I blame the 100%.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The younger OWS crowd would only make it worse. They’d bankrupt the nation on more freebies and progressive fantasies. Your concerns are more Pat Buchanan paleo-conservative than they are OWS.
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Sure, you can argue that young people “would have” made it worse. I’m sure you can make a strong case for that.
But the reality is its the older generation who are responsible for how things are today, in ways that affect the younger generation, because of decisions/policies made which the younger generation had no control over.
Thats why I linked to that Cracked article - if you look at how Gen X approached things, and how the Baby Boomers approached things, and what each generation passed down to the next (as well as the policies they enacted)… you see that the situation we have now didnt just spontaneously generate from the younger generation.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Nope, because you are pinning the blame on people on account of being “old”. Their age is irrelevant (as it pertains to the economic meltdown).
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No. I’m pinning the blame on them because they were the ones who did it. I’m not saying “they did it because they are(were) old”. I’m saying “They did it.”
And their age is not irrelevant because older people were the ones in actionable positions. The older people are the ones who COULD have seen it coming, who COULD have changed or avoided bad policies, but INSTEAD decided to cash in on them.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I blame the 100%. [/quote]
I blame them 100%.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I blame the 100%. [/quote]
I blame them 100%.[/quote]
You blame the 100% a 100%? I would, too.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I blame the 100%. [/quote]
I blame them 100%.[/quote]
You blame the 100% a 100%? I would, too.
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Yup. Thats, like, 10000%. Way over 9000.
[quote]benos4752 wrote:
I think Sloth was the one to predict this was going to happen?
Tuberculosis Breaks Out At Occupy Atlanta?s Base « CBS Atlanta
http://www.google.com/gwt/x?noimg=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fatlanta.cbslocal.com%2F2011%2F11%2F10%2Ftuberculosis-breaks-out-at-occupy-atlantas-base%2F[/quote]
“Now an unlikely enemy has arrived to lay waste to these plans, the super-tuberculosis bug. Lie down with dogs, get fleas; lie down with Occupiers, and get both fleas and a disease that can’t be cured and may well kill you.”
Ouch…
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
No. I’m pinning the blame on them because they were the ones who did it. I’m not saying “they did it because they are(were) old”. I’m saying “They did it.”
And their age is not irrelevant because older people were the ones in actionable positions. The older people are the ones who COULD have seen it coming, who COULD have changed or avoided bad policies, but INSTEAD decided to cash in on them.[/quote]
But these responsible policies were the result of bad ideas and wrong assumptions. Why not blame the ideas and the source of those ideas?
I’ve asked why we shouldn’t blame ideology at least three times, since bad ideas are the real culprit - you’ve never once answered why not. Over and over, you sidestep the real issue.
Old people didn’t “cause” the problem at the root - bad ideas did. So, I’ll ask again - why not blame ideology, and look to fix ideology?
Why do you have so much trouble answering this?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
No. I’m pinning the blame on them because they were the ones who did it. I’m not saying “they did it because they are(were) old”. I’m saying “They did it.”
And their age is not irrelevant because older people were the ones in actionable positions. The older people are the ones who COULD have seen it coming, who COULD have changed or avoided bad policies, but INSTEAD decided to cash in on them.[/quote]
But these responsible policies were the result of bad ideas and wrong assumptions. Why not blame the ideas and the source of those ideas?
I’ve asked why we shouldn’t blame ideology at least three times, since bad ideas are the real culprit - you’ve never once answered why not. Over and over, you sidestep the real issue.
Old people didn’t “cause” the problem at the root - bad ideas did. So, I’ll ask again - why not blame ideology, and look to fix ideology?
Why do you have so much trouble answering this?[/quote]
Because you want to place blame on the younger generation while entirely ignoring the older generations part (responsibility!) in all of it.
Sure, if you’re looking for what to blame, you can blame bad ideas/ideology. But if you’re talking about who to blame - sorry, its not the OWS crowd responsible for our wrecked economy.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Because you want to place blame on the younger generation while entirely ignoring the older generations part (responsibility!) in all of it.
Sure, if you’re looking for what to blame, you can blame bad ideas/ideology. But if you’re talking about who to blame - sorry, its not the OWS crowd responsible for our wrecked economy.[/quote]
No, I am not. This isn’t the younger generation’s fault - I’ve said so over and over.
If you want to look at who to blame, the age - again - is irrelevant.
I mean, I get it. You won’t touch ideology. You won’t admit the policies are bad, because that would entail admitting policies you are sympathetic to are bad. But be honest.
“Old people” are just serving as a boogeyman for you because you won’t address the actual cause of the economic meltdown.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Because you want to place blame on the younger generation while entirely ignoring the older generations part (responsibility!) in all of it.
