Obama's Pastor

[quote]lixy wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
Though I would think if McCain’s best friend were found to be a KKK member, it would be legitimate to question McCain’s beliefs on race too.

So, now you’re comparing Wright’s comments to the KKK? What the hell’s the matter with you?[/quote]

Scumbag Wright invited the comparison when he called white America the US of KKK A. As a white man I am offended that that racist piece of shit tries to lump me together with scum like the KKK.

I also question the judgement of Obama considering this man his spiritual mentor for the last 20 years.

[quote]pookie wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
No - it would, however, involve removing himself from a church in which the head pastor routinely expressed these types of views - which seems to be the case here.

It seems? Does Wright really express those views “routinely?” The various blogs and articles seem to reference a very specific sermon given by Wright which wasn’t attended by Obama.
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It seems so. From “Jesus was a poor black man persecuted by white men” to the “US of KKK A” to “God Damn America” this guy has been spewing crap for years. Obama cannot be so stupid as to not know.

Did you see Obama’s statement? Talk about parsing words! He has never sat in the pew and heard those words. Which of course means he stands in church.

[quote]dk44 wrote:
How bout, If you weren’t a slave, then quit bitching; and if your didn’t own slaves, quit feeling sorry.

We would all be better off.

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You’re learning!! My hat is off, sir!! (This thread has now been given fresh life!!!)

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Pookie,

Many pages have transpired since you replied to me, so I will try not to review ground that Boston covered w/r/t Hagee, etc.

The only question I care about is whether it matters to the Obama campaign. I contend that it does. I contend that if I am on Team Obama, I would be worried about this. Here’s why.

There is nothing odd about delving into topics that are relevant to Obama’s campaign. This relationship with the pastor is one of these issues. So is the Rezko affair. These should have been dealt with long ago, but the media decided that they would tiptoe around Obama until all the other candidates got washed out.

The problem is, of course, how Obama chooses to handle this. The more distances himself from Wright, the more questions are raised as to why he didn’t do it before. That smacks of political opportunism, and cynics will offer the predictable “all politicians do it”. But that isn’t good enough because of Obama himself. Obama has mortgaged his entire campaign on the idea that he isn’t a politician, he is beyond all that, and he transcends such thinking.

So, take that away - we realize Obama is a regular political opportunist, just like all the other guys. Well then, why elect him? He has no other assets to capitalize on. Once he is reduced to mere mortal politician, he has nothing to offer. That is why this story is a problem for Obama - even if we say to ourselves “hey, he has these relationships just like all the other sleazy politicians”, we have taken away the one lone reason to distinguish a mediocre third-year Senator who has done nothing in his professional life to suggest he can lead a country.

Take away Obama’s airy mojo and rhetoric, reduce him to a regular politician, and you are left with one of the weakest substantive candidates in recent political history. This story hurts that whole “transcendent” narrative - so is it a big deal? Unquestionably.

That is what matters. The practical difference between Obama’s and Hillary’s platform is razor thin - it is the usual hodge podge of left-liberal policies and approaches. Very little distinction. If Obama loses his marketing edge, he has no other cards to play.[/quote]

I agree with most of what you say, and no one will argue that being associated with Wright will be an asset.

Where I disagree is when you say he has nothing to offer. That’s discounting his strengths. I think the man has great personal charisma and is a very good communicator.

How useful is that for a president? I think it can be more of an asset than a lot of people think. A lot of international good will has been squandered by Bush; Obama could go a long way toward mending those relations. He might accomplish a lot more through negotiations and diplomacy, rather than brute force.

As for any lack of experience, I don’t see much more from Clinton or McCain… either of those three will also have a cabinet and numerous advisors to help fill any lack of relevant experience. Not having a long history with a lot of friends to whom you “owe favors” might also turn out to be a plus.

So, again, it is entirely fair and expected to question Obama’s weaknesses. But to dismiss any strengths he might have at the same time comes off as biased partisanery.

[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
Crime ??? HAhahaha come to baltimore city you might get robbed gunpoint. [/quote]

Hey, I was robbed at gunpoint in baltimore…Twice!

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
It seems so. From “Jesus was a poor black man persecuted by white men” [/quote]

What allows you to say that is “crap”?

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
It seems so. From “Jesus was a poor black man persecuted by white men”

What allows you to say that is “crap”?[/quote]

I really think you should have explained your position in more detail as most won’t know what you are getting at. Jesus has always been portrayed as looking like Tom Cruise with a rock star hairdo, so that is how many Christians think he looked even though the description in The Bible is much different.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
It seems so. From “Jesus was a poor black man persecuted by white men”

What allows you to say that is “crap”?[/quote]

Jesus was a Jew, not a subsaharan African. He was persecuted by the Romans who had approximately the same shade of skin as he did.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
It seems so. From “Jesus was a poor black man persecuted by white men”

What allows you to say that is “crap”?

