Obama's Pastor

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s odd watching an atheist Libertarian defend a pastor who preaches a racial and marxist theology.

I have not seen him do any of the two. Neither have you.

Have you been paying attention, at all?

Yes, I have. I just do not give much credit to hearsay.

This is a politically attempt to smear someone and all they can come up with is the 3 minutes that were aired on ABC and Fox?

Ridiculous.

Wright preaches a James Hal Cone style of black liberation theology. Fundamentally marxist! If you know nothing about this brand of theology, than please read up on it. Ugh. You’re defending equality through redistributionism!

You’re defenidng a pastor who, as told in Obama’s own book, urges blacks to self segregate. To refuse to move into white communities. This is a pastor who turns the crucifixion of Christ into a racial/ethnic blame game. The same exact crap White racialists do to makeout Jews as the eternal enemy of Christians. This Pastor’s church gave the indefensible bigot Farrakhan a Lifetime Achievement award. Geeze!

You heard someone say something Anti-American, and so quick to want to get in on it, you’ve come to the defense of a bigoted, marxist, conspiracy theorist. It boggles the mind.[/quote]

If you would be so kind as to post a source…

You´re free to post sources too, if you have any.

I think you are so eager to hate a black man that any allegation is good enough for you…

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[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s odd watching an atheist Libertarian defend a pastor who preaches a racial and marxist theology.

I have not seen him do any of the two. Neither have you.

Have you been paying attention, at all?

Yes, I have. I just do not give much credit to hearsay.

This is a politically attempt to smear someone and all they can come up with is the 3 minutes that were aired on ABC and Fox?

Ridiculous.

Wright preaches a James Hal Cone style of black liberation theology. Fundamentally marxist! If you know nothing about this brand of theology, than please read up on it. Ugh. You’re defending equality through redistributionism!

You’re defenidng a pastor who, as told in Obama’s own book, urges blacks to self segregate. To refuse to move into white communities. This is a pastor who turns the crucifixion of Christ into a racial/ethnic blame game. The same exact crap White racialists do to makeout Jews as the eternal enemy of Christians. This Pastor’s church gave the indefensible bigot Farrakhan a Lifetime Achievement award. Geeze!

You heard someone say something Anti-American, and so quick to want to get in on it, you’ve come to the defense of a bigoted, marxist, conspiracy theorist. It boggles the mind.

If you would be so kind as to post a source…

You´re free to post sources too, if you have any.

I think you are so eager to hate a black man that any allegation is good enough for you…
[/quote]

Read the fucking thread.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s odd watching an atheist Libertarian defend a pastor who preaches a racial and marxist theology.

I have not seen him do any of the two. Neither have you.

Have you been paying attention, at all?

Yes, I have. I just do not give much credit to hearsay.

This is a politically attempt to smear someone and all they can come up with is the 3 minutes that were aired on ABC and Fox?

Ridiculous.

Wright preaches a James Hal Cone style of black liberation theology. Fundamentally marxist! If you know nothing about this brand of theology, than please read up on it. Ugh. You’re defending equality through redistributionism!

You’re defenidng a pastor who, as told in Obama’s own book, urges blacks to self segregate. To refuse to move into white communities. This is a pastor who turns the crucifixion of Christ into a racial/ethnic blame game. The same exact crap White racialists do to makeout Jews as the eternal enemy of Christians. This Pastor’s church gave the indefensible bigot Farrakhan a Lifetime Achievement award. Geeze!

You heard someone say something Anti-American, and so quick to want to get in on it, you’ve come to the defense of a bigoted, marxist, conspiracy theorist. It boggles the mind.

If you would be so kind as to post a source…

You´re free to post sources too, if you have any.

I think you are so eager to hate a black man that any allegation is good enough for you…
[/quote]

Holy smokes…Everything I mentioned has been posted on this very thread, with links.

