[quote]John S. wrote:
I am glad to see I am not the only one who understands that you don’t have to feel sorry for shit you didn’t do.[/quote]
It just blows my mind that there are people illogical enough to not understand this.
It should be as simple as this picture is to comprehend.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Your argument makes no sense.
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You considered that an argument? To me it sounded as though he was just rambling on pointlessly, ignoring everyone else in his happy place.
To each his own though.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Do you attend a church Sloth? I’m guessing not.
Oh, and yes I do. I’ve left churches for much less than preaching about, let’s say, blacks inventing aids, how whites shouldn’t live amongst blacks and instead stick to their own communities, and keeping a close relationship with lunatic conspiracy racist leaders (like Farrakhan in Wright’s case), etc. Perhaps I’m just far more principled than yourself, and Obama. [/quote]
You edited out this part:
And if you did you abandoned them long ago thinking “I’m better than you” didn’t you?
Looks like I was right.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
That’s true. My white seperatist pastor, with his connections to David Duke and friends, isn’t such a big deal. Thanks for convincing me. I’d been made to feel guilty for attending a flawed church, but you’ve made me feel all better.
Let’s be honest, you don’t attend a church, do you? And if you did you abandoned them long ago thinking “I’m better than you” didn’t you?
It’s easy easy to criticize, why don’t you explain to me why I should abandon my family and friends?
Or easier yet, why don’t you explain how a pastor might just edit his sermons when a prominent half-white guy is sitting in the pews.
Do you really feel comfortable making such a tortured and transparent defense of Obama’s long term and extremely close relationship with a race-baiting, conspiracy theorizing, kook? Got to sell out for party politics?[/quote]
Dumbass. I ain’t making this shit up, and obviously there are parallels. I’d love for you to meet some of the priests I had growing up. But for some of us, when the going gets tough, we just leave.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Do you attend a church Sloth? I’m guessing not.
Oh, and yes I do. I’ve left churches for much less than preaching about, let’s say, blacks inventing aids, how whites shouldn’t live amongst blacks and instead stick to their own communities, and keeping a close relationship with lunatic conspiracy racist leaders (like Farrakhan in Wright’s case), etc. Perhaps I’m just far more principled than yourself, and Obama.
You edited out this part:
And if you did you abandoned them long ago thinking “I’m better than you” didn’t you?
Looks like I was right. [/quote]
Let’s sum it up. If one has a serious problem that Obama attended the church of a racist, separatist, marixst, and conspiracy preaching pastor, then one is a:
I thought you were done with this thread?
I for one am glad your back, I want to hear more about your crazy conspiracy theories. Care to address my previous post? Or can we assume your tail is firmly between your legs?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
So now one must attend church in order to be able to comment on a racist pastor?
Your argument makes no sense. [/quote]
No, you can comment, but I was taking a guess as to why sloth didn’t understand…as it turns out I was right.
Read my other posts where I dealt wit this.
Wait, you’re telling me that racism existed for black women graduating from Ivy league schools in 1985!!! OMG!!!11!! SHOCK!!
Attending a church for an extended time would help you to understand why one would stay affiliated with that chuch. Common sense would tell you why the extreme elements wouldn’t come out while he was there.
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Why must one have to tell you to abandon your family and friends in order to be allowed to connect dots? [/quote]
Here comes the conspiracy, DETAILS MAN DETAILS PLEASE!!!
[quote]I didn’t know you were in charge of all this shit. [/quote] What, exactly, do you think I’m in charge of?
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2. What does you personal life have to do with this? You may think you are important, but in reality - no one cares where you go to church. Nice strawman though[/quote]
Even sloth could see the obvious connections… why don’t you go and pray on it.
Explain these double standards to me conspiracy theorist, I’d like to hear them. Remember, I’m looking for DETAILS to make my workday go faster!
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Do you attend a church Sloth? I’m guessing not.
Oh, and yes I do. I’ve left churches for much less than preaching about, let’s say, blacks inventing aids, how whites shouldn’t live amongst blacks and instead stick to their own communities, and keeping a close relationship with lunatic conspiracy racist leaders (like Farrakhan in Wright’s case), etc. Perhaps I’m just far more principled than yourself, and Obama.
You edited out this part:
And if you did you abandoned them long ago thinking “I’m better than you” didn’t you?
