[quote]MaximusB wrote:
“My little nightstick is gonna get a workout tonight…”[/quote]
Be interesting if the protests took a turn like in South Korea and all these educated people with too much time on their hands started creating things like homemade flamethrowers to fight the nightsticks with.
End financial aid. We can’t have all these people building up debt just to be unemployed, or working a job where a high school education SHOULD be sufficient.
Occupy DC Organizer | Washington Hispanics | The Daily Caller
[quote]benos4752 wrote:
Occupy DC Organizer | Washington Hispanics | The Daily Caller
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/06/organizer-admits-to-paying-occupy-dc-protesters-video/[/quote]
The very first comment; “There go the Hispanics again, taking jobs americans wont do”
heh
[quote]Sloth wrote:
End financial aid. We can’t have all these people building up debt just to be unemployed, or working a job where a high school education SHOULD be sufficient. [/quote]
THIS.
Perhaps not end entirely, but THIS nonetheless.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
The Occupy Wall Street movement is about one thing: hatred of the rich.[/quote]
Not necessarily hatred of rich but hatred of the people fucking the poor
EXAAAACTLY! Fucking the poor then telling them they are essential for everyone else’s survival.
New black death epicenter?
I went to the protest here in L.A. at City Hall for about 15 minutes, just walking through and checking it out. It’s a bit surreal because from what I understand, these people are protesting everything that they take for granted. Almost all of them had iPads, iPhones and laptop computers. I smelled some primo pot smoke walking through this mob. How can you afford these things if you don’t have a job? It actually looked kind of like Woodstock 2.0, without the things that made Woodstock memorable.
I saw signs that read “Jail the bankers”, “Make them pay their tax share” (which they do BTW), a bunch of incoherent ramblings, and inconsistent messages. It was clear to me that most of these people simply don’t know what they are protesting, or simply wanted to be part of this group because it was something to do with their free time.
You know what’s really funny to me? Is that I arrived in L.A. about a month ago and I am looking for work. Every weekday since I’ve been here I’ve been out and about, knocking on doors and submitting my resume everywhere that would take it. I’ve had 5 interviews, and two firms have called me back next week to interview with them again. If things keep up like this, I should have a job by the end of the month.
My point is that instead of wasting time at City Hall, smoking pot, being angry about not having a job, I’m out there actively looking for work and I’m finding it. Maybe these people ought to be a bit more proactive and they wouldn’t have anything to complain about - just sayin’.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
I went to the protest here in L.A. at City Hall for about 15 minutes, just walking through and checking it out. It’s a bit surreal because from what I understand, these people are protesting everything that they take for granted. Almost all of them had iPads, iPhones and laptop computers. I smelled some primo pot smoke walking through this mob. How can you afford these things if you don’t have a job? It actually looked kind of like Woodstock 2.0, without the things that made Woodstock memorable.
I saw signs that read “Jail the bankers”, “Make them pay their tax share” (which they do BTW), a bunch of incoherent ramblings, and inconsistent messages. It was clear to me that most of these people simply don’t know what they are protesting, or simply wanted to be part of this group because it was something to do with their free time.
You know what’s really funny to me? Is that I arrived in L.A. about a month ago and I am looking for work. Every weekday since I’ve been here I’ve been out and about, knocking on doors and submitting my resume everywhere that would take it. I’ve had 5 interviews, and two firms have called me back next week to interview with them again. If things keep up like this, I should have a job by the end of the month.
My point is that instead of wasting time at City Hall, smoking pot, being angry about not having a job, I’m out there actively looking for work and I’m finding it. Maybe these people ought to be a bit more proactive and they wouldn’t have anything to complain about - just sayin’.[/quote]
I think you fail to grasp the situation, you are obviously an employable person. If there are 1 job opening and 10 people looking for jobs , the best applicant will get the job the 9 lesser will not.
There are far more job applicants than jobs , just sayin
I personally have been self employed since Ronald CSR Reagan , I personally find it easy to get a job, the problem is they are not jobs I like .
Hmm
Heh
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Hmm[/quote]
The planet before profits sign littering the ground is ironic
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
I went to the protest here in L.A. at City Hall for about 15 minutes, just walking through and checking it out. It’s a bit surreal because from what I understand, these people are protesting everything that they take for granted. Almost all of them had iPads, iPhones and laptop computers. I smelled some primo pot smoke walking through this mob. How can you afford these things if you don’t have a job? It actually looked kind of like Woodstock 2.0, without the things that made Woodstock memorable.
I saw signs that read “Jail the bankers”, “Make them pay their tax share” (which they do BTW), a bunch of incoherent ramblings, and inconsistent messages. It was clear to me that most of these people simply don’t know what they are protesting, or simply wanted to be part of this group because it was something to do with their free time.
You know what’s really funny to me? Is that I arrived in L.A. about a month ago and I am looking for work. Every weekday since I’ve been here I’ve been out and about, knocking on doors and submitting my resume everywhere that would take it. I’ve had 5 interviews, and two firms have called me back next week to interview with them again. If things keep up like this, I should have a job by the end of the month.
