[quote]nephorm wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
don’t fucking kid. He was so far out of bounds it is impossible to find an excuse.
It is good that you were not alive/self-aware when the Rodney King beatings went down. Your head would’ve exploded.[/quote]
does that make it right?
and yeah, I can’t stand abuse of power. It’s one of my biggest pet peeves.
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I’d say the officer grossly overreacted, and has a giant chip on his shoulder in general. His behavior was over the top abusive… and reminiscent of the type that got his ass beat as a youth…alot. He strikes me as unbalanced.
I notice he had the kid call his mother, well…had I been the mother coming to pick up my kid (which isn’t a stretch since my ten year old skates) …and I saw that video, I would be outraged.
Basically it seems like the kid kept skating after being told not to, and claimed he didn’t hear the officer tell him to stop. Okay, fine that’s annoying…the officer was in his right to go and make a point and put a stop to it, but his tactics were just crude, violent and unnecessary.
Believe me, I’m not the coddling sort, but that made me cringe. Much like some scenario when a kid doesn’t eat his vegetables and his father slams his head into the plate, all the guests get uncomfortable and the wife nervously asks who wants pie. Which I suspect, happened to that officer… one too many times. [/quote]
This is exactly how I feel, great post.
[quote]yeah skateboading is the real gateway crime in the world. i heard it’s just a cover for gun running and the kids are really midgets…
seriously dude are you fucking kidding me? what kind of dickhead are you suggesting that because a child is allowed to skateboard in a public place he’s going to become a gun for hire?
if you were being sarcastic please excuse me but otherwise please, listen to arnold…[/quote]
I was hoping some idiot would come up with a response like this…
[quote]rainjack wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
A question for all of you:
if that kid who got tackled was your little brother, would you have fucked up the cop?
If that kid was my son - I would kick my son’s ass for being so disrespectful.
The kid was a little bitch. He needed a lot more than getting tackled. [/quote]
Agreed. I am absoultely shocked that that little 14yr old punk had the nerve to talk back to a police officer and actually call him “dude”.
[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
yeah skateboading is the real gateway crime in the world. i heard it’s just a cover for gun running and the kids are really midgets…
seriously dude are you fucking kidding me? what kind of dickhead are you suggesting that because a child is allowed to skateboard in a public place he’s going to become a gun for hire?
if you were being sarcastic please excuse me but otherwise please, listen to arnold…
I was hoping some idiot would come up with a response like this…
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well maybe you could explain yourself and prove that i am, in fact, an idiot…
[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Incidentaly, I feel that this would make a great movie…
Baltimore is going to hell…
Pussies, skateboards and people with no goddam respect stalk the streets…
Only one man can stop them…
“You’re being suspended from the force.”
“You can’t do this to me!”
“I told to stop with this shit, this time you’ve gone to far.”
“For Christsakes! I’m tryna clean up this goddam city!”
This summer…
An unconventional cop…
A city almost beyond redemption…
Officer Rivieri is… officer Rivieri
(cue Thunderstruck)
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for the love of god…
[quote]Alquemist wrote:
rainjack wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
A question for all of you:
if that kid who got tackled was your little brother, would you have fucked up the cop?
If that kid was my son - I would kick my son’s ass for being so disrespectful.
The kid was a little bitch. He needed a lot more than getting tackled.
Agreed. I am absoultely shocked that that little 14yr old punk had the nerve to talk back to a police officer and actually call him “dude”.[/quote]
ok he probably shouldn’t have called him dude but come on, is it that big of a deal?
NickRageSkursky, you should probably go crawl back into your hole now.
Aye, seconded.
After looking at the video, I have to say a few things. First, whoever said he had the kid in a choke hold, is completely exagerating. Pulling someone with their hand LOOSELY on their neck is not a choke hold.
The officer, wrong or right, asked for the skateboard, the kid refused to give it up, and the officer responded by using a small amount of force to take it from someone who was resisting.
The second push, however, I completely agree was uncalled for and inappropriate.
Second, despite what some people are saying, I think it’s very important to know what happened before the video started. You can say all you want, that it’s obvious that the officer told them to stop skating and the kid didn’t hear him, but come on now, I’m sure plenty of people have seen kids make completely obvious lies.
I work in a Correctional facility, and you have no idea how often I catch inmates doing something they know they shouldn’t be doing, or having something that’s contraband, and they make up the most blatently rediculous excuses ever, excuses that don’t even make a hint of sense.
That’s why I’d be suprised if this all started ONLY because the officer told them to stop skating, and the kid had earphones in and didn’t hear him.
I’ve seen too many skateboarder kids that age act like assholes, only to bitch out and act like they didn’t do a thing wrong when they’re confronted, and I’ve had people make retarded excuses up far too many times to believe that’s all that happened.
Also, notice that he was directing his aggression towards just the one kid, he even made a point about how the other kids he was with had brains to keep quiet. A couple times the kids friends even told him basically to keep quiet.
That also leads me to believe he was acting like an ass and completely disrespectuful. Right off the bat, he starts off argumentitive saying “Dude, I don’t have a father,” then the officer asks him twice where he’s from, and he responds “nowhere.”