Looks like I was right.
Let’s sum it up. If one has a serious problem that Obama attended the church of a racist, separatist, marixst, and conspiracy preaching pastor, then one is a:
Your not a very good reader, are you. I was making a guess about YOU not a general statement. As it turns out, I was right.
Why don’t you reflect on your way to that clan meeting [b]that you brought up[/b]
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
That’s true. My white seperatist pastor, with his connections to David Duke and friends, isn’t such a big deal. Thanks for convincing me. I’d been made to feel guilty for attending a flawed church, but you’ve made me feel all better.
Let’s be honest, you don’t attend a church, do you? And if you did you abandoned them long ago thinking “I’m better than you” didn’t you?
It’s easy easy to criticize, why don’t you explain to me why I should abandon my family and friends?
Or easier yet, why don’t you explain how a pastor might just edit his sermons when a prominent half-white guy is sitting in the pews.
Do you really feel comfortable making such a tortured and transparent defense of Obama’s long term and extremely close relationship with a race-baiting, conspiracy theorizing, kook? Got to sell out for party politics?
Dumbass. I ain’t making this shit up, and obviously there are parallels. I’d love for you to meet some of the priests I had growing up. But for some of us, when the going gets tough, we just leave.
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Look at yourself. Get a grip man. What a pathetic defense of what, at best, was a very serious flaw in Obama’s judgement (and I guess yours). That he couldn’t leave this church 'cause he liked hanging out for bingo night, or something? This a Presidential Candidate we’re talking about. Yet, your excuses make him see not principled enough, not man enough, to do the right thing because he’d miss fellowship with a bunch of liberation theology conspiracy nuts? If their name’s followed by a (D), good enough for me?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Do you attend a church Sloth? I’m guessing not.
Oh, and yes I do. I’ve left churches for much less than preaching about, let’s say, blacks inventing aids, how whites shouldn’t live amongst blacks and instead stick to their own communities, and keeping a close relationship with lunatic conspiracy racist leaders (like Farrakhan in Wright’s case), etc. Perhaps I’m just far more principled than yourself, and Obama.
You edited out this part:
And if you did you abandoned them long ago thinking “I’m better than you” didn’t you?
Looks like I was right.
Let’s sum it up. If one has a serious problem that Obama attended the church of a racist, separatist, marixst, and conspiracy preaching pastor, then one is a:
Your not a very good reader, are you. I was making a guess about YOU not a general statement. As it turns out, I was right.
Why don’t you reflect on your way to that clan meeting [b]that you brought up[/b]
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You were right that I’m a racist who doesn’t attend church? But, wait. Ok, I’m a racist who does attend church, though I’m snobby because I’d dare leave behind the “community” of a racial conspiracy inspired church… Did I leave anything out?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
You were right that I’m a racist who doesn’t attend church? But, wait. Ok, I’m a racist who does attend church, though I’m snobby because I’d dare leave behind the “community” of a racial conspiracy inspired church… Did I leave anything out?
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Yeah, you’re the only one who called you a racist. I never did. (it was your joke there big guy, not mine).
But yeah, an inability to stick with your community because you felt you were “better than them” is a major speck/log in your eye, if you will. In fact, Tour trying to oversimplify a rather complex religious matter for political gain. Pretty simple really.
Although I meant it as a backhanded joke, I do think you should pray on it.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Look at yourself. Get a grip man. What a pathetic defense of what, at best, was a very serious flaw in Obama’s judgement (and I guess yours). That he couldn’t leave this church 'cause he liked hanging out for bingo night, or something? This a Presidential Candidate we’re talking about. Yet, your excuses make him see not principled enough, not man enough, to do the right thing because he’d miss fellowship with a bunch of liberation theology conspiracy nuts? If their name’s followed by a (D), good enough for me?[/quote]
No, he didn’t leave because he had joined a community. This is the big sticking point. This is why I thought your cavalier attitude pointed to your not attending church or “changing up” churches.
To my mind his biggest lapse in judgment was abandoning the church rather than sticking with them and hammering it home to people like you how important community is. But don’t worry mate, I don’t expect you to understand.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
A bunch of incoherent rambling
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Wow. Someone forgot to take their meds today.
