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BostonBarrister wrote:
Jackson, Sharpton, et al. go around claiming to speak “for the black community.” I would love for black people to dispute this on a regular basis, loudly - very few things in this area would make me happier, actually. This country would be a much better place if the likes of Sharpton and Jackson were afforded the same treatment as David Duke.
Professor X wrote:
How loudly did you protest David Duke? People act like I am making strange requests when I wonder why no one is commenting on many of the blatant racist remarks traveling around on this forum so when have whites EVER in majority spoken out against some white guy calling himself a “white leader”?[/quote]
I protested David Duke quite loudly, with my column in my college paper. Whenever people try to attribute Duke’s views to whites generally, and me in particular, I protest. Who else tries to hold himself out as a “white leader” or as “speaking for the white community”? No one I know of.
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Professor X wrote:
Further, why would that be our responsibility? [/quote]
I didn’t say it was your responsibility. I said I think it would be great. If someone is claiming to speak for me, and I don’t want him to speak for me, I generally protest - to the extent I care whether other people think he speaks for me, I definitely protest. That’s me. For instance, when you try to attribute words to me that I didn’t write, like “responsibility”, I protest.
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Professor X wrote:
Every response you’ve made is how you claim no personal responsibility yet you would like to see us speak loudly about some other black guy?[/quote]
Your comparison doesn’t make sense, and doesn’t respond to what I wrote.
The culpability in this situation lies with Jackson and Sharpton. I didn’t say it was black people’s responsibility to speak out against them - I said it would be great it they did, because it would help the problem. There is someone claiming to speak on your behalf. Do you want people to not believe him, or do you just want to complain when they do? The latter is perfectly fine - but it’s not my fault, or society’s fault, or “White America’s” fault.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
As a side note, I don’t understand why blacks seem to vote in such a block for Democrats - it’s essentially unique among ethnicities.
Professor X wrote:
Again with the group-think accusations. I don’t claim to be a Republican or Democrat. I have stated that MANY times over the years. I think the idea of this two party system needs to be put out of its misery. I think anyone even concerned about how blacks vote in majority when the entire system is fucked up makes no sense at all.[/quote]
No, approximately 90% of the black vote in Presidential elections in my lifetime has gone to Democrats. I said I don’t understand that. I did not make a statement about whether you were Republican or Democrat. I already knew you were independent. I didn’t even ask you to explain it. I simply said I don’t understand it.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
Does that mean you’re responsible for Barack? For Jessie? Nope.
It does mean the lazy media has used them as stand-ins for doing random opinion surveys. And of course, even talking about “black leaders” is counterproductive in my view, as it’s emphasizing differences and treating blacks like some separate groups of the citizenry. I’m not in the media though, so I guess I’m not part of “you all.”
Professor X wrote:
Please. This works in court?
BostonBarrister wrote:
I don’t actually understand your question. What do you want to question would “work in court” and how is that applicable?
Professor X wrote:
I mean that you claim you personally don’t agree with stats based on race but at the same time think we should all speak loudly against Jesse Jackson…as a group…because that is apparently OUR responsibility.[/quote]
See above. I know you’re reading comprehension is good, so I’m not sure why you’re projecting things into what I write.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You are playing the same game I assume you play in court…you know, where you can deny any personal fault by claiming you don’t do it yourself…even though you do…just not so blatantly and in a much more roundabout course of action.[/quote]
I don’t go to court. The last time I made an oral argument was for moot court when I was in my 2nd year of law school, circa fall of 2000. I’m a corporate lawyer - I deal with contracts, regulatory law, etc. If I ever go to court, it means one of two things: 1) I got jury duty; or 2) Something went very, very wrong somewhere. If someone tells you he is a corporate lawyer, you can safely assume he doesn’t go to court (lawyers who go to court refer to themselves as “litigators” or “trial lawyers” generally).
That aside, I don’t agree with gathering stats based on race, or gathering information on race (with the possible exception of medical stats, to the extension they’re useful for treatment - but you would know if they’re useful better than I would). To the extent they have been gathered, I disagree with their mis-use.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
No, it’s just the same exact kind of “discrimination” they show against other groups, just in a race context. It’s not really discrimination ( Discrimination Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com ) at all - it’s shoddy journalism. And they should change it - in all the cases, they should require someone who represents himself as speaking for a group to demonstrate his authority to speak on behalf of such group - and should also do independent opinion surveys, to the extent it’s not cost prohibitive.
Professor X wrote:
Wow. When the next little white girl goes missing and the media acts like a celebrity just got kidnapped, you are claiming that the fact that this shows favoritism to a certain race should be ignored because that’s simply the media being stupid and lazy so the effects don’t carry much significance?
I already know your response will be that is not what you are saying…but it sure as hell sounds that way…and should to you as well.[/quote]
That sounds like a good response to me. That’s a complete non sequiter. We were discussing the lazy use of “spokesmen” to represent views of a group.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I do believe many of the problems we currently have are because of too many being afraid of change. Good thing they don’t get those nasty labels though.
BostonBarrister wrote:
Afraid of change? I guess so - to the extent they’re afraid they will need to work harder and will not be able to easily find a “spokesman” they can use to show “back up” for their favored liberal positions.
Professor X wrote:
In the case of the missing white girl, why is it the media is only “liberal” when you want it to be?[/quote]
I’m sorry, were we discussing a study showing the media ignores missing black children? Or is this based on anecdotal evidence? And how, if at all, does that relate to the claim about the self-appointed “spokesmen” being accepted by the media because the spokesmen tend to have liberal views, which the media wants to accept?
