Off Season Maxx Charles

Training
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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Yeah, nobody here is going to be looking like that without some serious assistance. Just the facts.[/quote]

Substantiate this claim. Explain how you know this to be a FACT.[/quote]

Trololol[/quote]

Actually the “nobody here” part is most likely, almost definitely true. I am just curious as to why so many people on these forums are obsessed with steroids and the limitations of being a natural. Not all naturals are resigned to their fate of only being 190 and lean. [/quote]

lol at “only” 190 and lean. For guys under 6 foot (hell even 6 foot) that is huge for a natty! If we’re talking true sub 10% as lean. That will take years of doing things right to achieve and shouldn’t be so easily dismissed as small
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190 is not huge. Don’t care how lean.
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You’re homework is to go look of pics of the guys who compete at ifbb worlds in lower weight classes. Dudes are jacked.

So height doesn’t matter? 5’6 contest lean 190. Will look like a wrecking ball of muscle
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Of course it matters. He mentioned those under 6 foot or even those at 6 feet tall. Didn’t think we were talking about really short folks, but granted, a lean 190 at 5’6" is pretty big. Not so much at 5’11".[/quote]

I don’t think you know what stage level leanness along with good muscle bellies can actualky do
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5’7 205 lbs. Pretty damn big imo.

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[quote]RampantBadger wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Why is it that we are concluding he has succeeding in spite of his training rather than because of it?[/quote]

Not so much in spite of, but that if he trained in the style of Levrone, Yates or even Coleman his physique could be absolutely unbelievable.

For me this guy seems to be a super genetic freak and could make progress doing practically anything in the gym no matter how inefficient.[/quote]

This just seems to go against occam’s razor to me. I would imagine this guy is using the style that works the best for him.

Like, when I see a successful guy doing the “wrong” thing, I use it as an opportunity to question what I know, rather than what they know.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Bench video from tonight. Bench 300x11 - YouTube

I have plenty of pictures posted in the check in threads and such. Big shoulders, traps and back stick out in cloths. Arms too. [/quote]

Strong bench.
I never said that you don’t look good (you clearly have a decent physique), but just because a few people say you are huge doesn’t make it so in the eyes of everyone else. Secondly, considering you have been trying to suggest you look huge in clothes, seems a bit odd to post a video where you are training shirtless. [/quote]

Just the most recent video.

I actually think I look more muscular in a shirt now that I’m leaner.

What confuses the issue is the fitting of cloths. If you are a chubby/muscular 240 and you cut to 190 lean while wearing the same clothes, yeah, you look small wearing a tent. If you wear clothes that fit the same, you’ll still look big.

I’m wearing the same size jacket, only now they are having to take it in a bunch at the bottom.[/quote]
Exactly, sure one may go down a few neck sizes on your button down shirt and maybe ones chest measurement as well for a suit from the fat loss but the sheer inches lost off the waist really gives that v taper look in clothing and I would say more impressive look than someone wearing a bigger shirt size that doesn’t taper at all.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Yeah, nobody here is going to be looking like that without some serious assistance. Just the facts.[/quote]

Substantiate this claim. Explain how you know this to be a FACT.[/quote]

Trololol[/quote]

Actually the “nobody here” part is most likely, almost definitely true. I am just curious as to why so many people on these forums are obsessed with steroids and the limitations of being a natural. Not all naturals are resigned to their fate of only being 190 and lean. [/quote]

lol at “only” 190 and lean. For guys under 6 foot (hell even 6 foot) that is huge for a natty! If we’re talking true sub 10% as lean. That will take years of doing things right to achieve and shouldn’t be so easily dismissed as small
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190 is not huge. Don’t care how lean.
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You’re homework is to go look of pics of the guys who compete at ifbb worlds in lower weight classes. Dudes are jacked.

So height doesn’t matter? 5’6 contest lean 190. Will look like a wrecking ball of muscle
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Of course it matters. He mentioned those under 6 foot or even those at 6 feet tall. Didn’t think we were talking about really short folks, but granted, a lean 190 at 5’6" is pretty big. Not so much at 5’11".[/quote]

I don’t think you know what stage level leanness along with good muscle bellies can actualky do
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5’7 205 lbs. Pretty damn big imo.[/quote]

You’re right, that guy is big. But you will notice that my original statement was in regards to people around 190, not those that are 15lbs heavier while being short in stature.

