Seriously? You really don’t understand how church=community?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
A bunch of incoherent rambling
Wow. Someone forgot to take their meds today.
Calling Obama’s church, and Obama’s wife racist really puts you over the top, doesn’t it?
What I don’t get is the requirement that one must attend church before commenting. Where did that come from? And telling people they need to pray?
Are you bucking for a job with the new messiah? Will prayer soon be regulated by Barry?
You are really funny when you are so close to the edge. I had no idea that it would be so easy to get you to this point.
So you won’t fill my day with your conspiracy theory details then? I’m still waiting.[/quote]
There is no theory that Michelle is a racist. That is a fact.
There is no theory that Wroght is a racist. That also is a fact.
It is no theory that Barry has chosen these people to be around.
Are you saying I think Opie and the racist bitch conspired to marry and attend a racist church? You would be wrong. I am only presenting the facts that I know of them. If you think anything other than what the facts say, that would be your problem.
But now - how about answering some of my questions?
That is if you are lucid enough to actually put together a coherent thought. You seem to be missing the boat on the coherent thing today.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Seriously? You really don’t understand how church=community?[/quote]
Define community. A church can be a community in and of itself. I live in a town of 771. We have 6 churches. within a 5 mile radius of the courthouse.
I’d still like to know what the hell a community has to do with a racist church. Or for that matter, a racist potential first lady.
Wright’s church brings in racists from all over Chicago. Is the city of Chicago your definition of a community?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
But the fact that so many people are not going to vote for him because of the way his name sounds or because he’s black infuriates the shit out of me.
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It infuriates me that you focus on this when 90 plus percent of blacks are voting for him BECAUSE he is black. Take the white vote, and it’s probably split. Who’s voting racist?
Take your agruement and file that away as wrong.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
No, he didn’t leave because he had joined a community. This is the big sticking point. This is why I thought your cavalier attitude pointed to your not attending church or “changing up” churches.
To my mind his biggest lapse in judgment was abandoning the church rather than sticking with them and hammering it home to people like you how important community is. But don’t worry mate, I don’t expect you to understand.
But yeah, an inability to stick with your community because you felt you were “better than them” is a major speck/log in your eye, if you will. In fact, Tour trying to oversimplify a rather complex religious matter for political gain. Pretty simple really. [/quote]
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
But the fact that so many people are not going to vote for him because of the way his name sounds or because he’s black infuriates the shit out of me.
It infuriates me that you focus on this when 90 plus percent of blacks are voting for him BECAUSE he is black. Take the white vote, and it’s probably split. Who’s voting racist?
Take your agruement and file that away as wrong.
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What would you have black people do? It’s a shot at something that I doubt any black people seriously thought would ever happen in their lifetimes.
I truly, truly wish that the roles were reversed, and more white people were able to put themselves in the shoes of blacks, with their history and their views on the world. Voting for someone because he is like you is not the same as not voting for someone because they’re different.
I doubt there’s black people out there who only vote for the black candidate… because there’s only been what, two? Ever? They vote for WASPS in every election, without fail. Being as I believe its safe to say that most blacks are Democrats, why would you expect them to vote against someone who is not only a liberal Democrat (like them) but also a black person (also like them?)
I’ve been in a few situations where I’ve been the only white guy somewhere around some hardass black motherfuckers. I doubt alot of people know what it’s like to be the minority, if even for an hour.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I’ve been in a few situations where I’ve been the only white guy somewhere around some hardass black motherfuckers. I doubt alot of people know what it’s like to be the minority, if even for an hour. [/quote]
Big fucking deal. You spent a night or two with some big black guys. Hey, whatever rocks your casbah Mr. Clash. NTTAWWT.
I went to a black junior high. Try being 5 foot nothing, and about a buck-10. I was stuffed in just about every locker on the first floor. Good times.
High School found me in El Paso, Texas and the highschool was only 40% white - kind like the entire sorry fucking city.
Being a racist is wrong regardless of your color. Apologists like you need to think twice before piping in, if all you have to brag about is a few “situations”.
Kids.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Maybe you folks grew up in a perfect fairly land where your family and friends all were right-minded folks. Where I grew up we had bigots, racists, fools, [/quote]
it shows.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
dhickey wrote:
There will far more people to vote for him [u]becuase of his race than vote against him for it.[/u] Especially all dead and made up voters.