Again, slowly, for you. Everything I mentioned above (marxist black theology, self-segragation, awarding Farrakhan, etc.) has already been sourced in this very thread…

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Obama’s latest restatement of his position regarding Wright:

From his appearance on the View:

Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church.

Color me skeptical.

Takes here:

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=11613

and here:

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGEzMjNlMGVmMjJjNWNlYmNhMDFhYjQyNWZhNTk5MzM=

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s odd watching an atheist Libertarian defend a pastor who preaches a racial and marxist theology.

I have not seen him do any of the two. Neither have you.

Have you been paying attention, at all?

Yes, I have. I just do not give much credit to hearsay.

This is a politically attempt to smear someone and all they can come up with is the 3 minutes that were aired on ABC and Fox?

Ridiculous.

Wright preaches a James Hal Cone style of black liberation theology. Fundamentally marxist! If you know nothing about this brand of theology, than please read up on it. Ugh. You’re defending equality through redistributionism!

You’re defenidng a pastor who, as told in Obama’s own book, urges blacks to self segregate. To refuse to move into white communities. This is a pastor who turns the crucifixion of Christ into a racial/ethnic blame game. The same exact crap White racialists do to makeout Jews as the eternal enemy of Christians. This Pastor’s church gave the indefensible bigot Farrakhan a Lifetime Achievement award. Geeze!

You heard someone say something Anti-American, and so quick to want to get in on it, you’ve come to the defense of a bigoted, marxist, conspiracy theorist. It boggles the mind.

If you would be so kind as to post a source…

You´re free to post sources too, if you have any.

I think you are so eager to hate a black man that any allegation is good enough for you…

Read the fucking thread. [/quote]

sources.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s odd watching an atheist Libertarian defend a pastor who preaches a racial and marxist theology.

I have not seen him do any of the two. Neither have you.

Have you been paying attention, at all?

Yes, I have. I just do not give much credit to hearsay.

This is a politically attempt to smear someone and all they can come up with is the 3 minutes that were aired on ABC and Fox?

Ridiculous.

Wright preaches a James Hal Cone style of black liberation theology. Fundamentally marxist! If you know nothing about this brand of theology, than please read up on it. Ugh. You’re defending equality through redistributionism!

You’re defenidng a pastor who, as told in Obama’s own book, urges blacks to self segregate. To refuse to move into white communities. This is a pastor who turns the crucifixion of Christ into a racial/ethnic blame game. The same exact crap White racialists do to makeout Jews as the eternal enemy of Christians. This Pastor’s church gave the indefensible bigot Farrakhan a Lifetime Achievement award. Geeze!

You heard someone say something Anti-American, and so quick to want to get in on it, you’ve come to the defense of a bigoted, marxist, conspiracy theorist. It boggles the mind.

If you would be so kind as to post a source…

You´re free to post sources too, if you have any.

I think you are so eager to hate a black man that any allegation is good enough for you…

Holy smokes…Everything I mentioned has been posted on this very thread, with links.

Again, slowly, for you. Everything I mentioned above (marxist black theology, self-segragation, awarding Farrakhan, etc.) has already been sourced in this very thread…[/quote]

Yeah, I know that a lot of theologians are left leaning.

That he is one of them might be likely but has not been shown in this thread. If those teachings are part of his sermons, where is the footage? One would think that something allegedly so close to his heart would come up once or twice.

Then, I do not look for churches for economic ideas. Catholic economic teachings are collectivist drivel too yet this is never discussed when white catholics run for office.

And again, if you think he is a black marxist, segregationist, whatever, show me where he said it.

Guilt by association is not enough.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
It’s odd watching an atheist Libertarian defend a pastor who preaches a racial and marxist theology.

I have not seen him do any of the two. Neither have you.

Have you been paying attention, at all?

Yes, I have. I just do not give much credit to hearsay.

This is a politically attempt to smear someone and all they can come up with is the 3 minutes that were aired on ABC and Fox?

Ridiculous.