Clearly there are exceptions to my statement that “190 is not huge”, but exceptions don’t prove rules. For a male of average height, a lean 190 may look great, but it is not exactly what I would call HUGE. But as DD mentioned, perhaps my standard for that description is too high.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Why is it that we are concluding he has succeeding in spite of his training rather than because of it?[/quote]

It is confusing to me…so rack pulls all of a sudden are not a good movement for upper back. Better tell Ct to never program them. Partials pressing isn’t good for overloading the chest and triceps. Partials pulldowns also suck I guess. [/quote]

I don’t care what he looks like when the range of motion is that small. And I originally quoted Whiteflash, who pointed out that this goon was claiming a world record deadlift based on a partial.

I also offered an opinion that that sort of thing didn’t build his physique. I would make an educated guess that the equivalent to his “world record deadlift” on bench would have very little effect, and I would say the same about 1/8 ROM pulldowns.[/quote]

So you are saying a pro body builder basically doesn’t know how to train properly? And you also have yet to explain why partial rom cannot build muscle

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Why is it that we are concluding he has succeeding in spite of his training rather than because of it?[/quote]

It is confusing to me…so rack pulls all of a sudden are not a good movement for upper back. Better tell Ct to never program them. Partials pressing isn’t good for overloading the chest and triceps. Partials pulldowns also suck I guess. [/quote]

I don’t care what he looks like when the range of motion is that small. And I originally quoted Whiteflash, who pointed out that this goon was claiming a world record deadlift based on a partial.

I also offered an opinion that that sort of thing didn’t build his physique. I would make an educated guess that the equivalent to his “world record deadlift” on bench would have very little effect, and I would say the same about 1/8 ROM pulldowns.[/quote]

So you are saying a pro body builder basically doesn’t know how to train properly? And you also have yet to explain why partial rom cannot build muscle[/quote]

Really. His lifting seems like a good way to get hurt, but there is no denying it freaking worked. It’s pretty dumb to claim that one of the most muscular guys on the planet would do better training how you think he should.

I’d also caution, a guy that lies to impress the cameras might train to impress one too. He very well may do some of the stuff playing to the camera.

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
So, lol at people trying to act like I was making it “all about race”. Jokers.[/quote]

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Oh, one more thing. I think it is really funny how X only ever has anything to say about black bodybuilders. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him start a thread or discussion about a white guy. I mean, before I even clicked on this thread, I knew it was going to be a black dude. But, you know, if it was a white bodybuilder his conditioning would have been off.[/quote]

Really?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
So, lol at people trying to act like I was making it “all about race”. Jokers.[/quote]

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Oh, one more thing. I think it is really funny how X only ever has anything to say about black bodybuilders. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him start a thread or discussion about a white guy. I mean, before I even clicked on this thread, I knew it was going to be a black dude. But, you know, if it was a white bodybuilder his conditioning would have been off.[/quote]

Really?[/quote]

It’s even possible to have a bias toward black physiques without being racist. Genetic structures tend to be a little different in my estimation.

I happen to think black guys tend to have better shape.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
So, lol at people trying to act like I was making it “all about race”. Jokers.[/quote]

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Oh, one more thing. I think it is really funny how X only ever has anything to say about black bodybuilders. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him start a thread or discussion about a white guy. I mean, before I even clicked on this thread, I knew it was going to be a black dude. But, you know, if it was a white bodybuilder his conditioning would have been off.[/quote]

Really?[/quote]

My comment has been made by others in the past with little to no reactions like the kinds I am getting in this thread. It was just an observation and sort of a joke. You must not get the joke, but it’s a running Professor X meme joke that was pretty popular on here. I was just poking fun. I grow really tired of people jumping at the chance to call me out and make me look bad in order to appear like they are “good people” when they don’t even understand the context of my comments. Take it easy.

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Thanks, DD. Apparently, if I even mention anything about black vs. white bodybuilders I’m being ignorant or something. I thought it was a pretty reasonable post.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
So, lol at people trying to act like I was making it “all about race”. Jokers.[/quote]

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Oh, one more thing. I think it is really funny how X only ever has anything to say about black bodybuilders. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him start a thread or discussion about a white guy. I mean, before I even clicked on this thread, I knew it was going to be a black dude. But, you know, if it was a white bodybuilder his conditioning would have been off.[/quote]

Really?[/quote]

It’s even possible to have a bias toward black physiques without being racist. Genetic structures tend to be a little different in my estimation.

I happen to think black guys tend to have better shape.
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Ya, I mean news flash, X is black. It’s natural to look up to people of the same race. It doesn’t mean they don’t appreciate those of a differnt skin color.

Hell, I think The Rock has the ideal physique, but unless I spend a whole hell of a lot more time in the sun( and of course the gym), I doubt I’ll look anything like him. A guy like Jason Stathom (obviously he is much small just an example I thought of) on the other hand, I could see myself as.

This particular post by J. Prufrock is 100% about race.