% of non-white vote
Obama - We’ll see
Kerry - 78%
Gore - 80%
Clinton - 77%
Dukakis - 82%
Mondale - 87%
% of White Vote
Obama - we’ll see
Kerry - 43%
Gore - 42%
Clinton - 39%
Dukakis - 41%
Mondale - 34%
Your source does not support your thesis. It says:
but a strong majority of Obama�??s gains relative to Democratic performance in 2004, even in the South, can be attributed to increased support from white voters. [u]Concern over the economy and the direction of the country over the last few years are outweighing any trepidation white voters, [/u]particularly conservative Democrats and independents, might have about choosing a black man.
You’ll notice you stated whites will vote for him “because of his race.” Your source states it’s because of “the economy and direction of the country.” I’ve underlined it to make it easier to see.
Any sources that prove your statement? I’ve shown you plenty showing mine on the other thread.
What the fuck are you talking about? Quit being an idiot. You claim whities are not going to vote for him in significant numbers, I am kind enought to show you are article from a black site that says otherwise, you play stupid and pretend like ACORN isn’t out there harassing black peolpe to vote for obama. Either that or you are pretending they are out there educating them on the issues and suggesting they vote for which ever candidate. which is it dipshit?
Don’t ask qusestions you already know the answer to. Don’t make statement you know are not true. I have no interest in playing stump the chimp with you. Go back and read the article again and do a little bit of searching on ACORN.
Dhickey, I underlined what I disagreed with. Obviously whites are going to vote for Obama en masse, haven’t you seen the latest polls. Read what I underlined above and try again. [/quote]
Man you are slow. I am going to give this one more try. You claim whites, in significant numbers, are not going to vote for obama because he is black. I showed you that not even black media believes this garbage. Did I go too fast here or can we move on?
Now part two genius. Have you read or heard anything about ACORN? Do you understand what they are doing? Can you please put one and two together now. sheesh.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Seriously? You really don’t understand how church=community?[/quote]
I understand how his church = racist looneytunes community
[quote]rainjack wrote:
There is no theory that Michelle is a racist. That is a fact.
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Nice “fact.” I wonder why the damn liberal media never picked up on this “fact” or why only right-wingers seem to believe it? There must a conspiracy to suppress this “fact.” Let’s hear it
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Define community. A church can be a community in and of itself. [/quote]
then you say
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I’d still like to know what the hell a community has to do with a church.[/quote]
You answered yourself.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Define community. A church can be a community in and of itself.
then you say
I’d still like to know what the hell a community has to do with a church.
You answered yourself.
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I see you still can’t read very well. For being such a smart guy, you really don’t pay attention.
Let me spell it out for you, since - well - you are an idiot.
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I asked you to define a community as you use the word. You haven’t.
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There are many different denominations, and religions that “church” can refer to. Therefore each church can be a community - a community of like minded believers.
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You keep referring to changing churches as some sort of betrayal to one’s community. Since you won’t define what you mean by a community, I have to wonder what, in your mind, a community has to do with a church.
You do know that we are free to worship where we please, and that no one is under any obligation to worship at any particular church, or even to worship at all.
What kind of vile offender must an atheist be in your world?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
rainjack wrote:
There is no theory that Michelle is a racist. That is a fact.
Nice “fact.” I wonder why the damn liberal media never picked up on this “fact” or why only right-wingers seem to believe it? There must a conspiracy to suppress this “fact.” Let’s hear it [/quote]
Why would left-winger’s want to believe it, or liberal media want to report it? The left is made up of a shit ton of white apologists.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
rainjack wrote:
There is no theory that Michelle is a racist. That is a fact.
Nice “fact.” I wonder why the damn liberal media never picked up on this “fact” or why only right-wingers seem to believe it? There must a conspiracy to suppress this “fact.” Let’s hear it
Why would left-winger’s want to believe it, or liberal media want to report it? The left is made up of a shit ton of white apologists.
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This accusation is so absurd it hasn’t even made it to factcheck.org. Please, explain to me how she is a racist, and how this is a “fact” I really want to hear your crackpot theory.
Factcheck.org on Trinity
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As for the accusations against his church, this e-mail is not the first place they have come up. Nearly a year ago conservative blogger Erik Rush called the church “cultish” and “separatist” in a Feb. 2007 interview on Fox News’ “Hannity and Colmes” and questioned whether its parishioners could consider themselves Americans or Christians.