Wright preaches a James Hal Cone style of black liberation theology. Fundamentally marxist! If you know nothing about this brand of theology, than please read up on it. Ugh. You’re defending equality through redistributionism!

You’re defenidng a pastor who, as told in Obama’s own book, urges blacks to self segregate. To refuse to move into white communities. This is a pastor who turns the crucifixion of Christ into a racial/ethnic blame game. The same exact crap White racialists do to makeout Jews as the eternal enemy of Christians. This Pastor’s church gave the indefensible bigot Farrakhan a Lifetime Achievement award. Geeze!

You heard someone say something Anti-American, and so quick to want to get in on it, you’ve come to the defense of a bigoted, marxist, conspiracy theorist. It boggles the mind.

If you would be so kind as to post a source…

You´re free to post sources too, if you have any.

I think you are so eager to hate a black man that any allegation is good enough for you…

Holy smokes…Everything I mentioned has been posted on this very thread, with links.

Again, slowly, for you. Everything I mentioned above (marxist black theology, self-segragation, awarding Farrakhan, etc.) has already been sourced in this very thread…

Yeah, I know that a lot of theologians are left leaning.

That he is one of them might be likely but has not been shown in this thread. If those teachings are part of his sermons, where is the footage? One would think that something allegedly so close to his heart would come up once or twice.

Then, I do not look for churches for economic ideas. Catholic economic teachings are collectivist drivel too yet this is never discussed when white catholics run for office.

And again, if you think he is a black marxist, segregationist, whatever, show me where he said it.

Guilt by association is not enough.

[/quote]

Orion, a direct quote from Obama’s book was linked to this very thread. In that quote, Obama recalls how Wright urged black to stay out of white communities, and in black communities. A direct quote with a link was provided.

Orion, the Fox interview was linked where Wright claims Cone as his theological inspiration. Also sourced.

Etc.

All of the sources you’re asking for can be found in this very thread. I’m not holding your hand for you. Read the thread.

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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/19729398/generation_squeeb/2

But whether or not any of Wright’s “controversial” statements have any validity at all is beside the point. The point is that a country that had any balls at all �?? that was secure enough in its patriotic self-image to stare vicious criticism right in the face and collectively decide for itself, in a state of sober reflection, what part of it was bullshit and what wasn’t �?? such a country wouldn’t do what it did in the case of the Wright flap, which is to panic instantly, collectively leap off the ground in terror like a bunch of silly bitches, and chase the criticism away in a torch-bearing mob with its eyes averted without even bothering to talk about what was actually said. Yet naturally this is what was done in this case; the very first response of the entire national media apparatus was to denounce Wright as a kind of living disease and shriekingly demand that Obama do the same.

…

Now, no one is suggesting that there shouldn’t be some reaction to genuinely toxic ideas, or that all criticism of racist or unpatriotic comments is unfounded. But what we’re getting with all of these scandals isn’t a sober exchange of ideas but more of an ongoing attempt to instill in the public a sort of permanent fear of uncomfortable ideas, and to reduce public discourse to a kind of primitive biological mechanism, like the nervous system of a squid or a shellfish, one that recoils reflexively from any stimuli. And the campaign is where you really see this process at work full-time. It’s something I noticed while spending so much of the last year (and, before, so much of the years 2003 and 2004) on the campaign trail talking to prospective voters, listening to their complaints and their fears and their (often fleeting) enthusiasms. During this time, I started to notice a pattern, comprised of several elements.

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Obviously politically motivated - but it doesn’t mean it’s not true:

EXCERPT:

[i]
Philly Mayor Would Quit Obama Church
Mayor Michael Nutter Tells ABC News He Would Have Quit Church if His Pastor Made Such Remarks

By DAVID MUIR, URSULA FAHY and JOEL SIEGEL
PHILADELPHIA, March 29, 2008

Sen. Hillary Clinton’s most prominent African-American supporter in Pennsylvania says that had he been a member of Sen. Barack Obama’s church, he would have left because of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s fiery and controversial sermons.

