an ounce of coke.

He went back hours later to retrieve the coke when a female officer [who had obviously been waiting for him] approached him. As she made her way toward him he cracked her in the face with brass knuckles. He got caught less than a mile away, and ended up doing about eight years in state pen.

Now, I understand that these two incidents are completely different than an underage kid and his buddies skating on public property, but the point remains: COPS ARE UNTOUCHABLE.[/quote]

FAR from “untouchable”, out here in California resisting arrest and battery on an officer isn’t really a big deal, they’ll stick you with a 148 and 243 and probably run it concurrent with other charges. Something relatively minor and you’ll get a lid, out in six.

The Sheriffs will fuck with you once you hit the county though, expect some time for introspection in the hole and lots of tastey jukeball.

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[quote]pachell wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Once again, no one here would do anything physically to that cop. NOTHING. I know two people who’ve “assaulted” an officer. One of my best friends was at a club in 2003. He had already done a year and a half in the pen.

He got in a fight in the club, was put in the back of a police car, started freaking out and kicked the back window out. The cop, who was standing by the window was struck in the face with the flying shards of glass. My buddy just got out a bit over a year ago.

The other guy I’ve met a few times through friends. He’s three or four years older than I am. When he was seventeen he was dealing coke. He was being trailed by an officer. He lost the cop and stashed over an ounce of coke.

He went back hours later to retrieve the coke when a female officer [who had obviously been waiting for him] approached him. As she made her way toward him he cracked her in the face with brass knuckles. He got caught less than a mile away, and ended up doing about eight years in state pen.

Now, I understand that these two incidents are completely different than an underage kid and his buddies skating on public property, but the point remains: COPS ARE UNTOUCHABLE.

FAR from “untouchable”, out here in California resisting arrest and battery on an officer isn’t really a big deal, they’ll stick you with a 148 and 243 and probably run it concurrent with other charges. Something relatively minor and you’ll get a lid, out in six.

The Sheriffs will fuck with you once you hit the county though, expect some time for introspection in the hole and lots of tastey jukeball.[/quote]

Here in Texas they’re untouchable. I’m in Houston, and if you go to county and run your mouth you will get your ass beat. No if’s and’s or but’s. I got punched in the throat for scratching my nose 'cause raising my hands above my waste “is a sign of aggression”.

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[quote]counterfeitsoda wrote:
After looking at the video, I have to say a few things. First, whoever said he had the kid in a choke hold, is completely exagerating. Pulling someone with their hand LOOSELY on their neck is not a choke hold.

The officer, wrong or right, asked for the skateboard, the kid refused to give it up, and the officer responded by using a small amount of force to take it from someone who was resisting.

The second push, however, I completely agree was uncalled for and inappropriate.

Second, despite what some people are saying, I think it’s very important to know what happened before the video started. You can say all you want, that it’s obvious that the officer told them to stop skating and the kid didn’t hear him, but come on now, I’m sure plenty of people have seen kids make completely obvious lies.

I work in a Correctional facility, and you have no idea how often I catch inmates doing something they know they shouldn’t be doing, or having something that’s contraband, and they make up the most blatently rediculous excuses ever, excuses that don’t even make a hint of sense.

That’s why I’d be suprised if this all started ONLY because the officer told them to stop skating, and the kid had earphones in and didn’t hear him.

I’ve seen too many skateboarder kids that age act like assholes, only to bitch out and act like they didn’t do a thing wrong when they’re confronted, and I’ve had people make retarded excuses up far too many times to believe that’s all that happened.

Also, notice that he was directing his aggression towards just the one kid, he even made a point about how the other kids he was with had brains to keep quiet. A couple times the kids friends even told him basically to keep quiet.

That also leads me to believe he was acting like an ass and completely disrespectuful. Right off the bat, he starts off argumentitive saying “Dude, I don’t have a father,” then the officer asks him twice where he’s from, and he responds “nowhere.”

The kid remains argumentitive and resistive throughout the video, and there are times where you can’t hear the kid say anything, but because of the officers reaction, it appears he’s mumbling something to himself. Most likely, the kid was being a dickhead up until the cop finally seriously confronted them and the camera was on.

