Obama: 'Israel Must Restore1967 Borders'

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
I have enough problems here at home who I am to get involved.

If people care let them send their money to either side I don’t really care. It has nothing to do with emotions, it is simply not my business.[/quote]

I reacted to your statement about israel going apeshit on palestine. If either palestine or Israel went apeshit on the other, it would be our business as fellow human beings in my opinion. This world is allready messed up, the last thing we need is indifference over genocide. the west would be in a position to prevent such a horrible thing, but as the situation is in israel/palestine today I agree that the west should not be as involved as it is.
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You go get involved. if Europe wants to get involved I don’t care. It is not my business to get involved in something like that. Who would we side with? As far as I am concerened they are their own nations and we should respect that.[/quote]

You would side with the ones being exterminated. Remember we are talking about a situation where the one side goes Rambo on the other sides ass. If it is mutual war I agree with you, let them sort it out themself.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

And the Nazis didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. The SS and Gestapo come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all Nazis into that group.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

Haven’t you heard about the world-wide crisis with Christian terrorism?

They’re murdering people eveywhere! Everywhere, I tell you![/quote]

Notice how the media refer to ‘sectarian violence/clashes’ in Egypt implying that both Christians and Muslims are attacking each other, when in fact the Copts are being persecuted and are not responding? I wonder what those Masons at CBS are up to.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

Haven’t you heard about the world-wide crisis with Christian terrorism?

They’re murdering people eveywhere! Everywhere, I tell you![/quote]

Notice how the media refer to ‘sectarian violence/clashes’ in Egypt implying that both Christians and Muslims are attacking each other, when in fact the Copts are being persecuted and are not responding? I wonder what those Masons at CBS are up to.[/quote]

(First off, as a disclaimer and to prevent unnecessary discussion I want to state that I’m an atheist, critical of all religions but it is my opinion that Islam is a religion wherein it is much easier to legitimize terrorism/violence, so no need for that discussion unless you disagree)

The case of the Copts in Egypt is quite correct and mainly harrasment from other groups against them, but if you look at the Lebanese civil war both maronites and muslims commited equally horrendous acts and were equally bad at trying to create a lasting peace.

When it comes to christian terrorist groups we have amongst others:
National Liberation Front of Tripura and other groups from Orissa
Lords Resistance Army
A myriad of Ulster groups.

Islamic terrorist groups clearly outnumber christian terrorist groups, but saying that christian terrorist groups don’t exist is basically not true.

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[quote]Billy Whizz wrote:<<< Islamic terrorist groups clearly outnumber christian terrorist groups, but saying that christian terrorist groups don’t exist is basically not true.[/quote]Christianity and terrorism are mutually exclusive. A terrorist, regardless of what he says, is by definition a non Christian. No orthodox protestant communion will own terrorists as brethren. Period. The gospel of Jesus Christ is a supernatural work performed upon the hearts of men by God Himself. Anyone advocating Jesus by force knows not the Prince of Peace.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Billy Whizz wrote:<<< Islamic terrorist groups clearly outnumber christian terrorist groups, but saying that christian terrorist groups don’t exist is basically not true.[/quote]Christianity and terrorism are mutually exclusive. A terrorist, regardless of what he says, is by definition a non Christian. No orthodox protestant communion will own terrorists as brethren. Period. The gospel of Jesus Christ is a supernatural work performed upon the hearts of men by God Himself. Anyone advocating Jesus by force knows not the Prince of Peace.
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Hahahahahhahaha! So you’re sticking with the whole “not real followers” tactic? Please say you are being sarcastic. People can interpret things differently, who’s to say that you have it correct?

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[quote]brnforce wrote:<<< Hahahahahhahaha! So you’re sticking with the whole “not real followers” tactic? Please say you are being sarcastic. People can interpret things differently, who’s to say that you have it correct?[/quote]Every orthodox protestant denomination agrees on this. My church is working in cooperation with 500 other local congregations at the moment. Every last one I promise you will agree that no person attempting to enforce the gospel by force understands what the gospel is. This isn’t tough. Terrorism is by definition anti-Christian. My claim to being an artichoke doesn’t make me one.

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[quote]Billy Whizz wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

Haven’t you heard about the world-wide crisis with Christian terrorism?

They’re murdering people eveywhere! Everywhere, I tell you![/quote]

Notice how the media refer to ‘sectarian violence/clashes’ in Egypt implying that both Christians and Muslims are attacking each other, when in fact the Copts are being persecuted and are not responding? I wonder what those Masons at CBS are up to.[/quote]

(First off, as a disclaimer and to prevent unnecessary discussion I want to state that I’m an atheist, critical of all religions but it is my opinion that Islam is a religion wherein it is much easier to legitimize terrorism/violence, so no need for that discussion unless you disagree)

The case of the Copts in Egypt is quite correct and mainly harrasment from other groups against them, but if you look at the Lebanese civil war both maronites and muslims commited equally horrendous acts and were equally bad at trying to create a lasting peace.

