Well, a true Muslim wont kill a girl or an unarmed man. I’m against these things and who ever did this is also my enemy.
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Is that why you sport a Hamas flag on your profile?[/quote]
well first of all it’s not Hamas, it’s Fateh. second thing, yes I’m against killing innocent\unarmed people but if you come at me with a gun I will kill you, or die trying. and the only time i fought Israelis was in December 2008 when they invaded Gaza. i mean I don’t throw rockets at them.
Well, a true Muslim wont kill a girl or an unarmed man. I’m against these things and who ever did this is also my enemy.
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Is that why you sport a Hamas flag on your profile?[/quote]
well first of all it’s not Hamas, it’s Fateh. second thing, yes I’m against killing innocent\unarmed people but if you come at me with a gun I will kill you, or die trying. and the only time i fought Israelis was in December 2008 when they invaded Gaza. i mean I don’t throw rockets at them.[/quote]
My mistake. So you support Fatah whose military wing has carried out and claimed responsibility for numerous suicide bombings against civilians? Yet you don’t believe in killing unarmed people.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Why the fuck are we getting involved[/quote]
But, unfortunately, Obama gives something like 4 times that ($12B) to the Muslim Brotherhood, Fatah and other crazies that surround us. He’s even training and equiping the PA army.
The problem I have with US isolationism (Ron Paul, in particular) is he is HAPPY to help arab countries, but suddenly “non-interventionalist” when it comes to helping Israel. Transparent as hell, even without his checkered history.[/quote]
He gives that much to the Muslim Brotherhood/Fatah/others? I did not know that. Got a link? That’s pretty messed up. Why is Obama giving money to both, when it is just being used against each other? To get on both sides?
Also, about Ron Paul, it may be true that he has anti-semitic tendencies, but I really think all that doesn’t matter if he’s put in the position of President… due to the pressure of the position and the relationship that Israel/U.S. already has, and the pressure of WH staff/advisors/etc.
The problem I have with US isolationism (Ron Paul, in particular) is he is HAPPY to help arab countries, but suddenly “non-interventionalist” when it comes to helping Israel. Transparent as hell, even without his checkered history.[/quote]
Sigh. For the last time people there is a difference between being a non-interventiont and an isolationist. Ron Paul is a non-interventionist. And uhh, in case you’ve been living under a rock the last several years, Ron Paul believes in withdrawing foreign aid to ALL countries not just Israel. He’s only stated this and voted this way 50 million times.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Also, about Ron Paul, it may be true that he has anti-semitic tendencies…
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Geez, you people do not do your research. Ron Paul’s biggest intellectual influences are Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard. Both Jews. I think he even has photos of them hung up in his congressional office. So much for being anti-semitic.
Ron Paul is this, Ron Paul is that…The Left thinks he’s some hard core right-wing nut job and the neoconservative Right thinks he’s some pinko-commie lib. It’s just hilarious. He’s been accused of hating Jews, blacks, poor people, old people, and probably even gorilla’s with a thyroid condition. He’s always accused of hating someone when he objects to big government policies that affect some special interest. Think outside the box people. Is it really THAT hard to do?
The amount of vitriol and false accusations spewed Ron Paul’s direction is ridiculous. And it’s all repeats of what some TV pundit said.
In regards to Obama’s comments… I really don’t think it had much to do with Israel, but more to get on Palestinians/whoever’s good side in the wake of Osama’s death. Obama knew that Netanyahu would openly disregard his comments, so I really doubt Obama believed that Israel would actually change their borders.
The problem I have with US isolationism (Ron Paul, in particular) is he is HAPPY to help arab countries, but suddenly “non-interventionalist” when it comes to helping Israel. Transparent as hell, even without his checkered history.[/quote]
The proper phrase is “non-interventionism.” And uhh, in case you’ve been living under a rock the last several years, Ron Paul believes in withdrawing foreign aid to ALL countries not just Israel. He’s only stated this and voted this way 50 million times.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Also, about Ron Paul, it may be true that he has anti-semitic tendencies…
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Geez, you people do not do your research. Ron Paul’s biggest intellectual influences are Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard. Both Jews. So much for being anti-semitic.[/quote]
Maybe I’m wrong… I was always under that impression due to Jewbacca’s comments in the past.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Why the fuck are we getting involved[/quote]
I’d be all for you not getting involved, the $3B in co-developed weapons aid (really a subsidy to US Arms manufacturers— not that I mind) to Israel is appreciated.
