ZEB is notably absent, no joke here, I hope he’s okay.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< Problem with health care is that it remains unpopular. >>>[/quote]What does that really mean anymore? Rasmussen showed sizable majorities wanting repeal and double digit deficits in the job approval poll for 2 and a half years and he murdered Romney.
Some possibilities. 1. People really are stoopid. 2. The polling was astronomically off and not just Rasmussen. 3. As an extension of two, our citizens have largely bought into full on socialism even if they don’t actually know that’s what it is and that fact somehow does not translate into polls answers. I dunno LOL!! This country is now clearly populated with followers who ARE willing to let someone else give them security rather than make their own.
I think the day has finally come when I am no longer proud to be an American. My America has died and from her ashes is rising a nation of people who have no idea who and what she once was. It’s sad, but ultimately, it doesn’t really matter to me. My citizenship is not of this gasping dying nation or this sick and twisted world.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
If you want to see a perfect example of how this board effects perception, look at how many people deluded themselves into believing Romney had a good chance of winning the election. [/quote]
raj:
I’m glad you posted this, bacause I have now “called” the last two elections wrong…VERY wrong…and I think I know why. It’s my mis-judgment of enthusiasm…and what it does (or does not) mean.
First…2008:
I COMPLETELY underestimated the enthusiasm out there for the then candidate Obama…and over-estimated McCain’s, especially leading out of the GOP convention. Even now, whether one chooses to like him or not…the President “connects” with a lot of people.
One GOP Pundit put it well last night:
“…Romney told people he could solve their problems…the President went furthur and said I understand your problems…”
That obviously resonated with a lot of people.
And 2012:
While I didn’t over-estimate the scope and degree of disdain and absolute hate out there that exist for the President…I did over-estimate how that would translate into the Voting box.
I’m sure all of you have heard it…hate is a terrible motivator…and it is. And while there is no question that there is a portion of the electorate that truly were “for” Romney…I would guess (but cannot prove) there was a much larger % of what I called “Not Obama” voting; while on the flip-side, the President had a much larger % of voters whom were “for” him. (This was proven in poll after poll of likeability going back to when the President was first running).
I also underestimated this thing I kept hearing about concerning “boots-on-the-ground” or the “ground game” of the President. In many ways, despite all of our technology…elections STILL depend a lot on phone calls and knocking on doors.
Mufasa
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
In my own defense, I left this forum when it became overwhelmingly populated with Republicans and I did not have the time to argue with ten different people at once, on my own…
I was arguing here before most of the people on this sub=forum joined T-Nation.
[/quote]
Hey I remember. Hence me stating that ‘For months, you guys had been criticizing/demonizing President Obama, and we let you…blah blah blah…’
I guess, as well as this subforum getting overran by Republicans, some people were just put off with the elitist and dismissive attitude some posters have here and wouldn’t bother join the discussion any more.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
ZEB is notably absent, no joke here, I hope he’s okay. [/quote]
Probably crying and masturbating to his Rush Limbaugh poster.[/quote]
Hahaha!!
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< Problem with health care is that it remains unpopular. >>>[/quote]What does that really mean anymore? Rasmussen showed sizable majorities wanting repeal and double digit deficits in the job approval poll for 2 and a half years and he murdered Romney.
Some possibilities. 1. People really are stoopid. 2. The polling was astronomically off and not just Rasmussen. 3. As an extension of two, our citizens have largely bought into full on socialism even if they don’t actually know that’s what it is and that fact somehow does not translate into polls answers. I dunno LOL!! This country is now clearly populated with followers who ARE willing to let someone else give them security rather than make their own.
I think the day has finally come when I am no longer proud to be an American. My America has died and from her ashes is rising a nation of people who have no idea who and what she once was. It’s sad, but ultimately, it doesn’t really matter to me. My citizenship is not of this gasping dying nation or this sick and twisted world.
[/quote]
Fear not, for it can always get worse.
My state now obtained a 2/3 majority in the state Assembly and Senate, meaning there are more tax taking welfare-queens in office here than required to pass any tax increase they want.
For any of you struggling, come out my way, more welfare than you ever need, and oh we just removed the fingerprint requirement to obtain it, because “fraud never happens.”
[quote]Aragorn wrote:<<< I do however understand your good intentions.[/quote]Well I certainly hope so because I was not looking to argue theology with you at all. The Romans 2 thread WILL happen. Part of the delay is my fault for not being able to effectively crystallize my position. (long different story) I’m not lookin to straighten you out either. I hope to hear from you.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The GOP hysterics about all of this - which were conspicuously absent during the Bush years of mass tax cuts while fighting two foreign wars - did not scare me this election, and they do not scare me now.[/quote]
Well, here, I think, is the difference - it should have scared you. It scared me. Just because Republicans whistled past it from 2000-2008 as matter of convenience (and they did) doesn’t mean they were right about it.
That’s the real rub - both parties have refused to handle this responsibly: Bush-era Republicans irresponsibly said “nothing to worry about, tax cuts will make magic and pay for everything, you’ll see” and Democrats irresponsibly said “reform these entitlements? Hell, we need more of them - and supersize them - and our society is rich, and there will be enough rich people to pick up the tab when the bill comes”.
I am hoping the Mayans are right, only 54 more days.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I think the day has finally come when I am no longer proud to be an American. [/quote]
If this is true, then they won… Gramsci has won.
I love my country and always will. She has made some mistakes and we’ve worked to fix them before, we will do it again.
