Obama's Pastor

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Obviously politically motivated - but it doesn’t mean it’s not true:

EXCERPT:

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Philly Mayor Would Quit Obama Church
Mayor Michael Nutter Tells ABC News He Would Have Quit Church if His Pastor Made Such Remarks

By DAVID MUIR, URSULA FAHY and JOEL SIEGEL
PHILADELPHIA, March 29, 2008

Sen. Hillary Clinton’s most prominent African-American supporter in Pennsylvania says that had he been a member of Sen. Barack Obama’s church, he would have left because of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s fiery and controversial sermons.

“I think there’s no room for hate, and I could not sit and tolerate that kind of language, and especially over a very long period of time,” said Philadelphia’s newly elected mayor, Michael Nutter, in an interview with ABC News’ David Muir.

“If I were in my own church and heard my pastor saying some of those kinds of things,” he added, “we’d have a conversation about what’s going on here, what is this all about, and then I would have to make my own personal decision about whether or not to be associated or affiliated.”

Asked by Muir if he would he have quit Obama’s church, Nutter said, “Absolutely.”

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So what’s next? Do we see if Obama’s barber is an asshole as well? What about his tailor, mechanic, gardener, etc?

Who gives a @#$%^&* what any of these people think or say?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
LoL@ How terrified some people are of a black man possibly being elected.

Maybe Obama was asleep during Church, isn’t that what most people do?

And that is a very narrow minded view. Because someone opposes Obama they are therefore terrified of a black man becoming President?

If we don’t want Hillary are we afraid of a woman becoming President? Or, do we have Clinton fatigue?

It could be that the reasons that Obama is being so strongly opposed have nothing to do with his color and everything to do with his voting record and other important information that has surfaced.

I would be first in line to vote for Colin Powell to become President- But he’s far too smart to run.[/quote]

I’m sure you’d need to check the transcripts of Powell’s religious spokesman first, because it’s obviously very important.

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Because this is what you call the “silly season of politics.” Since the media or Obama opponents can’t actually attack Obama himself on things he himself actually said, they have to look for new ways to attack him, and new people to attack to get to him.

We have a 30 page thread on Obama’s pastor because of a few comments he made in one of his many thousands of sermons over 30 years.

[quote]Lorisco wrote:

So what’s next? Do we see if Obama’s barber is an asshole as well? What about his tailor, mechanic, gardener, etc?

Who gives a @#$%^&* what any of these people think or say?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
100meters wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
LoL@ How terrified some people are of a black man possibly being elected.

Maybe Obama was asleep during Church, isn’t that what most people do?

And that is a very narrow minded view. Because someone opposes Obama they are therefore terrified of a black man becoming President?

If we don’t want Hillary are we afraid of a woman becoming President? Or, do we have Clinton fatigue?

It could be that the reasons that Obama is being so strongly opposed have nothing to do with his color and everything to do with his voting record and other important information that has surfaced.

I would be first in line to vote for Colin Powell to become President- But he’s far too smart to run.

I’m sure you’d need to check the transcripts of Powell’s religious spokesman first, because it’s obviously very important.

Hmmm let me think…oh yes, you have not yet told me why Obama would be part of a church where the Pastor preaches hate and racism.

When you can answer that question then you’ll actually have some credibility on the topic. Until then you are only spouting talking points for the Obama campaign

Well?

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Again, you stupidly have turned 2 minutes of not so controversial statements (biblically, historically, and racially) into a 20 year career. Since you think 2 minutes of what one person says can totally define the character of some other person, You must feel the need to scour the words of every person Powell has associated with over the last 20 years.

Just imagine if Powell’s minister had suggested that America was controlled by white people!!? how shocking! Don’t you think, since these words of surrogates are so important that the onus is on you to find this out? Just how are you able to judge a person, unless you know what their minister said over the last 20 years?

idiot.

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How many “comments” does it take until you’re a racist?

Is Mel Gibson a racist? Michael Richards? Farrakhan? Imus? Wright?

I have dropped the “N” bomb, does that make me a racist or a gangsta rapper?

You can’t deny that a potential Pres. of the U.S. should probably stay as far away from that type of church as humanly possible.

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I keep seeing these claims of racism and black supremacy (lol) being preached by Rev. Wright.

Please provide links to your references as I have seen no evidence of racism/black supremacy from the clips I have seen.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:

Hmmm let me think…oh yes, you have not yet told me why Obama would be part of a church where the Pastor preaches hate and racism.

When you can answer that question then you’ll actually have some credibility on the topic. Until then you are only spouting talking points for the Obama campaign

Well?

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No, you are creating a straw man. What you have seen are claims that Wright is a major advocate of Black Liberation Theology ( Jeremiah Wright - Wikipedia ; Black theology - Wikipedia ), which doesn’t preach black supremacy, but which does attack whites. Try reading the thread from the beginning for some cites, as well as the actual claims. Or check this for some quotes: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?entry=8159 (and here is Wright referencing the founders of Black Liberation Theology in an interview with Sean Hannity: Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos ).