But, unfortunately, Obama gives something like 4 times that ($12B) to the Muslim Brotherhood, Fatah and other crazies that surround us. He’s even training and equiping the PA army.
The problem I have with US isolationism (Ron Paul, in particular) is he is HAPPY to help arab countries, but suddenly “non-interventionalist” when it comes to helping Israel. Transparent as hell, even without his checkered history.[/quote]
I don’t want to give money to any nation. Israel can go fucking apeshit on Palestine for all I care it is not my business
Well, a true Muslim wont kill a girl or an unarmed man. I’m against these things and who ever did this is also my enemy.
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Is that why you sport a Hamas flag on your profile?[/quote]
well first of all it’s not Hamas, it’s Fateh. second thing, yes I’m against killing innocent\unarmed people but if you come at me with a gun I will kill you, or die trying. and the only time i fought Israelis was in December 2008 when they invaded Gaza. i mean I don’t throw rockets at them.[/quote]
My mistake. So you support Fatah whose military wing has carried out and claimed responsibility for numerous suicide bombings against civilians? Yet you don’t believe in killing unarmed people.[/quote]
I’m one of them, but i have my own mind and my own believes. I will never fight someone unless he’s carrying a gun at me. and by the way most Muslims are not following Islam, I wish they did. now i don’t consider myself a perfect Muslim but I’m better than most.
[quote]John S. wrote:
I don’t want to give money to any nation. Israel can go fucking apeshit on Palestine for all I care it is not my business[/quote]
Im okay with your position about not wanting your country to aid other countrys, but are you serious when you say you dont care if one nation wipes out another, really?? Do you want to try again and this time dont come of as a dude who is out of touch with his emotions.
Here’s what I got: “The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.”
@Jewbacca: If you think I am hostile to Israel, or you, you are wrong. I am asking an honest question which you have ignored. That’s your right. I only hope you do it for authentic reasons.
[quote]John S. wrote:
I don’t want to give money to any nation. Israel can go fucking apeshit on Palestine for all I care it is not my business[/quote]
Im okay with your position about not wanting your country to aid other countrys, but are you serious when you say you dont care if one nation wipes out another, really?? Do you want to try again and this time dont come of as a dude who is out of touch with his emotions.
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I have enough problems here at home who I am to get involved.
If people care let them send their money to either side I don’t really care. It has nothing to do with emotions, it is simply not my business.
[quote]hwh89 wrote:
Well, a true Muslim wont kill a girl or an unarmed man. I’m against these things and who ever did this is also my enemy.[/quote]
So, Fatah is your enemy, but you are “one of them?”
And LOL at the “true Muslim” argument.
It’s all those pesky “fake” Muslims runnng around with Korans in their hands and yelling “Allahu Akbar!” before they self-detonate or gun down innocent civilians.[/quote]
And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.
[quote]John S. wrote:
I have enough problems here at home who I am to get involved.
If people care let them send their money to either side I don’t really care. It has nothing to do with emotions, it is simply not my business.[/quote]
I reacted to your statement about israel going apeshit on palestine. If either palestine or Israel went apeshit on the other, it would be our business as fellow human beings in my opinion. This world is allready messed up, the last thing we need is indifference over genocide. the west would be in a position to prevent such a horrible thing, but as the situation is in israel/palestine today I agree that the west should not be as involved as it is.
[quote]John S. wrote:
I have enough problems here at home who I am to get involved.
If people care let them send their money to either side I don’t really care. It has nothing to do with emotions, it is simply not my business.[/quote]
I reacted to your statement about israel going apeshit on palestine. If either palestine or Israel went apeshit on the other, it would be our business as fellow human beings in my opinion. This world is allready messed up, the last thing we need is indifference over genocide. the west would be in a position to prevent such a horrible thing, but as the situation is in israel/palestine today I agree that the west should not be as involved as it is.
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You go get involved. if Europe wants to get involved I don’t care. It is not my business to get involved in something like that. Who would we side with? As far as I am concerened they are their own nations and we should respect that.
And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]
Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.