When it comes to christian terrorist groups we have amongst others:
National Liberation Front of Tripura and other groups from Orissa
Lords Resistance Army
A myriad of Ulster groups.

Islamic terrorist groups clearly outnumber christian terrorist groups, but saying that christian terrorist groups don’t exist is basically not true.[/quote]

Ulster Unionist groups are not religious in nature. The troubles in Ireland were entirely political and socio-economic with the Republicans(comprising both Catholics and Protestants) being gerrymandered out of power and discrimated against by the pro-British Ulster Unionists.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

I can give you a Christian terrorist group, THE US MARINES!!!

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]cloakmanor wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

The problem I have with US isolationism (Ron Paul, in particular) is he is HAPPY to help arab countries, but suddenly “non-interventionalist” when it comes to helping Israel. Transparent as hell, even without his checkered history.[/quote]

The proper phrase is “non-interventionism.” And uhh, in case you’ve been living under a rock the last several years, Ron Paul believes in withdrawing foreign aid to ALL countries not just Israel. He’s only stated this and voted this way 50 million times.

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Also, about Ron Paul, it may be true that he has anti-semitic tendencies…
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Geez, you people do not do your research. Ron Paul’s biggest intellectual influences are Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard. Both Jews. So much for being anti-semitic.[/quote]
Maybe I’m wrong… I was always under that impression due to Jewbacca’s comments in the past.[/quote]

Yeah well, he throws the accusation of antisemitism around like there is no tommorrow.

Not really a good idea, because it will only lead to robbing the accusation of antisemitism of any significance whatsoever.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

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[quote]John S. wrote:
Why the fuck are we getting involved[/quote]

Because the Israelis are like the canary in the coal mine. The inability of their muslim neighbors to get along with the Israelis demonstrates their inability to get along with the rest of us. As long as Israel exists we get to see what the muslims are about.

Because Israel was America’s ally during the cold war and played a significant role in keeping the Soviet Union in check.

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As I troll the comments I have noticed that you guys missed this little gem from Obama’s speech.

“Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognised borders are established for both states,” he said. “The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.”

The last two words are the significant part.
Question: How do you create a “contiguous state” out of the West Bank and Gaza?
Answer : They will need a land corridor between the two. Duhhh.

To accomplish that goal I think Obama will propose they shall have a defensible land corridor, perhaps 20 miles wide to link Gaza to Jerusalem and onward to the west bank. And all will be well because they will all live happily ever after, the end.

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[quote]hwh89 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]hwh89 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Anyway, the agenda of the arabs is not land, not peace, it’s GENOCIDE.
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You are wrong! It’s all about the land, It’s about the Aqsa. [/quote]

LOL. You mean the farthest mosque that Mohammed flew to on his winged horse?

Even though the asqa was built 4 years after Mohammed died?

And the story that the Asqa was “the farthest mosque” was created mid-1970s by Yasser Arafat for lazy Western Journalist?

And the new designation of the asqa being the “farthest mosque” being laughed at as an inside joke by all serious islamic scholars, in no small part because Jerusalem is not mentioned one single time in the koran?[/quote]

I’m not surprised that you say such things, they feed you lies in schools and they brainwash you. try to open your mind, you wont regret it![/quote]

I don’t need “schools.” I understand and read arabic and watch your TV.

I also have many arab-Israeli friends (the most free arabs in the world) who have open distain for the proposed Hamas-istan in Judea.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
@Jewbacca: If you think I am hostile to Israel, or you, you are wrong. I am asking an honest question which you have ignored. That’s your right. I only hope you do it for authentic reasons. [/quote]

The change in formating make me accidently report your post. Sorry Admin!

I’ve missed your question on this thread somehow. If you would be kind enough to repeat it, it would be great.

Thanks.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]cloakmanor wrote:

Geez, you people do not do your research. Ron Paul’s biggest intellectual influences are Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard. Both Jews. So much for being anti-semitic.[/quote]

Yeah well, he throws the accusation of antisemitism around like there is no tommorrow.

Not really a good idea, because it will only lead to robbing the accusation of antisemitism of any significance whatsoever.
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Now that I’ve taken the time to respond to a few posts at this board I’m beginning to notice that.

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[quote]hwh89 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

I can give you a Christian terrorist group, THE US MARINES!!![/quote]

You mean the group which also has Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Gnostics, etc, as part of it’s fighting force?

Good grief, are you really this fucking stupid? or is this some kind of shit stupid act that you like to put on?

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bigflamer:

NICE picture of “Sweetness”!

(Carry on!)

Mufasa