Last night is just a difference of opinion as long as you love America and fight for her. Just might have to weather a little more storm is all.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
some people were just put off with the elitist and dismissive attitude some posters have here [/quote]
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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
ZEB is notably absent, no joke here, I hope he’s okay. [/quote]
Probably crying and masturbating to his Rush Limbaugh poster.[/quote]
Hahaha!!
[/quote]
Can we get over the petty shit now please
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I think the day has finally come when I am no longer proud to be an American. [/quote]
If this is true, then they won… Gramsci has won.
I love my country and always will. She has made some mistakes and we’ve worked to fix them before, we will do it again.
Last night is just a difference of opinion as long as you love America and fight for her. Just might have to weather a little more storm is all.[/quote]
You are one of the coolest customers here, Kudos for that man.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I think the day has finally come when I am no longer proud to be an American. [/quote]
Ugh. This kind of melodramatic hyperbole is exactly why the assholes love to gloat.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
I would think that all the believers on this forum would just accept the re election of Obama as their god’s will. Or, could it be that the Obama campaign outmenouvered even thier mighty god?
Say it aint so…[/quote]
It’s so arrogant to presume that an all powerful Creator of the Universe would take personal interest in one election of one nation, on one planet, in a solar system of 8 planets, in a galaxy of 200-400 billion stars with perhaps as many planets, and in a Universe of at least 100 billion galaxies. Yeah, that’s a safe bet.[/quote]
Woah, what is this hot mess? What believer here said God picks the President of the US?
[/quote]
Do you believe that it was NOT your gods will for Obama to be elected?
S&P down %3.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
quote]What does that really mean anymore? Rasmussen showed sizable majorities wanting repeal and double digit deficits in the job approval poll for 2 and a half years and he murdered Romney.
Some possibilities. 1. People really are stoopid. 2. The polling was astronomically off and not just Rasmussen. 3. As an extension of two, our citizens have largely bought into full on socialism even if they don’t actually know that’s what it is and that fact somehow does not translate into polls answers. I dunno LOL!! This country is now clearly populated with followers who ARE willing to let someone else give them security rather than make their own. [/quote]
People aren’t stupid - they just simply trust Democrats right now to govern in the mess we’re in. That might sound crazy to some - but truth is, the GOP has not exactly covered itself in glory in terms of sober financial management or acting as good stewards of government programs people think important.
People want some security after very troubling times, and I just don’t think American people are ready to turn the reins back over the GOP, who still haven’t adequately explained why they only get upset and in an ideological rage about overspending when a Democrat is in office, and the rest of the time, they are happy to play special-interest politics a la Tom Delay Republicanism.
People haven’t forgotten how the GOP governed from 2000-2008, which wasn’t all bad, but fiscally responsible and making people confident that they would handle popular government programs with care they weren’t.
Paul Ryan, for example - a decent guy - was part of that problem (and hypocrisy) and the American people just won’t trust the GOP yet.
That’s my take.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
some people were just put off with the elitist and dismissive attitude some posters have here [/quote]
…
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
ZEB is notably absent, no joke here, I hope he’s okay. [/quote]
Probably crying and masturbating to his Rush Limbaugh poster.[/quote]
Hahaha!!
[/quote]
Can we get over the petty shit now please[/quote]
Well shoot me for laughing at a fucking joke.
Damn.
And I’m sure Zeb is alive and well. You’re worried about nothing.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
I would think that all the believers on this forum would just accept the re election of Obama as their god’s will. Or, could it be that the Obama campaign outmenouvered even thier mighty god?
Say it aint so…[/quote]
Nah, we get the politicians we deserve.
Simple as that.
The Americans who are victims, who want something for nothing, who want life to be “fair” now outnumber the others.
But thanks for your religious sarcasm.[/quote]
My pleasure…
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The GOP hysterics about all of this - which were conspicuously absent during the Bush years of mass tax cuts while fighting two foreign wars - did not scare me this election, and they do not scare me now.[/quote]
Well, here, I think, is the difference - it should have scared you. It scared me. Just because Republicans whistled past it from 2000-2008 as matter of convenience (and they did) doesn’t mean they were right about it.
That’s the real rub - both parties have refused to handle this responsibly: Bush-era Republicans irresponsibly said “nothing to worry about, tax cuts will make magic and pay for everything, you’ll see” and Democrats irresponsibly said “reform these entitlements? Hell, we need more of them - and supersize them - and our society is rich, and there will be enough rich people to pick up the tab when the bill comes”.[/quote]
As a person who recently found conservatism, I think the “blame bush” attitude that is so strong on the left is why more republicans are reluctant to say “yeah we dropped the ball”. They did, Bush 43 spent too much money. Tax cuts were fine, and 9/11 FUBARed him, but they dropped the ball.
People like McCain need to go. Anyone attched to the Patriot act needs to go.
And while some people are trying to work on that, the left calls them names and lables them with slander… Its like they don’t want the party to repair itself… 
[quote]therajraj wrote:
If you want to see a perfect example of how this board effects perception, look at how many people deluded themselves into believing Romney had a good chance of winning the election. [/quote]I called Obama for months, many months and only recently wavered because so many people and not just here, seemed to think Romney might win. As I’ve said also forever, Romney was a horrible candidate, just like McCain, but NOBODY would have accomplished anything more than simply delaying the inevitable because the problems with this country are rooted in our houses and not in DC. The character of this nation is truly reprehensible.
A president like Obama (or Romney) is simply the natural outcome. We are a nation of self worshiping, narcissistic, God denying whores for whom family faithfulness is a quaint and thankfully rapidly disappearing relic of the past rather the foundation of all that made us great. Save for a mighty redeeming work of the Spirit of the living God, which He most certainly could do, it is over. A president of death like Obama is the result, not the cause of our ever accelerating descent.