Now, I definately think the officer is wrong, and most likely should be in a different line of work. He reacted horribly, has no communication skills, and isn’t even in decent physical shape. He shouldn’t be a cop, end of story. I hope they fire/force him to resign.

Oh, and whoever said something along the lines of “what kind of punishment is placing him under paid leave?” That’s not the punishment, they’re removing him from duty while they investigate the situation to decide what type of action should be taken against him.

Many incidents require the person to be put on paid leave, I have a cousin who is on SWAT, and had to shoot and kill somebody. He was completely in the right, and obviously had no action taken against him, but still had to be put on leave for months during the investigation.[/quote]

Best post. This thread should have stopped right here.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Once again, no one here would do anything physically to that cop. NOTHING. I know two people who’ve “assaulted” an officer. One of my best friends was at a club in 2003.

He had already done a year and a half in the pen. He got in a fight in the club, was put in the back of a police car, started freaking out and kicked the back window out. The cop, who was standing by the window was struck in the face with the flying shards of glass. My buddy just got out a bit over a year ago.

The other guy I’ve met a few times through friends. He’s three or four years older than I am. When he was seventeen he was dealing coke. He was being trailed by an officer. He lost the cop and stashed over an ounce of coke.

He went back hours later to retrieve the coke when a female officer [who had obviously been waiting for him] approached him. As she made her way toward him he cracked her in the face with brass knuckles. He got caught less than a mile away, and ended up doing about eight years in state pen.

Now, I understand that these two incidents are completely different than an underage kid and his buddies skating on public property, but the point remains: COPS ARE UNTOUCHABLE.[/quote]

both of those situations though, the cops were in the right. And your friends are dumbasses. The kid was asaulted by an adult officer over the most menial of bullshit.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
He later writes a completely fabricated report saying that I was threatening him and refused to give him my name.

Point is that that’s where Officer Rivieria was wrong. He created an out of control situation that was both degrading to the kid and opened the door for the situation to escalate.

As I’ve said before, cops shouldn’t be running around look for trouble. They should operate as a QRF. That would have solved this situation.

mike

I don’t get it, something like that should only happen ONCE and the whole city should be in uproar. I feel for you, and am glad you (to my knowledge) weren’t hurt.

Did you take him to court?[/quote]

Negative. I spoke with a lawyer who basically said that I would have to demonstrate that the officer knew he was violating my rights in order to get him in trouble.

Unfortunately that standard doesn’t apply to us citizens. It appears ignorance of the law is no excuse…unless you’re a cop. There isn’t too much of me on the video as it’s mostly my friend on the hood.

The officer that arrested him claimed that he flipped him off (which is protected speech and wasn’t done anyway) and that he willingly held him up while his lights and sirens were on. This is all bullshit. He thought he got the finger and blew a fuse.

What’s fun is that the audio is clear until he starts talking to me. It cuts out there and comes back on after he’s cuffed me and I finally lost my temper with him.

I’d gotten angry and pulled the vet card (which I admit is kind of lame) and he told me that I was no Marine. So I can’t prove that I gave him my name. He knows I was right too because in the report he says that I refused to provide ID [bi]OR[/bi] to give him my name.

I ended up reporting him and they did an IA investigation. I didn’t get permission to find out the ruling. I think this guy was a douche anyways because when backup showed up they didn’t seem too impressed.

I think the whole department at Moscow PD knows that Officer Dan Foreman is a shitbird. He ended up becoming the final straw in my decision to become a lawyer instead of heading back into the infantry in the Corps. I’ll never forgive him for that. I miss the Corps desperately.

mike

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[quote]
Here in Texas they’re untouchable. I’m in Houston, and if you go to county and run your mouth you will get your ass beat. No if’s and’s or but’s. I got punched in the throat for scratching my nose 'cause raising my hands above my waste “is a sign of aggression”.[/quote]

Ahh, makes sense now, I hear they give you the chair for jaywalking over there. Out here the cops will steal your drugs/money and let you go.

