Occupy Wall Street

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]WideGuy wrote:
Ahh amazing how full of shit some you are here. Even better yet is the "if you don’t agree with me then you are a pussy/or you can go fuck yourself "responce that is reposted in one way or another over and over.

The way I see it is there are two kinds of people. Those who loved George Carlin and those who are jerkoffs. Feel free to let us know where you fall.[/quote]

Ah…intellectually honest, I see. Giving false dichotomies, saying that people are full of shit for bad mouthing someone, when at the top of the thread you were telling sloth that you wanted to say something about his mother and how everyone that disagrees with you, who you labeled as “republicans” should swallow a hard one, choke, croak, and die.

P.S. What’s a George Carlin?[/quote]

Carlin is a very funny and now dead comedian. You would probably not like him. He was about as against religion as any comedian I’ve ever heard. [/quote]

Just because someone is against religion doesn’t mean I won’t like him. My flat mate hates religion.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]WideGuy wrote:
The people who make the laws are bought and sold all day long by the elite wealthy people that are being protested.[/quote]

I agree which is why our political system needs to be completely revamped.

If I was in charge:

  1. I would make every single political office voluntary. Officials would get a check for cost of living and that’s it. The president wouldn’t get anything since he has a roof over his head and is fed, clothed, and taken everywhere he needs to go.

  2. Give officials a modest retirement program for their service, but certainly not pay them when their time is up.

  3. Term limits for every office. No career politicians.

  4. Restructure Federal programs so that only people that absolutely need them can use them. Not the fat guy that has 9 kids that doesn’t want to work at McDonald because it’s beneath him.

These are just a few, but I truly believe just by eliminating career politicians, the two parties, and making holding office voluntary a large percentage of the problems in Washington COULD be fixed.

I mean how can Nancy Pelosi or John McCain, 2 career politician, really understand what a low/working/middle class American needs when they themselves are not any of these things.

My .02 cents
Chris [/quote]

Yes, more revolution! I suggest to you, sir…Burke.

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The Occupy Wall Street movement is about one thing: hatred of the rich.

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It’s a bunch of entitled losers with a victim mentality. I’m a FELON WITHOUT A HS DIPLOMA and I’VE got a job! LMAO I even just had my career taken from me due to ever increasing mortgage regulation (cant get a license with the new NMLS system cuz I’m a felon - even though it was 20 years ago). So now it’s illegal for me to do the job I’ve done well for the last six years. Do you hear me crying a fucking river? Nope. I ADJUSTED. I sold my pipeline, leveraged my communication skills and found a well paying bartending gig, re-allocated a few assets, juggled a tenant and I didn’t miss a beat. I’m set up for my next opportunity and am taking some continuing education classes (paid for by ME) to help with my next endeavor.

Seriously, these fuckers are seriously pathetic and stupid. They are protesting AT THE WRONG PLACE! Like one of those asshole wallstreet fuckers is gonna look out the window and say, “hmmm, perhaps those guys are right… I DO make too much money. I think I’m gonna give some of it back”. They SHOULD be protesting in Washington, not New York.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the way the Banks have been coddled is fucking RETARDED. I think the present state of our political system is fucking RETARDED. I think that an economy based on debt, entitlements and a fiat currency is fucking RETARDED. I LOVE George Carlin. But at the same time, listening to these “99%rs” whine and bitch about how hard they’ve got it pisses me off. These mutherfuckers need to grow a set of balls and find a fucking job. Wait tables. Tend bar. Shovel shit. Paint. I know a guy right now who’s laid off who is SPLITTING FIREWOOD to put food on his table. He’s not giving up. He’s WORKING.

These fuckers SHOULD have learned a trade or a USEFUL skill. Electricians, plumbers, etc… will ALWAYS have work. History majors? Elizabethan poetry majors with a minor in psychology? Not so much.

If I can find work and keep up with a SIZABLE monthly expense with literally less than a week’s notice to get the fuck out of my former career WITHOUT DIPPING INTO MY SAVINGS, why can’t they find a simple 40K per year job? It boggles my fucking mind…

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Im 23 yrs old,Im in college and I already feel like my life is over before it even began. Im faced with debts,unemployment,the looming housing market,and no possibility of having any hope for retirement. This is a problem caused by people that were too fucking greedy and thinking about themselves. I’m by no means asking for a handout,and I know alot of people that feel the same way,but I feel cheated out of opportunities that were handed to generations before mine. Older people might not understand,I don’t expect them too either,Baby Boomers are the ones that caused this whole mess and us (my generation) and our kids generations are going to pay for it. Yeah we’re fucking bitter and we are finally doing something about.[/quote]

Your 23 and worried about retirement. Open a Roth IRA and dump every available penny you can into it. It’ll add up. I’m not bitter and I’m only 25. If you are in such a bad place join the military like I did. Free housing and great experience. Plus they pay for college. This is a viable option for many people, but most don’t want to have to work that hard at such a young age.