Here are the facts:
It is true that Trinity describes itself as “a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian” and which “does not apologize for its African roots.” The church�??s Web site specifies a commitment to Africa and to “historical education of African people in diaspora.”
The congregation is overwhelmingly black; few if any whites can be seen in the photographs and videos of the congregation posted on the church’s Web site. But none of that makes the church “racist” or anti-American.
Prof. Martin E. Marty
And in fact, a professor of theology at the University of Chicago Divinity School, Martin E. Marty, wrote this in April 2007, rebutting Rush�??s claims on Fox News:
Prof. Marty: To those in range of Chicago TV I'd recommend a watching of Trinity's Sunday services, and challenge you to find anything "cultic" or "sectarian" about them. More important, for Trinity, being "unashamedly black" does not mean being "anti-white." My wife and I on occasion attend, and, like all other non-blacks, are enthusiastically welcomed.
Regarding this renewed attack on Trinity, Prof. Marty told FactCheck, "That kind of e-mail is vicious and lying, and makes my blood boil. …
Many civic officials, public school teachers, etc. are members at Trinity; [Rev. Jeremiah] Wright has been on TV with his services for years, and no one found them racist �?? it’s smear politics."
Trinity would not comment to us for this article. Rev. Wright, however, appeared on Fox’s “Hannity and Colmes” on March 2, 2007, and responded at length to the claim made by Rush. He said in part:
Alan Colmes: I want the public to understand where your church is coming from, because you're being accused of being a black separatist church, and thus Obama is being accused by default of being a black separatist. Can you straighten that out for us, please?
Wright: OK. The African-centered point of view does not assume superiority, nor does it assume separatism. It assumes Africans speaking for themselves as subjects in history, not objects in history.
There’s no question that Wright has been a controversial figure, a passionate advocate for black self-help and to some, a radical. Jason Byassee, in a lengthy article on the church published in Christian Century magazine, said, “There is no denying … that a strand of radical black political theology influences Trinity.”
He added, “Conservatives may find the Africentric church too political, and liberals may squirm over its revivalist emotion.”
But he praised the church’s success in growing to more than 8,000 members, making this black congregation the largest single church in a predominately white United Church of Christ denomination, saying “the black church continues to makes converts in unlikely places, reflecting a God who makes a way where there is no way.”
Wherever we looked we found ample evidence that Obama’s church is pro-black, but we found none to support a claim that it is anti-white. Calling it “racist” is, in our judgment, a falsehood.[/i]
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
rainjack wrote:
There is no theory that Michelle is a racist. That is a fact.
Nice “fact.” I wonder why the damn liberal media never picked up on this “fact” or why only right-wingers seem to believe it? There must a conspiracy to suppress this “fact.” Let’s hear it
Why would left-winger’s want to believe it, or liberal media want to report it? The left is made up of a shit ton of white apologists.
This accusation is so absurd it hasn’t even made it to factcheck.org. Please, explain to me how she is a racist, and how this is a “fact” I really want to hear your crackpot theory.
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The notion that Michelle is a racist is not a theory. not f you have eyes to see and ears to hear. The facts are out there.
You should really find something else to do besides try and paint me as a conspiracy theorists. You sound too much like Cankles for my liking.
Have a great day.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Wherever we looked we found ample evidence that Obama’s church is pro-black, but we found none to support a claim that it is anti-white. Calling it “racist” is, in our judgment, a falsehood.[/i][/quote]
One has to wonder if you would be so in love with such a group if the church were pro-white?
Pro-White = racist
Pro-Black = racist
You could have saved a lot of copy and pasting and just went with the last paragraph. At least you were kind enough to underline your double standard.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Factcheck.org on Trinity
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The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.
The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.
Hmm…who was the head of the Annenberg challange?
Boy you guys have got it all figured out, huh? Why is it, do you think, that no one else can put these pieces together???
And now factcheck.org is in on the conspiracy??? oh NOEZ!!!11!!!
Boy, McCain himself must be in on the conspiracy since his website quotes factcheck.org!!
Is factcheck.org too a member of the liberal media conspiracy???
Inquiring minds want to know!
by the way, dhickey, I had thought you beyond this conspiratorial BS 