My point is that instead of wasting time at City Hall, smoking pot, being angry about not having a job, I’m out there actively looking for work and I’m finding it. Maybe these people ought to be a bit more proactive and they wouldn’t have anything to complain about - just sayin’.[/quote]
I think you fail to grasp the situation, you are obviously an employable person. If there are 1 job opening and 10 people looking for jobs , the best applicant will get the job the 9 lesser will not.
There are far more job applicants than jobs , just sayin
I personally have been self employed since Ronald CSR Reagan , I personally find it easy to get a job, the problem is they are not jobs I like .
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I think I understand completely. I’m not saying there’s a wealth of jobs out there ripe for the taking, but that doesn’t mean that the job market is completely dry. There are companies that are hiring, not to mention that I’ve see at least a dozen help wanted signs in store and gas station windows in Downtown L.A. alone in the past two weeks.
But my point was that I’ve been actively seeking employment for about a month now, and it’s been paying off. If it’s jobs these people want - then why aren’t they out there doing the same as I am? I’ve held PLENTY of shit jobs that I hated, but I have never ever quit, or turned a job down.
I’m sure there’s a legitimate core at this “down with capitalism” movement, with actual and legitimate concerns - but most of these protesters seem like spoiled little brats that are throwing a temper tantrum because they have to move out of their parents basement and face the real world.
“They conditioned me in high school to believe going to a 4-year-university was the proper way to pave my future. I took out loan after loan convinced I?d get a well-paying job after I graduate and it would all be worth it. But here I am now, in my 5th year of university with at least 3 more semesters to go and an uncertain future. With constant budget cuts, increasing tuition, fewer classes, and rising student populations how I am I ever supposed to graduate? I?ve reached my max amount of units allotted (A recent policy my school has adapted to get students in and out as quickly as possible, they?re running a business after-all) and the school is threatening to kick me out. What am I going to do with no degree, 40k in debt and an incomplete education?”
Spoiled little brats indeed.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
“They conditioned me in high school to believe going to a 4-year-university was the proper way to pave my future. I took out loan after loan convinced I?d get a well-paying job after I graduate and it would all be worth it. But here I am now, in my 5th year of university with at least 3 more semesters to go and an uncertain future. With constant budget cuts, increasing tuition, fewer classes, and rising student populations how I am I ever supposed to graduate? I?ve reached my max amount of units allotted (A recent policy my school has adapted to get students in and out as quickly as possible, they?re running a business after-all) and the school is threatening to kick me out. What am I going to do with no degree, 40k in debt and an incomplete education?”
Spoiled little brats indeed.
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Maybe not a spoiled brat (at least not based solely on this), but something doesn’t add up. He’s in his fifth year? With three more semesters? So this kid’s either been failing a bunch of classes (and probably shouldn’t be in college in the first place) or he’s changed his major at least once (and probably wasn’t ready for college yet). Or he’s just been taking bullshit classes and wasting time.
I suppose it’s possible that he’s been going less than full-time all these years, but that wouldn’t explain the 40K in debt unless he’s just completely irresponsible with his money.
I’m asking you sincerely, Cap, how does this invoke anything more than a head shake’s worth of emotion from you? I’ve already admitted that a select few of those 99% signs were decent, but this? You hand-picked this one. What do you see in it that I’m missing?
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
I went to the protest here in L.A. at City Hall for about 15 minutes, just walking through and checking it out. It’s a bit surreal because from what I understand, these people are protesting everything that they take for granted. Almost all of them had iPads, iPhones and laptop computers. I smelled some primo pot smoke walking through this mob. How can you afford these things if you don’t have a job? It actually looked kind of like Woodstock 2.0, without the things that made Woodstock memorable.
I saw signs that read “Jail the bankers”, “Make them pay their tax share” (which they do BTW), a bunch of incoherent ramblings, and inconsistent messages. It was clear to me that most of these people simply don’t know what they are protesting, or simply wanted to be part of this group because it was something to do with their free time.
You know what’s really funny to me? Is that I arrived in L.A. about a month ago and I am looking for work. Every weekday since I’ve been here I’ve been out and about, knocking on doors and submitting my resume everywhere that would take it. I’ve had 5 interviews, and two firms have called me back next week to interview with them again. If things keep up like this, I should have a job by the end of the month.
My point is that instead of wasting time at City Hall, smoking pot, being angry about not having a job, I’m out there actively looking for work and I’m finding it. Maybe these people ought to be a bit more proactive and they wouldn’t have anything to complain about - just sayin’.[/quote]
I think you fail to grasp the situation, you are obviously an employable person. If there are 1 job opening and 10 people looking for jobs , the best applicant will get the job the 9 lesser will not.
There are far more job applicants than jobs , just sayin
I personally have been self employed since Ronald CSR Reagan , I personally find it easy to get a job, the problem is they are not jobs I like .
