“Tiribulus” it may shock you, but our Country’s Foundation was NOT as “Christian”
as Glenn Beck and his friends told you it was, many were “Freemasons” as well, whom Pope Leo
around a Century ago or so said paraphrasing…was 'Satanic, and ‘our greatest enemy’.
Ever study the Layout of Washington D.C.??
there’s SOOOO much more to this, I was duped by this myself…I agree with alot of things you say,
and actually admire the Faith, the Sinner that I am anyway, just cool it on our so-called
Christian Roots, because there was ALOT of Freemasonry heavily intertwined within the fabric.
[quote]Karado wrote:
“Tiribulus” it may shock you, but our Country’s Foundation was NOT as “Christian”
as Glenn Beck and his friends told you it was, many were “Freemasons” as well, whom Pope Leo
around a Century ago or so said paraphrasing…was 'Satanic, and ‘our greatest enemy’.
Ever study the Layout of Washington D.C.??
there’s SOOOO much more to this, I was duped by this myself…I agree with alot of things you say,
and actually admire the Faith, the Sinner that I am anyway, just cool it on our so-called
Christian Roots, because there was ALOT of Freemasonry heavily intertwined within the fabric.
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Freemasonry membership required and still requires a belief in a monotheistic God. To be fair, they are very liberal in the theological distinctions of the nature of the deity itself.
[quote]Legionary wrote:<<< a holder of a PhD in History who also happens to be a devout Christian and ordained Baptist minister.[/quote]Forgive me man, but a cereal box is more reliable than many people allegedly educated in history and being ordained means almost nothing anymore. In fact, you may think I’m blaming the non Christian citizenry of this nation for her ills. No sir. The CHURCH, who has forsaken the very gospel that was utterly mainstream in the 18th and 19th centuries here, the one I preach, has been seduced by every imaginable form of compromise modernistic heresy and immorality.
WE are the salt and the light of the earth. Jesus said so. He also said that if the salt loses it’s saltiness it is useless. Salt is a metaphor for preserving from rot. We have lost our saltiness. With continued civility and respect, the fact you and dozens of others here call just about anything Christian demonstrates my point. I’m not being sarcastic. “Christian” meant something then that just about everybody agreed on in the essentials. The essentials that I talk about here every day. I’m simply what they were. Ya’ll are the weird ones by the standard of our early history. I’m not being a jackass man. That is the truth though.
[quote]Legionary wrote:<<< Respectfully,a ton of studying on your own does not equate the expertise gained by formal study in this day and age. Reading is excellent and is to be highly commended but nothing beats hands on experience with a subject matter expert. I say respectfully because as much as we disagree, its painfully obvious that you are a very sharp guy and would have excelled in College had you the opportunity to attend.[/quote]I truly appreciate your respect. I mean that. Respectfully in return, there is nothing in at least a secular college classroom that I am lacking for what God has me on this planet for. I have been entirely unimpressed where it matters most by the effects of formal education on those with tons of it that I’ve met. Even here. VERY intelligent, VERY educated folks, who I like and do respect very much, but who can’t tell a tenth grade dropout why they believe 2+2=4. Not even Kamui who has come the closest.
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It comes from a genuine place. As far as the epistemology of numerical functions goes, I believe Dr. Matt answered the question quite adequately.
[quote]Karado wrote:
“Tiribulus” it may shock you, but our Country’s Foundation was NOT as “Christian”
as Glenn Beck and his friends told you it was, many were “Freemasons” as well, whom Pope Leo
around a Century ago or so said paraphrasing…was 'Satanic, and ‘our greatest enemy’.
Ever study the Layout of Washington D.C.??
there’s SOOOO much more to this, I was duped by this myself…I agree with alot of things you say,
and actually admire the Faith, the Sinner that I am anyway, just cool it on our so-called
Christian Roots, because there was ALOT of Freemasonry heavily intertwined within the fabric.
[/quote]Friend I could have done Glenn Beck’s show 20 years ago. My wife will tell you. He didn’t teach me anything. I thought I was listening to myself the times I heard him. I’m not makin this up btw.