You can blame the baby boomers all you want, but it wont fix anything. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the people that make the laws. They are the ones that waste the majority of OUR money.

Medicare, medicaid, and Social Security are the three greatest drains on this nation and will destroy us if they are not fixed. You and I being in our mid 20’s don’t deserve social security, medicare, or medicaid and if I had my way we would pick a cut off age and then pay for it until the last person at the cut off date died and effectively ended the programs. I don’t want social security, but I’ll pay for other to receive it if that means this nation does devolve into a 3rd world country because our politicians are to stupid to fix the most pressing issue in our lives instead worrying about their elections.

Oh and the looming housing market…who said you deserve a house? That’s baby boomer talk.

Google IOUSA and watch it.

Chris
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Yeah go join the most socialist program America has , the military . And that insurance program that all those old people paid for is now going to ruin the country, I am sorry this person is mentally challenged [/quote]

At least the military is an actual duty of the U.S. Government.

Really those old people paid for their insurance program. I’m pretty sure that isn’t how it works. I am paying for those old people’s insurance just like they paid for the previous generations insurance and so on since inception.

You also obviously did not read my post as I specifically said I am willing to pay for their insurance needs and not receive them myself. [/quote]
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Did your Wikipedia link have a point? [/quote]

That Social Security is a social insurance program .[/quote]

Um, no, its not.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
It’s a bunch of entitled losers with a victim mentality. I’m a FELON WITHOUT A HS DIPLOMA and I’VE got a job! LMAO I even just had my career taken from me due to ever increasing mortgage regulation (cant get a license with the new NMLS system cuz I’m a felon - even though it was 20 years ago). So now it’s illegal for me to do the job I’ve done well for the last six years. Do you hear me crying a fucking river? Nope. I ADJUSTED. I sold my pipeline, leveraged my communication skills and found a well paying bartending gig, re-allocated a few assets, juggled a tenant and I didn’t miss a beat. I’m set up for my next opportunity and am taking some continuing education classes (paid for by ME) to help with my next endeavor.

Seriously, these fuckers are seriously pathetic and stupid. They are protesting AT THE WRONG PLACE! Like one of those asshole wallstreet fuckers is gonna look out the window and say, “hmmm, perhaps those guys are right… I DO make too much money. I think I’m gonna give some of it back”. They SHOULD be protesting in Washington, not New York.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the way the Banks have been coddled is fucking RETARDED. I think the present state of our political system is fucking RETARDED. I think that an economy based on debt, entitlements and a fiat currency is fucking RETARDED. I LOVE George Carlin. But at the same time, listening to these “99%rs” whine and bitch about how hard they’ve got it pisses me off. These mutherfuckers need to grow a set of balls and find a fucking job. Wait tables. Tend bar. Shovel shit. Paint. I know a guy right now who’s laid off who is SPLITTING FIREWOOD to put food on his table. He’s not giving up. He’s WORKING.

These fuckers SHOULD have learned a trade or a USEFUL skill. Electricians, plumbers, etc… will ALWAYS have work. History majors? Elizabethan poetry majors with a minor in psychology? Not so much.

If I can find work and keep up with a SIZABLE monthly expense with literally less than a week’s notice to get the fuck out of my former career WITHOUT DIPPING INTO MY SAVINGS, why can’t they find a simple 40K per year job? It boggles my fucking mind…[/quote]

Again with the history major hate lol

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

I don’t think this is exactly true. My generation has been brought up on antiquated logic - that is, if you have a degree, you will have good job opportunities. This may have been true in previous generations, but it’s not true now.[/quote]

But it isn’t antiquated, it’s still true. Our economy has the capacity to absorb college-educated workers, especially young ones (and, notably, their low health care costs). Employers just aren’t hiring and are instead choosing to set on a trillion dollars in case.

Have you asked why this is?

Well, you may be a bit presumptuous in terms of how far back in history “my generation” was - but that said, I don’t necssarily blame the kids, and I mentioned that from the outset. We’ve sold young people a false bill of goods, and that certainly isn’t their fault.

We’ve made college cheap and easy - you can borrow astronomical sums of money with no real skin in the game, and you can snooze through courses on your way to a diploma and come out credentialed, but not particularly educated. This was a mistake from the outset - and we created the wrong set of expectations by making a college education so easy, because now the same kids have the same expectations about their post-college careers.