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
So, lol at people trying to act like I was making it “all about race”. Jokers.[/quote]

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Oh, one more thing. I think it is really funny how X only ever has anything to say about black bodybuilders. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him start a thread or discussion about a white guy. I mean, before I even clicked on this thread, I knew it was going to be a black dude. But, you know, if it was a white bodybuilder his conditioning would have been off.[/quote]

Really?[/quote]

My comment has been made by others in the past with little to no reactions like the kinds I am getting in this thread. It was just an observation and sort of a joke. You must not get the joke, but it’s a running Professor X meme joke that was pretty popular on here. I was just poking fun. I grow really tired of people jumping at the chance to call me out and make me look bad in order to appear like they are “good people” when they don’t even understand the context of my comments. Take it easy.
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So, everyone is just supposed to know you aren’t being racist?

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People love to point out when X derails threads, but are perfectly okay with their own inflammatory remarks. Well, I think that’s crap.

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Thanks, DD. Apparently, if I even mention anything about black vs. white bodybuilders I’m being ignorant or something. I thought it was a pretty reasonable post.[/quote]

That isn’t what you did…

That is not black vs. white bodybuilder. Nothing wrong, imo, with that conversation. This is a direct and inflammatory commet directed at another poster.

If you were joking, fine, but not everyone is in on the joke. X didn’t seem to be. How could I or anyone else not in on it of known?

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I really don’t even understand what you’re getting so worked up about. I really didn’t even say anything that warranted a response like the one you are giving me. I didn’t say I think black bodybuilders aren’t as impressive as white bodybuilders, or anything of the sort. I simply pointed out how X is the one who seems to never find white bodybuilders as impressive or topic-worthy as black bodybuilders. If anything, that seems more racist to me than me just pointing out that he does that.

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Also, I’m really not going to argue with you over this. I know what I wrote and I’m sure many of the posters in this thread understood the joke. If not, my apologies. But, just because you didn’t know the context of the joke doesn’t give you the right to call me out like you are and derail this thread even further.

If you have any respect for X like you seem to be trying to convey, you’d quit cluttering up his thread with this nonsense. It’s not like he needs you to stand up for him. Hell, I fight my own battles on here. Not sure why X needs you to argue for him.

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Whatever J. Prufrock, your response doesn’t suprise me at all. It’s the same reponse that has occurred for years on this very site. Your post, third post on page 2, is where the derailment started. You are the one that brought race into this.

Let me know when a white poster starts a thread about a black bodybuilder.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
So, lol at people trying to act like I was making it “all about race”. Jokers.[/quote]

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Oh, one more thing. I think it is really funny how X only ever has anything to say about black bodybuilders. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him start a thread or discussion about a white guy. I mean, before I even clicked on this thread, I knew it was going to be a black dude. But, you know, if it was a white bodybuilder his conditioning would have been off.[/quote]

Really?[/quote]

It’s even possible to have a bias toward black physiques without being racist. Genetic structures tend to be a little different in my estimation.

I happen to think black guys tend to have better shape.
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Truth. I tend to attempt not to look at black guys, Polynesian guys because they look so damn good. Their structure is almost always pretty damn good

There are plenty of white guys that have good strucutre but based in percentages of the population. Not as much. IMO.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
This is the same clown who claimed world record poundages on the bench and dead and said he only ate once a day, then changed the contents of that meal three or four different times through the same article. Was offered a ton of money to prove his lifts but coincidentally never came through. Looks good though. [/quote]

This is the guy that did the 8" DL with 1035 and was running his mouth about it? LOL. He looks good, though.[/quote]

Just my perspective…but considering what his efforts actually built…I just can’t laugh at that like I would some guy with NO muscle doing the same.

That 8" built a shit load of muscle…which seems to be his major goal.

Just the way I see it.

He could be lifting 20lbs in that picture above and I would still watch HOW he did it because of what it built.[/quote]

Doing extremely abbreviated ROM lifts doesn’t build huge muscles. If it did, every quarter-squatter in the gym would be walking around with ridiculous wheels. I have a buddy who has done 1000+ rack pulls with this range of motion, but he’s weaker than I am on real lifts and obviously isn’t close to Charles’ size. Those sorts of claims are asinine and no one should get a pass for acting that silly.[/quote]

Uh…it obviously worked for him.

I am not understanding looking at someone like this and saying he trained wrong.

That is illogical.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Whatever J. Prufrock, your response doesn’t suprise me at all. It’s the same reponse that has occurred for years on this very site. Your post, third post on page 2, is where the derailment started. You are the one that brought race into this.

Let me know when a white poster starts a thread about a black bodybuilder. [/quote]

Man, I am glad to see everyone isn’t drinking the Kool-Aid.

Thank you and let’s keep this thread on track if possible.