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

Mick28 wrote:

Hmmm let me think…oh yes, you have not yet told me why Obama would be part of a church where the Pastor preaches hate and racism.

When you can answer that question then you’ll actually have some credibility on the topic. Until then you are only spouting talking points for the Obama campaign

Well?

greekdawg wrote:
I keep seeing these claims of racism and black supremacy (lol) being preached by Rev. Wright.

Please provide links to your references as I have seen no evidence of racism/black supremacy from the clips I have seen.

*repositioned to avoid confusion

No, you are creating a straw man. What you have seen are claims that Wright is a major advocate of Black Liberation Theology ( Jeremiah Wright - Wikipedia ; Black theology - Wikipedia ), which doesn’t preach black supremacy, but which does attack whites. Try reading the thread from the beginning for some cites, as well as the actual claims. Or check this for some quotes: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?entry=8159 (and here is Wright referencing the founders of Black Liberation Theology in an interview with Sean Hannity: Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos ).

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Yes, and what you keep skipping over is talking about “ideology” has jack to do with what is actually stated in church. It is like you all are simply looking for more fuel since it is hard to find.

Either post direct quotes or stop contributing so much significance to it.

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Mick28 wrote:

Hmmm let me think…oh yes, you have not yet told me why Obama would be part of a church where the Pastor preaches hate and racism.

When you can answer that question then you’ll actually have some credibility on the topic. Until then you are only spouting talking points for the Obama campaign

Well?

greekdawg wrote:
I keep seeing these claims of racism and black supremacy (lol) being preached by Rev. Wright.

Please provide links to your references as I have seen no evidence of racism/black supremacy from the clips I have seen.

*repositioned to avoid confusion

BostonBarrister wrote:
No, you are creating a straw man. What you have seen are claims that Wright is a major advocate of Black Liberation Theology ( Jeremiah Wright - Wikipedia ; Black theology - Wikipedia ), which doesn’t preach black supremacy, but which does attack whites. Try reading the thread from the beginning for some cites, as well as the actual claims. Or check this for some quotes: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?entry=8159 (and here is Wright referencing the founders of Black Liberation Theology in an interview with Sean Hannity: Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos ).

Professor X wrote:
Yes, and what you keep skipping over is talking about “ideology” has jack to do with what is actually stated in church. It is like you all are simply looking for more fuel since it is hard to find.

Either post direct quotes or stop contributing so much significance to it.[/quote]

No, I didn’t skip over it - I addressed this before. I am inferring about Wright’s teachings from the fact that from the teeny little self-selected sample of sermons that Trinity put up for sale, ABC news found all of the quotes that people have found objectionable. Don’t give me that crap about how “this is all they found from his 40 year career” when that small sample was all that was available to search.

And come on now - the theology of the minister has jack to do with what’s actually stated in church? Really? No, wait - you said, “ideology” - whereas it should be theology (in a less political church that is). But in this case, the theology is ideology - Marxist, racist ideology.

I’ve gone to church my entire life, and the theology of the preacher is the basis, the underpinning and the motivation for his or her sermons. You can tell the difference between preachers - and you can tell even more when you spend significant amounts of time talking with them outside of just listening to sermons.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
How many “comments” does it take until you’re a racist?

Is Mel Gibson a racist? Michael Richards? Farrakhan? Imus? Wright?

I have dropped the “N” bomb, does that make me a racist or a gangsta rapper?

You can’t deny that a potential Pres. of the U.S. should probably stay as far away from that type of church as humanly possible.

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Uh, no dropping the “n” bomb doesn’t make you a racist. (or a gangsta rapper, for that matter)

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

Mick28 wrote:

Hmmm let me think…oh yes, you have not yet told me why Obama would be part of a church where the Pastor preaches hate and racism.

When you can answer that question then you’ll actually have some credibility on the topic. Until then you are only spouting talking points for the Obama campaign

Well?

greekdawg wrote:
I keep seeing these claims of racism and black supremacy (lol) being preached by Rev. Wright.

Please provide links to your references as I have seen no evidence of racism/black supremacy from the clips I have seen.

*repositioned to avoid confusion

No, you are creating a straw man. What you have seen are claims that Wright is a major advocate of Black Liberation Theology ( Jeremiah Wright - Wikipedia ; Black theology - Wikipedia ), which doesn’t preach black supremacy, but which does attack whites. Try reading the thread from the beginning for some cites, as well as the actual claims. Or check this for some quotes: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?entry=8159 (and here is Wright referencing the founders of Black Liberation Theology in an interview with Sean Hannity: Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos ).

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Apologies if I’m reading you wrong but Mick28 is saying he’s a racist, and greekdawg seems to be referring to that.

The answer to that would be that, no, he’s not a racist.

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I think the theology is racist because it’s explicitly anti-white, and it’s a very arguable proposition that Wright is racist. I’ll stop short of saying it’s proved beyond a reasonable doubt - but it’s getting less reasonable to doubt it with each new piece of information that I read.

greekdawg was mentioning racial supremacy, which is a particular kind of racism - I don’t think that’s implicated here. This isn’t a black version of Nazi Aryan supremacy - it’s just a theology teaching about evil white people, with focus and emphasis upon the white part. It’s anti-white.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

Mick28 wrote:

Hmmm let me think…oh yes, you have not yet told me why Obama would be part of a church where the Pastor preaches hate and racism.