“I think there’s no room for hate, and I could not sit and tolerate that kind of language, and especially over a very long period of time,” said Philadelphia’s newly elected mayor, Michael Nutter, in an interview with ABC News’ David Muir.

“If I were in my own church and heard my pastor saying some of those kinds of things,” he added, “we’d have a conversation about what’s going on here, what is this all about, and then I would have to make my own personal decision about whether or not to be associated or affiliated.”

Asked by Muir if he would he have quit Obama’s church, Nutter said, “Absolutely.”

…[/i]

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Maybe Obama didn’t like the racism, but he liked the radical Marxism so much he decided to stay anyway…

Here’s a transcript of an interview of Mark Steyn by Hugh Hewitt, during which they examine the first of Obama’s autobiographies and look at his background:

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=23d13477-3c5a-4cb1-b5e0-e6caef00e848

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Maybe Obama didn’t like the racism, but he liked the radical Marxism so much he decided to stay anyway…

Here’s a transcript of an interview of Mark Steyn by Hugh Hewitt, during which they examine the first of Obama’s autobiographies and look at his background:

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=23d13477-3c5a-4cb1-b5e0-e6caef00e848 [/quote

I agree. Perhaps he did not agree with everything Wright preached, but you have to suspect that he did agree to some degree on these things. It is hard to see how he could fully reject black liberation theology and still attend for 20 yrs and develop such a close relationship to this guy.

I suspect Michelle Obama may agree with quite a bit. She seems a little angry at times.

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LoL@ How terrified some people are of a black man possibly being elected.

Maybe Obama was asleep during Church, isn’t that what most people do?

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
LoL@ How terrified some people are of a black man possibly being elected.

Maybe Obama was asleep during Church, isn’t that what most people do?[/quote]

Oh, I’m not terrified of seeing a black man elected. I’d just rather not see Obama be the first black man elected. Now a Thomas Sowell…One could only wish.

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I keep coming back to these threads to see if vroom has anything to say. What happened to the ol’ chap? I was always entertained by his rhetoric through the last election cycle.

You guys didn’t run him off did ya?

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The right Rev. Wright v. the NYT:

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
LoL@ How terrified some people are of a black man possibly being elected.

Maybe Obama was asleep during Church, isn’t that what most people do?[/quote]

You don’t like McCain because you’re a self-hating white person. What a house caucasian.

/sarcasm

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:

Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much audacity it may have. [/i]

How simplistic. I was raised being told flat out that the cards were stacked against me so that was why I had to work harder. People should lie to their children? Granted, there are far less obstacles for a kid born right now than one born in the 70’s, but because of that, the age of the individual needs to be taken into consideration. I probably would be less likely to have that same discussion with my kids on that same level because of progression in society.

Either way, the fact still stands that many have been raised with the knowledge that they will be degraded for their skin color and to claim that this is what is holding black Americans back is ludicrous. Society did a fine enough job on that all by itself.[/quote]

I believe your summary is a little to simplistic as well.

It seems to be a common cultural norm that those from African heritage blame their problems on others; whites, other races or society in general. This seems to be the case even for those who have not personally experienced any reason to support these beliefs.

A black friend of mine is a teacher and he tells me that whenever he comes down on black kids, for whatever reason, some of them blame racism instead of their behavior. So even in the face of a ridiculous comment like one black telling another they are prejudices because of their skin color, these kids just blurt it out.

So what appears to me is that this issue is much more than parents, who have experienced serious oppression, passing it on to their kids. No, this appears to be a cultural norm with no current basis in reality. And not until this mindset is rejected as a norm will blacks achieve to the level of other races.

When Obama wins the primary and the general election (and he will), then the black culture will have two choices: 1) realize that anyone, regardless of skin color, can achieve and stop perpetuating the “blaming norm”, or 2) reject Obama as a black man, somehow discredit him as having some advantage, uncle tom - etc, and continue the blaming norm.

I certainly hope they choose the first option.