The kid remains argumentitive and resistive throughout the video, and there are times where you can’t hear the kid say anything, but because of the officers reaction, it appears he’s mumbling something to himself. Most likely, the kid was being a dickhead up until the cop finally seriously confronted them and the camera was on.
Now, I definately think the officer is wrong, and most likely should be in a different line of work. He reacted horribly, has no communication skills, and isn’t even in decent physical shape. He shouldn’t be a cop, end of story. I hope they fire/force him to resign.
Oh, and whoever said something along the lines of “what kind of punishment is placing him under paid leave?” That’s not the punishment, they’re removing him from duty while they investigate the situation to decide what type of action should be taken against him.
Many incidents require the person to be put on paid leave, I have a cousin who is on SWAT, and had to shoot and kill somebody. He was completely in the right, and obviously had no action taken against him, but still had to be put on leave for months during the investigation.
the kid has headphones on, he couldn’t hear.
I don’t know about you, but I have a phobia with people grabbing my wrists/throat. I would of freaked out
What gives the officer a right to confiscate personal property?
however: the kid should of said officer or sir. That’s just respectful.
-He should of shut up and listened and appologized so he could go on his way
But none of it excuses the officer’s reaction. They were fucking skating in the middle of the day.
Proof? You don’t see the kid at all until after this has all started, after he had started talking to the officer. You have no proof at all whether he did or didn’t. Like I said, people make up excuses that are blatent lies all the time.
I’ve caught people doing things red handed, only to have them say that’s not what they were doing. Does it make sense? No, but it happens all the time.
2: If you have a phobia, then I suggest you do as your told when an officer asks you to hand him something.
3: The kid WAS breaking the law. It wasn’t legal to be skateboarding there. End of story. The kid could be charged. As it so happened, it appeared the cop was probably only temporarily holding onto it, perhaps until the kids mother picked him up, after all, he was insisting to speak with her.
As for not wanting the officer to know where he is, like I said, the kid was breaking the law, and the officer had the right to detain him. You can say “he was only skating in the middle of the day” all you want, but the fact is he was breaking the law and could have been fined/arrested.
It appears the same motley crew of boot lickers and phony tough guys have squared up again.
1: Innocent until proven guilty should apply to cops as well. Suspended with pay is appropriate until the investigation is complete. What if this guy was found innocent and ended up losing his house/car/ect, because we wasn’t getting his pay?
2: If you’re a cop, get used to being called dude. It’s a force of habit for a lot of people; not deliberate disrespect.
3: The cop’s manner of taking the skateboard was appropriate. He prevented it from becoming a silly tugging match. The second push was not okay. It demonstrated the fact that he did take this personally and had no self control. None of this is why he deserves to be fired though.
Dealing with an out of control cop is scary. If you treated him like you would a citizen you would end up in jail. Yet, if he’s out of control, then your options of preserving your health, your dignity, and your rights are seriously constrained.
I recently had to deal with a situation like this not long ago. A friend of mine was crossing the street with his girlfriend. This cop blips his lights about 20 feet from him then jumps out and starts cussing at him and throws him against his cruiser and starts cuffing him.
I yell over at my friend that I’m watching him and he needs to not resist (he wasn’t resisting, I was just trying to comfort him).
The cop throws my friend on the ground and puts him in the car. He puts his hand on his pistol and charges over at me demanding my ID. I inform him of my name but that I’m not required to give him my ID. He asks again and I respond the same…calmly. He throws me on the ground in front of my wife and cuffs me, then takes my wallet.
He later writes a completely fabricated report saying that I was threatening him and refused to give him my name.
Point is that that’s where Officer Rivieria was wrong. He created an out of control situation that was both degrading to the kid and opened the door for the situation to escalate.
As I’ve said before, cops shouldn’t be running around look for trouble. They should operate as a QRF. That would have solved this situation.
mike
[quote]counterfeitsoda wrote:
3: The kid WAS breaking the law. It wasn’t legal to be skateboarding there. End of story. The kid could be charged. As it so happened, it appeared the cop was probably only temporarily holding onto it, perhaps until the kids mother picked him up, after all, he was insisting to speak with her.
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Herein lies my main problem with cops. This cop joined up knowing he would have to enforce laws like this. That makes him as much of a thug for enforcing the law as are the politicians who passed the law.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
He later writes a completely fabricated report saying that I was threatening him and refused to give him my name.
Point is that that’s where Officer Rivieria was wrong. He created an out of control situation that was both degrading to the kid and opened the door for the situation to escalate.
As I’ve said before, cops shouldn’t be running around look for trouble. They should operate as a QRF. That would have solved this situation.
mike
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I don’t get it, something like that should only happen ONCE and the whole city should be in uproar. I feel for you, and am glad you (to my knowledge) weren’t hurt.
Did you take him to court?
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
This is why I train. So I don’t have to be bullied by some old fuck on a ego trip and to make sure others don’t have to be put in that situation either. Why do you?
What is it going to take for some of you to face the proverbial lion. Afraid to face law charges? If you think getting asaulted by a police officer and defending yourself is bad, we live in a shitty world. BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WOULD JUST AS SOON LET IT HAPPEN.[/quote]
Dude, I hope you never find yourself in a situation with a police officer that you feel is “going over the edge”, so you attempt to attack a cop.