In short, we’ve taught young people that you really don’t have to earn any of the benefits of a college education or any of the benefits that education is supposed to produce after graduation.

On top of that, we have devalued the skilled trades over time and basically taught young people that if you are a welder, for example, you are something less than a customer service specialist with a college degree.

All that said, I don’t blame young people for being somewhat angry, but common sense has to prevail - these were always pie-in-the-sky entitlements that could never be sustained, so young people have some accountability in this.

In any event, I’m not necessarily upset with young people for being mad - I just want them to be mad at the right people, and to channel this energy into actual productivity, not just a tantrum that you can post on Facebook.
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Good post.

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good to see you around here tbolt. you are one of the few in here that I actually learn from

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I think Tbolt and AC said it best honestly.

While some of the roots of this protest have merit. It is in fact misdirected, and should be going against the very person many of them voted for. Student loan industry, employers not hiring, HUGE bank bailouts…that is all washingtons doing. Not neccessarily the rich per se. I can bet that all these regs have a hand in making politicians rich however. They WILL hire better CPA’s so they pay less taxes. The tax system is inherently unfair because of the class warfare it generates, the services that are mostly paid for by those that do not use them.

I think many suggestions were already made that are well founded. I agree with the sentinment on practicality first. IE my family doesnt even come close to making 70k per year. I went to a college where I had free tuition, still had to take out SOME student loans, worked all the way through college to offset the costs, busted my fucking ass to find a good job and took 12/hr ones until I did. Now I pay back much more than I owe every month on my loans to be debt free as soon as possible…because paying down 6.8% loans is a good fucking use of your money compared to a plasma tv and shots of patron every weekend.

What they dont teach you in school is financial common sense, basic budgeting, and that everyone SHOULD go to college. While I am glad of what I had learned in college, I could have went to a public library and learned the same thing, and been an electrician making basically what I do now. I cant believe the trades are so disparaged in this country.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
This place sometimes… shakes head.

Good to see someone protesting against the sub-human scum who move money for a living.
I applaude them.

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Sub-human? And, you do realize that those “scum” make it possible for others to actually invest with some level of protection?

I’m not sure who they are protesting, maybe they should stop being lazy asses. I got 5 interviews out of 6 companies I talked to last Thursday. I told two others that I wasn’t interested (not my dream job) and I have final interviews with the all five of the ones I interviewed with coming up. Yeah, it is difficult in this market to get a job, you know what you have to do? Be at top performer. These people don’t want to work hard enough to be a top performer. They expect to be given work because they went to school. That’s BS. They don’t deserve anything. They have to work for it.
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Just curious, what exactly do you do for a living?

CS

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
It’s a bunch of entitled losers with a victim mentality. I’m a FELON WITHOUT A HS DIPLOMA and I’VE got a job! LMAO I even just had my career taken from me due to ever increasing mortgage regulation (cant get a license with the new NMLS system cuz I’m a felon - even though it was 20 years ago). So now it’s illegal for me to do the job I’ve done well for the last six years. Do you hear me crying a fucking river? Nope. I ADJUSTED. I sold my pipeline, leveraged my communication skills and found a well paying bartending gig, re-allocated a few assets, juggled a tenant and I didn’t miss a beat. I’m set up for my next opportunity and am taking some continuing education classes (paid for by ME) to help with my next endeavor.

Seriously, these fuckers are seriously pathetic and stupid. They are protesting AT THE WRONG PLACE! Like one of those asshole wallstreet fuckers is gonna look out the window and say, “hmmm, perhaps those guys are right… I DO make too much money. I think I’m gonna give some of it back”. They SHOULD be protesting in Washington, not New York.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the way the Banks have been coddled is fucking RETARDED. I think the present state of our political system is fucking RETARDED. I think that an economy based on debt, entitlements and a fiat currency is fucking RETARDED. I LOVE George Carlin. But at the same time, listening to these “99%rs” whine and bitch about how hard they’ve got it pisses me off. These mutherfuckers need to grow a set of balls and find a fucking job. Wait tables. Tend bar. Shovel shit. Paint. I know a guy right now who’s laid off who is SPLITTING FIREWOOD to put food on his table. He’s not giving up. He’s WORKING.

These fuckers SHOULD have learned a trade or a USEFUL skill. Electricians, plumbers, etc… will ALWAYS have work. History majors? Elizabethan poetry majors with a minor in psychology? Not so much.