Calling Obama’s church, and Obama’s wife racist really puts you over the top, doesn’t it?
What I don’t get is the requirement that one must attend church before commenting. Where did that come from? And telling people they need to pray?
Are you bucking for a job with the new messiah? Will prayer soon be regulated by Barry?
You are really funny when you are so close to the edge. I had no idea that it would be so easy to get you to this point.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
dhickey wrote:
There will far more people to vote for him [u]becuase of his race than vote against him for it.[/u] Especially all dead and made up voters.
% of non-white vote
Obama - We’ll see
Kerry - 78%
Gore - 80%
Clinton - 77%
Dukakis - 82%
Mondale - 87%
% of White Vote
Obama - we’ll see
Kerry - 43%
Gore - 42%
Clinton - 39%
Dukakis - 41%
Mondale - 34%
Your source does not support your thesis. It says:
but a strong majority of Obama�??s gains relative to Democratic performance in 2004, even in the South, can be attributed to increased support from white voters. [u]Concern over the economy and the direction of the country over the last few years are outweighing any trepidation white voters, [/u]particularly conservative Democrats and independents, might have about choosing a black man.
You’ll notice you stated whites will vote for him “because of his race.” Your source states it’s because of “the economy and direction of the country.” I’ve underlined it to make it easier to see.
Any sources that prove your statement? I’ve shown you plenty showing mine on the other thread. [/quote]
What the fuck are you talking about? Quit being an idiot. You claim whities are not going to vote for him in significant numbers, I am kind enought to show you are article from a black site that says otherwise, you play stupid and pretend like ACORN isn’t out there harassing black peolpe to vote for obama. Either that or you are pretending they are out there educating them on the issues and suggesting they vote for which ever candidate. which is it dipshit?
Don’t ask qusestions you already know the answer to. Don’t make statement you know are not true. I have no interest in playing stump the chimp with you. Go back and read the article again and do a little bit of searching on ACORN.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sloth wrote:
So why attend and support a church based on Marxist racial theology, for 20 years? A church with sermons preaching racial conspiracy theories? A church preaching racial seperatism. And, one rather chummy with the racist Farrakhan, I might add. Any takers?
Do you attend a church Sloth? I’m guessing not.
A church is a community of people. I’ve always been taught that “the place for sinners is church.” If I were to “go home” I would attend my childhood church. This church is horribly far away from perfect. We’ve had horrible priests over the years who’ve done and said horrible things (in my opinion). In high school I started standing up against the shit around me, and guess what? It stopped. Or more likely it stopped occurring around me.
In college I walked moved away. But guess what? I cannot truly “walk away” from this church. My dad still goes there. My friends still attend. It’s a fixture of the community and there is a community based around the church. It’s nowhere near perfect, but [i]it is[/i]. I could have gone to other churches in the area, but I believe the vast majority of them are equally flawed, and guess what, those churches aren’t my community.
I can only imagine the shit I’d hear from people if they tried to connect me to those members of my church. I could go more into one’s relationship with faith, but this isn’t the place for it, and hell, I’d probably be ridiculed for being religious.
Flawed people can know Christ. Flawed people can lead you to Christ. Every priest is flawed in some way. IMO his sticking by the church so long after it became politically expedient to leave them speaks to the character of the man. Hell he stuck with them until that dumbass priest started holding press conferences rolls eyes
Do you really need someone to tell you what sticking with a community despite its flaws is a good thing? Perhaps you should go and pray about it. [/quote]
This is just plain fucking stupid and you know it. Complete bullshit. Any sane person would have left that church the minute that crack pot spewed that hatred. Not unless they agreed with him. He said some despicable, hateful things. You either agree or are completely disgusted. There is no in between.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
To my mind his biggest lapse in judgment was abandoning the church rather than sticking with them and hammering it home to people like you how important community is. [/quote]
And, I’ll leave it at this. Nevermind how ugly the community’s beliefs are, one must continue to support the community. Obama’s real lapse of judgement, was leaving…
Oh Gambit, I’m sure that makes sense to some folks out there. Like, oh I don’t know, WHITE SEPARATISTS maybe?!
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
A bunch of incoherent rambling
Wow. Someone forgot to take their meds today.
Calling Obama’s church, and Obama’s wife racist really puts you over the top, doesn’t it?