When you can answer that question then you’ll actually have some credibility on the topic. Until then you are only spouting talking points for the Obama campaign

Well?

greekdawg wrote:
I keep seeing these claims of racism and black supremacy (lol) being preached by Rev. Wright.

Please provide links to your references as I have seen no evidence of racism/black supremacy from the clips I have seen.

*repositioned to avoid confusion

BostonBarrister wrote:

No, you are creating a straw man. What you have seen are claims that Wright is a major advocate of Black Liberation Theology ( Jeremiah Wright - Wikipedia ; Black theology - Wikipedia ), which doesn’t preach black supremacy, but which does attack whites. Try reading the thread from the beginning for some cites, as well as the actual claims. Or check this for some quotes: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?entry=8159 (and here is Wright referencing the founders of Black Liberation Theology in an interview with Sean Hannity: Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos ).

100meters wrote:

Apologies if I’m reading you wrong but Mick28 is saying he’s a racist, and greekdawg seems to be referring to that.

The answer to that would be that, no, he’s not a racist.

I think the theology is racist because it’s explicitly anti-white, and it’s a very arguable proposition that Wright is racist. I’ll stop short of saying it’s proved beyond a reasonable doubt - but it’s getting less reasonable to doubt it with each new piece of information that I read.

greekdawg was mentioning racial supremacy, which is a particular kind of racism - I don’t think that’s implicated here. This isn’t a black version of Nazi Aryan supremacy - it’s just a theology teaching about evil white people, with focus and emphasis upon the white part. It’s anti-white.[/quote]

What is funny to me, and I mean really funny, is how upset some of you seem to get…while at the same time telling us (in so many words) that we take racism too seriously. I heard quotes from Wright about “white America”, not “white individuals”. I’ve already explained the difference whether you accept it or not. I must be missing the quotes where he preaches killing some white people or even so much as frowning at them.

Are you truly claiming you don’t understand the concept of “white America”?

Perhaps your perception is causing you to see “racism” everywhere.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:

Mick28 wrote:

Hmmm let me think…oh yes, you have not yet told me why Obama would be part of a church where the Pastor preaches hate and racism.

When you can answer that question then you’ll actually have some credibility on the topic. Until then you are only spouting talking points for the Obama campaign

Well?

greekdawg wrote:
I keep seeing these claims of racism and black supremacy (lol) being preached by Rev. Wright.

Please provide links to your references as I have seen no evidence of racism/black supremacy from the clips I have seen.

*repositioned to avoid confusion

No, you are creating a straw man. What you have seen are claims that Wright is a major advocate of Black Liberation Theology ( Jeremiah Wright - Wikipedia ; Black theology - Wikipedia ), which doesn’t preach black supremacy, but which does attack whites. Try reading the thread from the beginning for some cites, as well as the actual claims. Or check this for some quotes: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?entry=8159 (and here is Wright referencing the founders of Black Liberation Theology in an interview with Sean Hannity: Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos ).

Apologies if I’m reading you wrong but Mick28 is saying he’s a racist, and greekdawg seems to be referring to that.

The answer to that would be that, no, he’s not a racist.

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You are correct, I’m saying no, I don’t think Rev. Wright is racist.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
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Again, you stupidly have turned 2 minutes of not so controversial statements (biblically, historically, and racially) into a 20 year career. Since you think 2 minutes of what one person says can totally define the character of some other person, You must feel the need to scour the words of every person Powell has associated with over the last 20 years.

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This is bullshit. Obama knew Wright was a jackass, that is why he canceled his invitation to the big Obama for President coming out party last year.

Obama knew this was problem. Why are you pretending it is not?

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
How many “comments” does it take until you’re a racist?

Is Mel Gibson a racist? Michael Richards? Farrakhan? Imus? Wright?
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Imus, good one.

Obama wanted Imus fired for his “nappy-headed ho” comment.

What a hypocrite.

It is funny to watch some of you guys try to defend the indefensible.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
100meters wrote:

Again, you stupidly have turned 2 minutes of not so controversial statements (biblically, historically, and racially) into a 20 year career.

I didn’t think that you’d answer my question. Too difficult for you huh? There really is no defense for joining a church where the pastor preaches racism and hate for America.

And if you think claiming that the US government has given AIDS to the African American community is not controversial you’re further removed from the truth than I originally thought…and that’s saying a lot.

Tell me, how many times would it take for a white male from Alabama to say the “N” word before someone called him a racist? Is once enough? How about 5:00 worth? And if this person were a mentor for say…oh…John McCain how damaging do you think that would or should be to that candidate?

You and your ilk need to come out of your liberal stupor now and then for a reality check.

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I could say the “n” word all day and still not be a racist, of course I’m a white male from Jacksonville, Fl, but still your logic is just stupid.

And no, if you’re a black person the idea that the U.S. might have given blacks AIDS isn’t that controversial. The U.S. made black people personal property, everything from there seems reasonable.