In Los Angeles and California in general, the jails/prisons are FAR to overcrowded (Schwarzenegger cut budget and let 22k inmates free). It really is a revolving door, that’s partly why crime is way above the national average.

The problem in places like MCJ & wayside is other inmates, real easy to get cut in there. Sheriffs occasionally beat you down, but most people are really asking for it.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:

You have the wrong idea. What the video portrays is some kid who was midnign his own fucking buisness, skating. Offcer douchebag assualts the kid and attempts to STEAL from the kid. Police officers asaulting a kid? You wouldn’t step in? You’re a fucking coward. There is NO FUCKING EXCUSE for a grown man to beat a fucking kid half his size.

that cop is an embarassment to cops who are out there every day, doing their job trying to keep people safe, and all in all not going on a fucking power trip over their job. Police officers can be great people. They are there to HELP PEOPLE. they are PUBLIC SERVANTS payed for with taxpayer money. THEY ARE NOT THERE TO ATTCK KIDS SKATING.[/quote]

He had talked to the kids before and told them not to skate in that specific area. The kid did not even take out his ear phones. What does this tell you about his attitude? Before you come back with, “Oh he probably did not see the officer.” Why would the officer think that the kid heard him?

I agree no adults should beat on a kid, but where is this in the video? It may have been excessive to push the kid down when he tried to get up though.

Calling me a coward in an internet forum along with all of the typos, misspellings, and F bombs is only making you look immature/dumb.

If the cop felt like he did something he probably would have confiscated the video camera.

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[quote]Nich wrote:
Kreal7 wrote:

The whole “fuck the cops” thing is stupid. The same people would call the cops first if their house was being robbed or something of that nature.

just have to throw this out there.
I am saying fuck the cops,in my neck of the woods they are nothing more than a corupt money making machine.
some decent ones are out there but the most part they are power hungry punk ass kids that are allowed to shoot people and lie about it after.

about me calling them,I have never once called the police about anything,ever.if you are really a victim and you expect the police to help you I feel sorry for you.
lets wait untill you get your house emptied out then lets see if you still have your faith in the supermen that will tell you “ok, we will get on this”

I also live in a rual area now where the response time if needed is about 45 mins to an hour and a half,by then if I waited for my knight in a beat up ford to show up and save the day then I would be dead.

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So you are saying no matter in what situation you were in you would never call the cops? A robbery was a poor example, but I can think of several situations where I could not comprehend getting the police involved.

Obviously someone would not wait for the cops if it was a life or death situation. At least, like you said, I would hope not.

Your comment about waiting for your “knight in a beat up ford” was funny.

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[quote]Kreal7 wrote:
Nich wrote:
Kreal7 wrote:

The whole “fuck the cops” thing is stupid. The same people would call the cops first if their house was being robbed or something of that nature.

just have to throw this out there.
I am saying fuck the cops,in my neck of the woods they are nothing more than a corupt money making machine.
some decent ones are out there but the most part they are power hungry punk ass kids that are allowed to shoot people and lie about it after.

about me calling them,I have never once called the police about anything,ever.if you are really a victim and you expect the police to help you I feel sorry for you.
lets wait untill you get your house emptied out then lets see if you still have your faith in the supermen that will tell you “ok, we will get on this”

I also live in a rual area now where the response time if needed is about 45 mins to an hour and a half,by then if I waited for my knight in a beat up ford to show up and save the day then I would be dead.

So you are saying no matter in what situation you were in you would never call the cops? A robbery was a poor example, but I can think of several situations where I could not comprehend getting the police involved.

Obviously someone would not wait for the cops if it was a life or death situation. At least, like you said, I would hope not.

Your comment about waiting for your “knight in a beat up ford” was funny.

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thats right I would not call the police.
if you have seen what I have and lived how I have then you would understand.

as a community the neighbors were the police,we stood up for each other as a big extended family.
because we were all looked down upon by anyone outside the community.
theres alot of prejudice in this world and no one is immune from it.