What I don’t get is the requirement that one must attend church before commenting. Where did that come from? And telling people they need to pray?
Are you bucking for a job with the new messiah? Will prayer soon be regulated by Barry?
You are really funny when you are so close to the edge. I had no idea that it would be so easy to get you to this point.
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So you won’t fill my day with your conspiracy theory details then? I’m still waiting.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
dhickey wrote:
There will far more people to vote for him [u]becuase of his race than vote against him for it.[/u] Especially all dead and made up voters.
% of non-white vote
Obama - We’ll see
Kerry - 78%
Gore - 80%
Clinton - 77%
Dukakis - 82%
Mondale - 87%
% of White Vote
Obama - we’ll see
Kerry - 43%
Gore - 42%
Clinton - 39%
Dukakis - 41%
Mondale - 34%
Your source does not support your thesis. It says:
but a strong majority of Obama�??s gains relative to Democratic performance in 2004, even in the South, can be attributed to increased support from white voters. [u]Concern over the economy and the direction of the country over the last few years are outweighing any trepidation white voters, [/u]particularly conservative Democrats and independents, might have about choosing a black man.
You’ll notice you stated whites will vote for him “because of his race.” Your source states it’s because of “the economy and direction of the country.” I’ve underlined it to make it easier to see.
Any sources that prove your statement? I’ve shown you plenty showing mine on the other thread.
What the fuck are you talking about? Quit being an idiot. You claim whities are not going to vote for him in significant numbers, I am kind enought to show you are article from a black site that says otherwise, you play stupid and pretend like ACORN isn’t out there harassing black peolpe to vote for obama. Either that or you are pretending they are out there educating them on the issues and suggesting they vote for which ever candidate. which is it dipshit?
Don’t ask qusestions you already know the answer to. Don’t make statement you know are not true. I have no interest in playing stump the chimp with you. Go back and read the article again and do a little bit of searching on ACORN.[/quote]
Dhickey, I underlined what I disagreed with. Obviously whites are going to vote for Obama en masse, haven’t you seen the latest polls. Read what I underlined above and try again.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
This is just plain fucking stupid and you know it. Complete bullshit. Any sane person would have left that church the minute that crack pot spewed that hatred. Not unless they agreed with him. He said some despicable, hateful things. You either agree or are completely disgusted. There is no in between. [/quote]
Maybe you folks grew up in a perfect fairly land where your family and friends all were right-minded folks. Where I grew up we had bigots, racists, fools, drug-addicts, thieves, all of them good people really. But hey lets pretending that our own families and communities don’t have their dark spots. You don’t have a “racist uncle” dhickey? Let me guess, you refuse to hang around him because of the shit he spews, right?
You folks really have no sense of responsibility to your communities at all, do you?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
To my mind his biggest lapse in judgment was abandoning the church rather than sticking with them and hammering it home to people like you how important community is.
And, I’ll leave it at this. Nevermind how ugly the community’s beliefs are, one must continue to support the community. Obama’s real lapse of judgement, was leaving…
Oh Gambit, I’m sure that makes sense to some folks out there. Like, oh I don’t know, WHITE SEPARATISTS maybe?! [/quote]
Now you’re starting to get it. You stick with your family and community no matter what. Even when they’re being dumbasses. You call them on it, but they’re still your family.
You don’t have a “racist uncle” sloth? Let me guess, you absolutely refuse to be around him, right?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
dhickey wrote:
This is just plain fucking stupid and you know it. Complete bullshit. Any sane person would have left that church the minute that crack pot spewed that hatred. Not unless they agreed with him. He said some despicable, hateful things. You either agree or are completely disgusted. There is no in between.
Maybe you folks grew up in a perfect fairly land where your family and friends all were right-minded folks. Where I grew up we had bigots, racists, fools, drug-addicts, thieves, all of them good people really. But hey lets pretending that our own families and communities don’t have their dark spots. You don’t have a “racist uncle” dhickey? Let me guess, you refuse to hang around him because of the shit he spews, right?
You folks really have no sense of responsibility to your communities at all, do you? [/quote]
Evidently Barry doesn’t either.
Since when did the church you attend reflect on your support, or responsibility for one’s community?
Seriously, kiddo - get to your doctor. You are not well. And the strawmen you are creating are horrible.