[quote]Legionary wrote:<<< Respectfully,a ton of studying on your own does not equate the expertise gained by formal study in this day and age. Reading is excellent and is to be highly commended but nothing beats hands on experience with a subject matter expert. I say respectfully because as much as we disagree, its painfully obvious that you are a very sharp guy and would have excelled in College had you the opportunity to attend.[/quote]I truly appreciate your respect. I mean that. Respectfully in return, there is nothing in at least a secular college classroom that I am lacking for what God has me on this planet for. I have been entirely unimpressed where it matters most by the effects of formal education on those with tons of it that I’ve met. Even here. VERY intelligent, VERY educated folks, who I like and do respect very much, but who can’t tell a tenth grade dropout why they believe 2+2=4. Not even Kamui who has come the closest.
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It comes from a genuine place. As far as the epistemology of numerical functions goes, I believe Dr. Matt answered the question quite adequately. [/quote]That’s a whole other discussion, but DrMatt never even understood the question. Even Groo saw it. He’s a very smart guy which was and is cool to me and I plan to try again with him if I get the time. However his degree got him exactly nothing in that arena. Nothing. He’s just one guy anyway and this is just one website. I had the 2+2=4 debate with people face to face before the internet age.
[quote]Legionary wrote:<<< a holder of a PhD in History who also happens to be a devout Christian and ordained Baptist minister.[/quote]Forgive me man, but a cereal box is more reliable than many people allegedly educated in history and being ordained means almost nothing anymore. In fact, you may think I’m blaming the non Christian citizenry of this nation for her ills. No sir. The CHURCH, who has forsaken the very gospel that was utterly mainstream in the 18th and 19th centuries here, the one I preach, has been seduced by every imaginable form of compromise modernistic heresy and immorality. WE are the salt and the light of the earth. Jesus said so. He also said that if the salt loses it’s saltiness it is useless. Salt is a metaphor for preserving from rot. We have lost our saltiness. With continued civility and respect, the fact you and dozens of others here call just about anything Christian demonstrates my point. I’m not being sarcastic. “Christian” meant something then that just everybody agreed on in the essentials. The essentials that I talk about here every day. I’m simply what they were. Ya’ll are the weird ones by the standard of our early history. I’m not being a jackass man. That is the truth though.
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Yes, a PhD holder who has published a plethora of academic work on Christianity in America and is incredibly involved in ministry is surely not credible. Not to mention his professional expertise as a Intelligence Analyst both in the military and the Central Intelligence Agency, as well as numerous postings as an American Ambassador. You obviously come out on top with your divinely revealed knowledge of scripture in spite of of such incredibly rigorous training and professional experience.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Seeing how America just took a step towards a larger California, let me fill you all in on what will happen…
More food stamps, lowering the tax brackets (meaning that being “rich” will shift to a smaller income, here it’s $47k per year), tons of regulations, welfare, the list is long and endless. [/quote]
Why dont you move?[/quote]
More turds of wisdom.
Some people prefer to stay and do what they can to make their country a better place, rather than just give up and let it swirl down the toilet.
[quote]Karado wrote:
Chuck Norris practically predicted a Zombie Apocalypse if he was re-elected, and Conspiracy Theorists are probably going Batshit right now…Interesting times indeed.[/quote]
I dont think there is a conspiracy I think we as a country are just that dumb. [/quote]We’re not dumb. We’re corrupt. This has nothing to do with intelligence.
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I don’t think so. I think we’re dumb as bricks–come on, in a country where the majority of people think quality programming is Jersey Shore and Honey boo boo? where a lot of people cant properly name all fifty states? Noooo.
[quote]Legionary wrote:<<< a holder of a PhD in History who also happens to be a devout Christian and ordained Baptist minister.[/quote]Forgive me man, but a cereal box is more reliable than many people allegedly educated in history and being ordained means almost nothing anymore. In fact, you may think I’m blaming the non Christian citizenry of this nation for her ills. No sir. The CHURCH, who has forsaken the very gospel that was utterly mainstream in the 18th and 19th centuries here, the one I preach, has been seduced by every imaginable form of compromise modernistic heresy and immorality. WE are the salt and the light of the earth. Jesus said so. He also said that if the salt loses it’s saltiness it is useless. Salt is a metaphor for preserving from rot. We have lost our saltiness. With continued civility and respect, the fact you and dozens of others here call just about anything Christian demonstrates my point. I’m not being sarcastic. “Christian” meant something then that just everybody agreed on in the essentials. The essentials that I talk about here every day. I’m simply what they were. Ya’ll are the weird ones by the standard of our early history. I’m not being a jackass man. That is the truth though.