Because one of two things will happen -
A)You will be arrested, and charged with assaulting a police officer. This will cost you thousands of dollars in legal fees, and likely you will do some jail time.
B)You will be SHOT AND KILLED by said police officer.
So, as far as calling people “pussies” for not doing anything - well, let’s just say that a teenager’s perspective on the situation is a bit different than someone with a home, wife and child.
Do what you want, but my advice is never be so stupid to attack an armed police officer for any reason…
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
counterfeitsoda wrote:
3: The kid WAS breaking the law. It wasn’t legal to be skateboarding there. End of story. The kid could be charged. As it so happened, it appeared the cop was probably only temporarily holding onto it, perhaps until the kids mother picked him up, after all, he was insisting to speak with her.
Herein lies my main problem with cops. This cop joined up knowing he would have to enforce laws like this. That makes him as much of a thug for enforcing the law as are the politicians who passed the law.
mike[/quote]
I disagree. Police are here to enforce the laws that keep the country from turning into chaos. Are there bad laws? Absolutely. There are people in the prison I work at who I don’t feel should be there, but that’s not my call to make.
The fact is, whether or not you agree with a law, you have to follow it. If you don’t like the law, you’ve got avenues to go through to try and change it.
If you choose to ignore them, then the police are well within their rights to do what they need to do, and there’s nothing “thuggish” about it. Whether people believe it or not, Police do more good than harm, not every cop is some power-hungry monster who wasn’t loved enough as a kid.
The law with skateboarding is mainly because skateboarders tear up stuff when they do things such as grinding on them from what I understand. There are skateparks, and areas that you are allowed to skateboard at.
While I don’t agree with the law, I don’t see a big deal in keeping a sport confined to specific areas. You wouldn’t expect to play football in the middle of a street, or practice your MMA skills in the middle of a sidewalk, would you?
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
This is why I train. So I don’t have to be bullied by some old fuck on a ego trip and to make sure others don’t have to be put in that situation either. Why do you?
What is it going to take for some of you to face the proverbial lion. Afraid to face law charges? If you think getting asaulted by a police officer and defending yourself is bad, we live in a shitty world. BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WOULD JUST AS SOON LET IT HAPPEN.
Dude, I hope you never find yourself in a situation with a police officer that you feel is “going over the edge”, so you attempt to attack a cop.
Because one of two things will happen -
A)You will be arrested, and charged with assaulting a police officer. This will cost you thousands of dollars in legal fees, and likely you will do some jail time.
B)You will be SHOT AND KILLED by said police officer.
So, as far as calling people “pussies” for not doing anything - well, let’s just say that a teenager’s perspective on the situation is a bit different than someone with a home, wife and child.
Do what you want, but my advice is never be so stupid to attack an armed police officer for any reason… [/quote]
really? pulling a police officer off a kid and keeping them apart is going to get me shot? As much as I would of wanted to hit him I don’t think that would happen unless he randomly decked someone else out. Police officers aren’t allowed to use their firearms unless confronted with deadly force. If he shoots me, he’s ruined and he’ll know that.
I really hope no one (including myself) gets put in a situation like this. Aweful no win for anyone.
sad fucking world when people can’t protect the innocent from abuse from public servants without being ruined.
[quote]counterfeitsoda wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
counterfeitsoda wrote:
3: The kid WAS breaking the law. It wasn’t legal to be skateboarding there. End of story. The kid could be charged. As it so happened, it appeared the cop was probably only temporarily holding onto it, perhaps until the kids mother picked him up, after all, he was insisting to speak with her.
Herein lies my main problem with cops. This cop joined up knowing he would have to enforce laws like this. That makes him as much of a thug for enforcing the law as are the politicians who passed the law.
mike
I disagree. Police are here to enforce the laws that keep the country from turning into chaos. Are there bad laws? Absolutely. There are people in the prison I work at who I don’t feel should be there, but that’s not my call to make.
The fact is, whether or not you agree with a law, you have to follow it. If you don’t like the law, you’ve got avenues to go through to try and change it. If you choose to ignore them, then the police are well within their rights to do what they need to do, and there’s nothing “thuggish” about it.
Whether people believe it or not, Police do more good than harm, not every cop is some power-hungry monster who wasn’t loved enough as a kid.
The law with skateboarding is mainly because skateboarders tear up stuff when they do things such as grinding on them from what I understand. There are skateparks, and areas that you are allowed to skateboard at.
While I don’t agree with the law, I don’t see a big deal in keeping a sport confined to specific areas. You wouldn’t expect to play football in the middle of a street, or practice your MMA skills in the middle of a sidewalk, would you?[/quote]
what if it were illegal to bike places. Skating for a lot of kids is a means of transportation as much as a ‘sport’.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
If he shoots me, he’s ruined and he’ll know that.
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Right - but you’ll still be dead, so what does that prove?
Do what you want, but I guarantee you putting your hands on a cop in any kind of aggressive way for any reason will be the quickest way to royally fuck up your life - if you don’t wind up dead.