Sure, if you’re looking for what to blame, you can blame bad ideas/ideology. But if you’re talking about who to blame - sorry, its not the OWS crowd responsible for our wrecked economy.[/quote]
No, I am not. This isn’t the younger generation’s fault - I’ve said so over and over.
If you want to look at who to blame, the age - again - is irrelevant.
I mean, I get it. You won’t touch ideology. You won’t admit the policies are bad, because that would entail admitting policies you are sympathetic to are bad. But be honest.
“Old people” are just serving as a boogeyman for you because you won’t address the actual cause of the economic meltdown.
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You keep missing the point.
Who set the bad policies in place? (The older generation)
Who was in an actionable position to stop those bad policies? (The older generation)
Who benefitted from those bad policies? (The older generation)
Who is disadvantaged as a result of those bad policies? (The younger generation)
Yet Lama and company want to scream that the problem is the younger generation “not taking personal responsibility” and you want to rail about the “entitlement mentality”.
Since its the older generation who fucked things up, shouldnt the older generation take responsibility for fixing it?
See if you can pick out the message in this analogy, instead of picking apart the details:
Five people live in a house. Three 30 year olds, and two six year olds. There’s a fire in the house. We find out that the three adults didn’t have fire extinguishers, or an emergency exit plan, or even a smoke dectector.
Now, if I say “The older people in the house are responsible for not being prepared” - would you argue that their age is irrelevant? They’re the ones who COULD have purchased a fire extinguisher, smoke alarm, etc. They’re the ones who SHOULD have considered the possibility of a fire and acted accordingly. And even if the six year olds HAD seen the problem, they didn’t have any money to purchase those things - there was nothing they could have done.
Do you get what I’m saying? Its not that the older generation fucked things up because they’re old, or because they planned to - but the fact remains, they fucked things up. Yet nobody is railing for them to “step up and take responsibility.”
There is actually a major shortage of quality mechanical engineers, chemical engineers, IT Pro’s that aren’t from ITT Tech, and nurses that art history, communications, and poly sci majors could be filling.
CappedAndPlanIt you do realize that there were old people who said that everything that was happening was a bad idea? - YouTube
You are still placing the blame on the old, the blame should be on Old Liberals who want touchy feely bullshit. Liberals enacted the housing bubble when the changed all the rules at fannie mae and freddie mac. Old Conservatives were saying Noooooooooooooooooooo the whole time. Ohh yea then the federal government said to banks that didn’t want to fall inline “if you don’t want to lend to who we say to we will sue you”.
Do some research
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Do you get what I’m saying? Its not that the older generation fucked things up because they’re old, or because they planned to - but the fact remains, they fucked things up. Yet nobody is railing for them to “step up and take responsibility.” [/quote]
You are right, the people who enacted the policies are the older generations. However, where you lose any and all credibility is the fact that you wont admit to the simple fact that age is irrelevant in this discussion. It was the policies. The exact same policies that the OWS would have, and want to, enact if they were in power. That is why age is irrelevant, a fact that you seem to be able to fit into your thick skull. Yes, you are 100% right; the older generation enacted the policies. But, what you like to continually dodge is the fact that the younger generation sitting in the streets like third world refugees would have done the same exact things had they been in power.
Age is irrelevant, policy is to blame. That is what TB is trying to say, and what you are trying hard to ignore. Can’t say that I blame you, if all the beliefs that I held dear were being torn down in front of my eyes for the fallacies they are, I’d try to hide from the facts too.
[quote]Adam Bomb wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt you do realize that there were old people who said that everything that was happening was a bad idea? - YouTube
You are still placing the blame on the old, the blame should be on Old Liberals who want touchy feely bullshit. Liberals enacted the housing bubble when the changed all the rules at fannie mae and freddie mac. Old Conservatives were saying Noooooooooooooooooooo the whole time. Ohh yea then the federal government said to banks that didn’t want to fall inline “if you don’t want to lend to who we say to we will sue you”. [/quote]
I love how everyone just sat there and told Peter Schiff he was wrong, laughed at him, told him he didn’t know what he was talking about…
All these hosts should get all these guys back on and play these videos for them…jokes…
[quote]Adam Bomb wrote:
Do some research[/quote]
You pic used to be my desktop background…I still have a nuclear explosion, just a different one.
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Who set the bad policies in place? (The older generation)
Who was in an actionable position to stop those bad policies? (The older generation)
Who benefitted from those bad policies? (The older generation)
Who is disadvantaged as a result of those bad policies? (The younger generation)[/quote]
don’t forget :
who didn’t make enough babies to pay for their own bad policies ? (the older generation)
forget economics, politics and ideology for a moment.
The underlying causes of this mess are demographic.