I come from a lower class of people all we had was ourselves
police for the most part are against my kind
which is why I moved to the country to get away from people.

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You poor americans with your black-and-white, no shit, if it’s against the law tighten up your buttcheeks 'cause your going to the pen cops.

In Ireland we train police to recognise the middle ground, the occasional moral quandary where the letter of the law needs a gental touch.

As the great Dara O Brien says, we have three states of legality in Eire…

  1. That’s grand
  2. You’re pushin’ it
  3. NOW YOU’RE REALLY TAKIN’ THE PISS!
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[quote]Kreal7 wrote:
I agree no adults should beat on a kid, but where is this in the video? It may have been excessive to push the kid down when he tried to get up though.

Calling me a coward in an internet forum along with all of the typos, misspellings, and F bombs is only making you look immature/dumb.

If the cop felt like he did something he probably would have confiscated the video camera.[/quote]

You’re serious? It WAS excessive to push the kid again. Too many people pull the cop brutality card, but in this situation it’s evident(violent exceeding what was needed in the situation.)

The cop didn’t know he was on camera, otherwise he probably would’ve taken the camera. At the end of the video he says something to the extent of “is that thing on? I better not see myself…”

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[quote] counterfeitsoda wrote:
That’s why I’d be suprised if this all started ONLY because the officer told them to stop skating, and the kid had earphones in and didn’t hear him.

I’ve seen too many skateboarder kids that age act like assholes, only to bitch out and act like they didn’t do a thing wrong when they’re confronted, and I’ve had people make retarded excuses up far too many times to believe that’s all that happened.

Also, notice that he was directing his aggression towards just the one kid, he even made a point about how the other kids he was with had brains to keep quiet. A couple times the kids friends even told him basically to keep quiet.

That also leads me to believe he was acting like an ass and completely disrespectuful. Right off the bat, he starts off argumentitive saying “Dude, I don’t have a father,” then the officer asks him twice where he’s from, and he responds “nowhere.”

The kid remains argumentitive and resistive throughout the video, and there are times where you can’t hear the kid say anything, but because of the officers reaction, it appears he’s mumbling something to himself. Most likely, the kid was being a dickhead up until the cop finally seriously confronted them and the camera was on.

Now, I definately think the officer is wrong, and most likely should be in a different line of work. He reacted horribly, has no communication skills, and isn’t even in decent physical shape. He shouldn’t be a cop, end of story. I hope they fire/force him to resign.
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I won’t lie. I used to be a skateboarder, so I’m slightly biased, however, I’d argue this situation if it was anyone being bullied here.

You’re comparing a regular kid to a prison inmate, and using that for the basis of an argument? When i used to skate, i’d be in a sort of zone, like what i’m like in the gym. I get absorbed in what i’m doing and don’t pay attention to anything else. Add in loud music through earphones, and you could run an elephant behind me and i wouldn’t notice.

We were always respectful to cops, and i think the only disrespect this kid offered was minimal and accidental. He used the word “dude” instead of officer. At that age, you can get into habits of using phrases and words excessively.

He says he doesn’t have a father and you say he’s being argumentative. Who says he does? In the US it’s not exactly uncommon to not know who your father is. AS for admitting where he’s from, would you want to tell a cop where you’re from? I sure wouldn’t.

The officer was channeling his aggression at the one kid who didn’t hear him. The kid doesn’t speak up w/o being spoken to more than a few times, and the officer flips out. He asks the kid questions, and THEN yells at him for talking again.

As a 14 yr. old, the kid WAS mumbling, but who says it’s with the intent to not let the officer know what he’s saying? I mumbled as a 14 yr. old, and i mumbled worse when i was being yelled at, due to being in a bad mood and not having enough enthusiasm to raise the pitch of my voice.

The kid was being a dickhead until the camera turned on…except when the camera turned on the officer was back by his car, and not mad yet. That means that all he likely did was yelled at them to stop skateboarding, saw one kid not stop, and ran his aggressive ass over to yell at the kid from 5 feet away.

Only paragraph i quoted that i agree with is the last one.