[/quote]
I think I understand completely. I’m not saying there’s a wealth of jobs out there ripe for the taking, but that doesn’t mean that the job market is completely dry. There are companies that are hiring, not to mention that I’ve see at least a dozen help wanted signs in store and gas station windows in Downtown L.A. alone in the past two weeks.
But my point was that I’ve been actively seeking employment for about a month now, and it’s been paying off. If it’s jobs these people want - then why aren’t they out there doing the same as I am? I’ve held PLENTY of shit jobs that I hated, but I have never ever quit, or turned a job down.
I’m sure there’s a legitimate core at this “down with capitalism” movement, with actual and legitimate concerns - but most of these protesters seem like spoiled little brats that are throwing a temper tantrum because they have to move out of their parents basement and face the real world.[/quote]
Maybe I’m reading more into it then is there, but I don’t think the base issue is jobs, but inequity. Or at least the comprehension of and the faith in, whether such inequity is imagined or exists in truth. More often then not, of course, such inequity does exist.
When wealth ascends to a point where the majority of the poor finally comprehend that it is, for each of them unattainable, then all civility collapses, & anarchy prevails.
I am not an anarchist, & am employed, but can sympathize with the protesters. Just to bad so many are filthy hippies & crusty punks, hard to see past this for the mainstream audience.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
“They conditioned me in high school to believe going to a 4-year-university was the proper way to pave my future. I took out loan after loan convinced I?d get a well-paying job after I graduate and it would all be worth it. But here I am now, in my 5th year of university with at least 3 more semesters to go and an uncertain future. With constant budget cuts, increasing tuition, fewer classes, and rising student populations how I am I ever supposed to graduate? I?ve reached my max amount of units allotted (A recent policy my school has adapted to get students in and out as quickly as possible, they?re running a business after-all) and the school is threatening to kick me out. What am I going to do with no degree, 40k in debt and an incomplete education?”
Spoiled little brats indeed.
[/quote]
Maybe not a spoiled brat (at least not based solely on this), but something doesn’t add up. He’s in his fifth year? With three more semesters? So this kid’s either been failing a bunch of classes (and probably shouldn’t be in college in the first place) or he’s changed his major at least once (and probably wasn’t ready for college yet). Or he’s just been taking bullshit classes and wasting time.
I suppose it’s possible that he’s been going less than full-time all these years, but that wouldn’t explain the 40K in debt unless he’s just completely irresponsible with his money.
I’m asking you sincerely, Cap, how does this invoke anything more than a head shake’s worth of emotion from you? I’ve already admitted that a select few of those 99% signs were decent, but this? You hand-picked this one. What do you see in it that I’m missing?[/quote]
Maybe you’re right, maybe the guy has no business being in college - but he was told it was the only way he could get anywhere in life. Maybe he doesn’t know what he wants to do, or fails classes. I don’t know.
I do know that a lot of people around my age feel this way, that they HAVE to follow this specific path, that to not go to college means you’re screwed (and its your fault!), but going to college means racking up debt (your fault!) and graduating with a degree that lands you a job at mcdonalds (your fault!).
I get where you’re coming from, man. And I’m sorry for being an asshole about it earlier. But while the whole “Take responsibility, sack up” mentality is GREAT as a personal mindset, I just don’t think its fair to apply that mentality to other people, because you simply can’t account for everything that’s happened in their lives. You might see a child crying at the grocery store that they can’t get cookies, but if you knew that he’d been told for a week that he’d get cookies, and cleaned his room and did extra chores all week to get cookies, then suddenly were told he wasn’t… well, that’s a bit of a differen’t situation than just “Spoiled brat wants cookies and cries when he doesn’t get them”. That’s more like “He put in work and made sacrifices believing they would pay off, and now he’s upset that, despite upholding his end of the agreement, he’s not getting the payout.”
You don’t have a sense of, if nothing else, sympathy for a person who works hard, believing it’s the only way they can make a better life for themselves, only to have all that work pay out to nothing?
“In the 1950′s the pay separation between the average worker and CEO?s in what we now call the Fortune 500 companies used to be about 20 to 1 (for every dollar a mid level manager made, a CEO made 20 dollars. ) 20 to 1 was here in American and extreme compared to the rest of the world where even now it is more commonly about half of that. During the 1980s the pay gap between CEO?s and average workers grew from 42:1 to almost 85:1. By 2004 it had jumped to 301 : 1. And now??? well now, right here in the good old US of A, the ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay is running 475 to 1 while in Japan, a very profitable nation with a very good standard of living, the ratio is 11 to 1. The average Japanese CEO would kill himself in shame if his company failed so badly that it needed to be bailed out by the government in order to stop the world economy from crashing. American CEO?s take bonuses of 15 million dollars for doing that.”
And why the fuck can’t these boards accept a copied and pasted fucking apostrophe? Is it really that difficult?