Jesus was a Jew, not a subsaharan African. He was persecuted by the Romans who had approximately the same shade of skin as he did.[/quote]

To my knowledge, it is still in debate (to a very LARGE degree) what Jesus looked like. It doesn’t change the fact that many preachers in black communities have attached themselves to the theory that he had more “black features” which is what I am sure Lixy and even that rev were referring to.

Why would the physical appearance of Jesus be of any importance?

[quote]pookie wrote:
Why would the physical appearance of Jesus be of any importance?

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It isn’t. Obviously, if that was the focus of Christianity, it would have been made clearer within many of those books of the Bible. As humans we make it an issue, especially those who were persecuted here. It obviously allows a closer bond to what you believe if the thought is that “Jesus was persecuted like us”.

The fact that many artists have taken the “blond or fair haired with pale skin” image and run with it…pretty much everywhere… is why some people take offense as well.

A random site about how confused many are on the subject:
http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/gn/gn051/jesuslooklike.htm

Either way, to many it is an issue and since I already know that is what that rev believes, that is what he was referring to.

I will also add that some of you would have to be living under a rock to not know this already. Maybe some of you should actually attend a few black churches so that the shock will wear off.

I have heard much worse in many other sermons and no one walked out.

[quote]pookie wrote:
Why would the physical appearance of Jesus be of any importance?

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It only matters to racists like the good Reverend Wright that want to blame other ethnic groups for killing Jesus.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
pookie wrote:
Why would the physical appearance of Jesus be of any importance?

It only matters to racists like the good Reverend Wright that want to blame other ethnic groups for killing Jesus.[/quote]

My question to you is, would it matter more to you if every image was of a black man and you felt less of a relation? Would your sentiments change if your personal or familial lineage involved some extreme level of persecution.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
pookie wrote:
Why would the physical appearance of Jesus be of any importance?

It only matters to racists like the good Reverend Wright that want to blame other ethnic groups for killing Jesus.

My question to you is, would it matter more to you if every image was of a black man and you felt less of a relation? Would your sentiments change if your personal or familial linage involved some extreme level of persecution.[/quote]

It wouldn’t matter to me. I like black Jesus I think it is cool. I know Jesus doesn’t look like the pictures. I don’t care if a black church has a picture of a black Jesus.

I care because Wright is trying to make it a black vs white issue when it is not. Jesus and the Romans were approximately the same shade. Both a bit darker than I am and a bit lighter than you.

Hey Prof X

You mentioned you were/are in the military. May I inquire as to what branch and what your MOS is?

[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Hey Prof X

You mentioned you were/are in the military. May I inquire as to what branch and what your MOS is?[/quote]

I am AirForce. I separated as a Captain half a year ago. WTF is “MOS”?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
pookie wrote:
Why would the physical appearance of Jesus be of any importance?

It only matters to racists like the good Reverend Wright that want to blame other ethnic groups for killing Jesus.

My question to you is, would it matter more to you if every image was of a black man and you felt less of a relation? Would your sentiments change if your personal or familial linage involved some extreme level of persecution.

It wouldn’t matter to me. I like black Jesus I think it is cool. I know Jesus doesn’t look like the pictures. I don’t care if a black church has a picture of a black Jesus.

I care because Wright is trying to make it a black vs white issue when it is not. Jesus and the Romans were approximately the same shade. Both a bit darker than I am and a bit lighter than you.
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Knowing you, like I would like to think I do at least a little, i wouldn’t expect it to be much of an issue. However, I have no doubt that it would be an issue to millions if the situation was in reverse.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:
Hey Prof X

You mentioned you were/are in the military. May I inquire as to what branch and what your MOS is?

I am AirForce. I separated as a Captain half a year ago. WTF is “MOS”?[/quote]

Military Occupational Specialty. Maybe it is just a Marine Corps thing.

[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:
Hey Prof X

You mentioned you were/are in the military. May I inquire as to what branch and what your MOS is?

I am AirForce. I separated as a Captain half a year ago. WTF is “MOS”?

Military Occupational Specialty. Maybe it is just a Marine Corps thing.[/quote]

I was a doctor and I don’t think USAF uses that term at all. At least I haven’t heard it, but then, I was an officer. I knew my “specialty” before I joined.

[quote]Jprocrastinator wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Obama is clearly the antichrist.

Said the goat that talks like a man…

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Real original. Glad the writers strike is over or I might not have had the luxury of reading that gem.