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You are gonna get flamed man. These people just dont understand. It is not a rationnal thing. Rightwing is notoriously not rationnal.
Says the foreigner…
Yeah, no shit. Lol…fucking foreigners. Hard-line right wingers may not be known for their rationalism, but who on either far end of the spectrum is? I don’t give a fuck if I get flamed. It’s just a fucking Internet forum. I’ve been flamed on here for all sorts of shit. Maybe I won’t get flamed. Shit, who am I kidding? I’m probably gonna get roasted. Fuck it.
I am sorry but communist russia was by far the most rationnal regime. You may think whatever you want about them but remember this: they didnt believe in god. And the other side of the sea there was Reagan who was saying that you couldnt trust them because they didnt believe in god.
Are you for real? Do you know how the justice system worked in the USSR? You’re accused of crimes against the state, arrested with no legal recourse whatsoever, you’re found guilty based on who knows what sort of trumped up evidence, they take you out in the hallway and put a bullet in your head. Oh yeah, and no one else knows about it because there’s no such thing as freedom of the press, freedom of information act or anything else along those lines. You want to know how communism works? Look up the 100 Flowers Campaign or Mao’s Cultural Revolution and then get back to me about being “rational”. At least in America we have the freedom to believe in whatever kind of God we want as well as the freedom to believe in no God. Not so in the USSR. Holy shit you’re so fucking ignorant. You like communism, huh? Move to North Korea or China and see how much you like it then.
yeah so what. They were corrupted. It wasnt a real communist country . I am talking about political theoritical stuff. We are talking about abstract concept here and having a system where there is no religion is part of the concept. In the book by karl marx nowhere it is written about trumped evidence. So why dont you calm down a little bit. Jesus Christ calling people ignorant doesnt do any good
I bet you are screaming at your computer and freaking out like those guys on fox
Actually, I’m quite calm right now. I understand you’re talking about an abstraction, but theory and reality are two entirely different things.
I live in reality, not abstraction so let’s stay with real shit here.
Sure. I wouldnt go live in China or North Korea, but the point is that communism is the most rationnal regime. Damn this information comes from a fucking objective school textbook. I dont know if you got objective ones in USA.
Like the reality of Obama’s perceived “socialist” leanings being a lightning rod for his critics due to a perceived connection between ALL forms of socialism and communism. And please don’t lecture me about perception vs. reality. This ain’t my first rodeo.
I dont get what you are saying. Do you mean that because some people thinks obama is a socialist he really is? This is bad mental health and paranoia.
If he was really a socialist he couldnt have runned from presidency. Do you know that there is a socialist party in USA? Why can’t you vote for them? Why is there only 2 party?
It is funny that we dont hear about them. When the watergate scandal came up to light the CIA was already raiding and doing various pression on the socialist party office for a long time. No one talks about that. Just food for tought
Actually, I believe there were eleven candidates for President on the ballot, give or take 1 or 2 depending on what state you’re in. If the Socialist Party has enough registered members, they can get onto the ballot just like any other political party. I voted for Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate. You can write in anyone you want. In fact, I’ve heard that Homer Simpson always gets a few hundred votes. But what would you know about the inside of an American voting booth?
I’ll give you that. But the fact that you have to raise millions to get into the race doesnt help. I might be wrong but people told me there was only 2 squares: democrats or republicans
What I’m saying is that regardless of whether Obama actually is a socialist or not, I think it is a bit of a copout to try to label him as one in a negative way by implying overtly or otherwise that socialism is inherently wrong or evil or contrary to what America stands for. Not everything about socialism is bad, especially when you move away from Marx’s theories about it (given that he saw socialism as a stepping stone to communism, a CLEARLY flawed, evil political system). Since not everything about socialism is bad, I think it shows a certain lack of knowledge about what socialism really is when people label Obama as a socialist in a purely negative light. I think in many cases people are trying to criticize him for being something when they don’t really have a clear grasp of what that something is. Is that clear enough for you?
The problem is that he is clearly not a socialist. He is at the center. In USA everything is massively distorted toward right wing (dont deny that) so some people call him a ‘‘socialist’’.
No I wouldnt say he is at the center. He is leaning to the right but clearly not enough for some people. If he was slightly at the left do you really think he would have passed through the system?
I dont think communim as a system is flawed. People are flawed. I dont see why it is evil too.
Well, when a Democrat wins the Presidency in an electoral landslide, with the largest voter turnout ever, and there’s a Democrat-controlled House and Senate it’s a little hard to validly claim that the US is massively distorted toward the right-wing.
And part of how any system is, in regards to its theoretical soundness, is how it is implemented. Communism as a theory may be fine (not in my opinion), but the way it is implemented requires massive oppression and subjugation of the people. It has never been implemented any other way. Because its implementation is a crucial part of its soundness, based on how it is implemented and actually used, it is EXTREMELY flawed.
democrats are right-winger, but less right wing than republicans. And yes the US is massively distorted toward the right-wing. Notoriously by the media. If you want proven facts about that read Noam Chomsky.It is what I did and now I know at which extent the media has this sort of right-wing information filter (which I already sorta known, but now I have proven fact with reference and all).
textbooks are not completely objective, but the main point is still there. Look at all political chart, you know the little rose with arrows in a square, I dont know how the say it in english. Anyway in any of them rationnalism is pointed to the left. You can take by example Nazism or fascism.It was all about emotions, glory and anti-intellectualism. Nazism and fascism is at the far right in the spectrum. Nazi burned book.Also I heard Palin did that too in Alaska. and I say the video about with the preacher. rationnalism is a left thing. You can’t deny that
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Jesus Christ, you’re gonna get your lessons about the “right wing media” from Noam Chomsky? I like some of Chomsky’s writings and all, but that guy is pretty far left. Not the most credible source for “objectivity”. Are the claims of “left-wing media bias” overblown? Sure, but in much the same way that claims about “rw media bias” are. I don’t know which way the media leans anymore, generally, but whichever way it leans has no bearing on where the country itself leans. Most political orientation surveys in this country place about 70-75% of the people squarely in the middle, with equal amounts of the rest on either side of them. What people’s ideas about what the “center” represents is another thing, but if the center is somehow skewed toward the right-wingers, there sure were a shitload of right-wingers who voted for a left-of-center President.
As far as your chart goes, come on man. Just because some stupid fucking chart points left for rationalism and right for fascism doesn’t make it so. Shit fascism and Nazism are so far out there that there is no spectrum that holds them. In fact, the whole political spectrum thing is bullshit. I’m a Libertarian. Where would you place me? I’m all over the place on your “spectrum”, depending on the issue. I’m against abortion, so I’m a right-winger, right? Oh, but wait! I also support gay marriage, so now I’m a left-winger! See my point?