If I can find work and keep up with a SIZABLE monthly expense with literally less than a week’s notice to get the fuck out of my former career WITHOUT DIPPING INTO MY SAVINGS, why can’t they find a simple 40K per year job? It boggles my fucking mind…[/quote]

FUCK and YES

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The protests do have some merit, but I don’t think any of the people there have any clue why. If you look at the clearing house and legal/illegality of how they work and how brokers can make money off naked short sales and the corrupt corporatist regulatory influence. Then yes there are major crimes robbing people and businesses of money and resources. And the lawsuits for all these atrocities have been squashed and brushed aside because of the lobbying and the legal criminal activity it has brought about.

So in this sense, yes these people should be put on trial and held accountable for what they are doing. But what the protest actually is trying to do, is a joke and these people have no clue and are pawns to the elites trying to keep power.

Not to mention the sneaky crap going on from a war perspective to help them maintain power. The fact that the obama admin has just shipped bunker busters to Israel, who has been putting out feelers on a full war against Iran. When was the last time a sitting president has been booted when a war just breaks out.

The ones orchestrating all of this are smart. They have been planning this to keep power and centralize it and the monetary system as well. But hey I am just a conspiracy theorist right, no clue about what is going on.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
It’s a bunch of entitled losers with a victim mentality. I’m a FELON WITHOUT A HS DIPLOMA and I’VE got a job! LMAO I even just had my career taken from me due to ever increasing mortgage regulation (cant get a license with the new NMLS system cuz I’m a felon - even though it was 20 years ago). So now it’s illegal for me to do the job I’ve done well for the last six years. Do you hear me crying a fucking river? Nope. I ADJUSTED. I sold my pipeline, leveraged my communication skills and found a well paying bartending gig, re-allocated a few assets, juggled a tenant and I didn’t miss a beat. I’m set up for my next opportunity and am taking some continuing education classes (paid for by ME) to help with my next endeavor.

Seriously, these fuckers are seriously pathetic and stupid. They are protesting AT THE WRONG PLACE! Like one of those asshole wallstreet fuckers is gonna look out the window and say, “hmmm, perhaps those guys are right… I DO make too much money. I think I’m gonna give some of it back”. They SHOULD be protesting in Washington, not New York.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the way the Banks have been coddled is fucking RETARDED. I think the present state of our political system is fucking RETARDED. I think that an economy based on debt, entitlements and a fiat currency is fucking RETARDED. I LOVE George Carlin. But at the same time, listening to these “99%rs” whine and bitch about how hard they’ve got it pisses me off. These mutherfuckers need to grow a set of balls and find a fucking job. Wait tables. Tend bar. Shovel shit. Paint. I know a guy right now who’s laid off who is SPLITTING FIREWOOD to put food on his table. He’s not giving up. He’s WORKING.

These fuckers SHOULD have learned a trade or a USEFUL skill. Electricians, plumbers, etc… will ALWAYS have work. History majors? Elizabethan poetry majors with a minor in psychology? Not so much.

If I can find work and keep up with a SIZABLE monthly expense with literally less than a week’s notice to get the fuck out of my former career WITHOUT DIPPING INTO MY SAVINGS, why can’t they find a simple 40K per year job? It boggles my fucking mind…[/quote]

Good post, but I disagree with a bit of it. A “simple 40K per year job” is hard to come by these days.

Secondly, as an example, a friend of mine recently graduated with a degree in environmental sciences - now he’s going back to school for welding. Says he always wanted to work with his hands, do a votech program, but since he tested well, they wouldn’t let him. The idea that he would WANT to do that, when he could go on to college, baffled them.

Finally, the whole “take a shitty job” logic, while I absolutely get that its necessary, just goes back to the “no matter what you do, you’re fucked and its your fault” problem. If you pass up shitty jobs because you’re trying to find something in your field (or the shitty jobs dont hire you because they assume you’ll leave as soon as something better opens up), its “your own fault” for not taking the jobs. If you do take the shitty jobs, so much of your time an energy goes into them that you barely have any left over to keep the job search going, and the prospective employers in your field arent exactly impressed that you bagged groceries for three years after college.

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Lolz

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[quote]HG Thrower wrote:

Lolz[/quote]

Love it!

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[quote]HG Thrower wrote:

Lolz[/quote]

That is awesome.

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“My little nightstick is gonna get a workout tonight…”

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

“My little nightstick is gonna get a workout tonight…”[/quote]

maybe he was hoping to use it as foreplay, never know. j/k.

aren’t these cops union? didn’t the unions start sending people to join the protest?

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[quote]HG Thrower wrote:

Lolz[/quote]

Lmao love it