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Yes, a PhD holder who has published a plethora of academic work on Christianity in America and is incredibly involved in ministry is surely not credible. Not to mention his professional expertise as a Intelligence Analyst both in the military and the Central Intelligence Agency, as well as numerous postings as an American Ambassador. You obviously come out on top with your divinely revealed knowledge of scripture in spite of of such incredibly rigorous training and professional experience.[/quote]That’s entirely possible. “Incredibly rigorous training and professional experience” prove nothing in these kinds of topics by themselves. None of that necessarily gets me excited and ministry means what? The worst enemies of the gospel today are ministers allegedly of it. I’m only being honest. Bring him here. I’d be happy to talk to him. However, I don’t have any unique extra sanctified “divinely revealed knowledge of scripture”. I simply see what millions of other historic Christians have and do see there.
[quote]Cortes wrote:Well, this thread was interesting for a while. [/quote]It was?
Don’t you be gittin all grumpy now because our people want a Marxist for their president.
Here come the SCOTUS appointments and exploding government and debt that will make his first term look conservative. Victory they say. I see people with bullets in their heads, bleeding profusely waving signs adoring their attacker.
[quote]Legionary wrote:
I don’t think you have ground to stand on if your going to argue against the views of my mentor, a holder of a PhD in History who also happens to be a devout Christian and ordained Baptist minister. He has no agenda to propagate.
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My lib professor has more letters after his name than your lib professor! You don’t know nuthin’.
Goodness gracious that’s Apocalyptic Tiribulus, I thought the Book of Revelation happened already
and the “Beast” was Emperor Nero, as opposed to the notion that John at Patmos was speaking
directly to US, 21st Century humanity…to US…PRESENT DAY! (not likely).
[quote]Legionary wrote:<<< What degrees did you earn btw?[/quote]Don’t try this game with me. I have no degrees. I’m a tenth grade dropout who should not have lived out of my teens and almost didn’t several times. My avatar says “Powered By Jesus”. He’s all I need. I have done a ton of studying on my own. For the record. There’s certainly nothing wrong with education, but it only makes self destruction all the more efficient without morality which is infinitely more important.
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Respectfully,a ton of studying on your own does not equate the expertise gained by formal study in this day and age. Reading is excellent and is to be highly commended but nothing beats hands on experience with a subject matter expert. I say respectfully because as much as we disagree, its painfully obvious that you are a very sharp guy and would have excelled in College had you the opportunity to attend.[/quote]
I respectfully partially disagree. Tirib and I have had and continue to have serious differences of opinion, but I have known a lot, I mean a LOT of college grads who couldnt bloody tie their own shoes much less understand half of the concepts tirib is familiar with in philosophy and critical thinking. Hell, I know people who graduated college who would get stomped by tirib in an economics discussion…just because somebody has a piece of paper doesnt mean they are competent.
It might make it more likely in one specific area, but it doesn’t necessarily lead to it. Sharp is sharp regardless of college education or self-study. For instance, I have caught a couple doctors in false diagnoses even tho I have absolutely zero med school training. Aaaaand I was proved correct. Arguments deserve consideration on their merits when stated cogently, even if it is from somebody who didnt make it out of college or high school.
Obviously dedicated professional study deserves respect (which is one area I think Tirib is overly stubborn)
[quote]Karado wrote:
Goodness gracious that’s Apocalyptic Tiribulus, I thought the Book of Revelation happened already
and the “Beast” was Emperor Nero, as opposed to the notion that John at Patmos was speaking
directly to US, 21st Century humanity…to US…PRESENT DAY! (not likely).[/quote]It was an analogy. People remind me of the Sheriff of Nottingham in this classic. “You are too kind your majesty”
[quote]Karado wrote:
“Tiribulus” it may shock you, but our Country’s Foundation was NOT as “Christian”
as Glenn Beck and his friends told you it was, many were “Freemasons” as well, whom Pope Leo
around a Century ago or so said paraphrasing…was 'Satanic, and ‘our greatest enemy’.
Ever study the Layout of Washington D.C.??
there’s SOOOO much more to this, I was duped by this myself…I agree with alot of things you say,
and actually admire the Faith, the Sinner that I am anyway, just cool it on our so-called
Christian Roots, because there was ALOT of Freemasonry heavily intertwined within the fabric.
[/quote]
Freemasonry membership required and still requires a belief in a monotheistic God. To be fair, they are very liberal in the theological distinctions of the nature of the deity itself.[/quote]
Yes and also Freemasonry is not a theology or religion as Karado seems to be implying? It is a collection of people with theistic views which may differ dramatically. There is no kind of “Freemason theology”.
