Obama: 'Israel Must Restore1967 Borders'

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bigflamer:

NICE picture of “Sweetness”!

(Carry on!)

Mufasa[/quote]

Thanks! :slight_smile:

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[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

I can give you a Christian terrorist group, THE US MARINES!!![/quote]

You mean the group which also has Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Gnostics, etc, as part of it’s fighting force?

Good grief, are you really this fucking stupid? or is this some kind of shit stupid act that you like to put on?
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Forgive me, i didn’t mean they are a Christian terrorist group, I meant they are AMERICAN terrorist group!

bama got bitch slapped today accordingly. hes so anti jew and way out of touch…scary…israel is surrounded by countries that want him dead. they dont want to be friends…

bama thought he could bully israel into giving in and giving up land to palestine without asking the palestinians to cede a thing…bama looked so mad when he was being told off…lol

bama thinks he can tell them to just do it because i say so…i am obama ansd i will fix it. i am the man…i do it all. bama doesnt care for the jews obviously., hes muslim…he really believes he can force this to be done.hubris

Obama can’t manage our own border, why is he popping off about another country’s border?

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[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

Thanks for that help. The first thing that came up was the gunpowder plot of 1605. I also learned that a handful of pro-life nutjobs who’ve killed abortion clinic workers/doctors are comparable to the daily egregious outrages in the Muslim world. Islam’s contribution over the last 48 hours:

2011.05.20 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - The Taliban bomb a car outside the American consulate, killing one person.

2011.05.19 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A cleric is sent to Allah by Religion of Peace rivals.

2011.05.19 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - A woman and two children are among the casualties when Sunni militants bomb a house.

2011.05.19 (Paktia, Afghanistan) - Thirty-five construction workers and guards are murdered by religious hardliners at a work site.

2011.05.19 (Kirkuk, Iraq) - Mujahideen detonate a car bomb in a parking lot, killing almost thirty Iraqis.

2011.05.18 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Boko Haram Islamists assault a police station, shooting ten people to death.

Christian terrorists contribution over the last 2 years:

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[quote]John S. wrote:
Why the fuck are we getting involved[/quote]

Because the Israelis are like the canary in the coal mine. The inability of their muslim neighbors to get along with the Israelis demonstrates their inability to get along with the rest of us. As long as Israel exists we get to see what the muslims are about.

Because Israel was America’s ally during the cold war and played a significant role in keeping the Soviet Union in check. [/quote]

I will also point out something that I point out to critics of US intervention in Korea and Vietnam. If the Soviets/Chinese weren’t funding/training/harbouring forces to unleash against Korea and Vietnam, those resources/forces would be directed against other targets. The dominos theory is perfectly sound.

So by the same token, if the Islamist sponsor states weren’t funding/training/harbouring forces to unleash against Israel, wouldn’t those resources/forces be free to use against the US’big Satan’ and other Western targets?

Israel is really the main front in this war that was declared against the US and Western democracies. It’s in our interests to aid the Israelis in any way we can.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
As I troll the comments I have noticed that you guys missed this little gem from Obama’s speech.

“Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognised borders are established for both states,” he said. “The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.”

The last two words are the significant part.
Question: How do you create a “contiguous state” out of the West Bank and Gaza?
Answer : They will need a land corridor between the two. Duhhh.

To accomplish that goal I think Obama will propose they shall have a defensible land corridor, perhaps 20 miles wide to link Gaza to Jerusalem and onward to the west bank. And all will be well because they will all live happily ever after, the end.

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If Israel doesn’t allow this land corridor she will be accused of forcing the Arabs into ‘bantustans’. There is also the matter of the insistence of ‘right of return’(to a place they’re never been to) for the world’s only fifth generation refugees(actually displaced person under internation law).

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[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

I can give you a Christian terrorist group, THE US MARINES!!![/quote]

You mean the group which also has Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Gnostics, etc, as part of it’s fighting force?

Good grief, are you really this fucking stupid? or is this some kind of shit stupid act that you like to put on?
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Forgive me, i didn’t mean they are a Christian terrorist group, I meant they are AMERICAN terrorist group![/quote]

Ah, so then please provide a definition of “terrorist.” [/quote]

A Terrorist: Is an Arab/Muslim who defends his own country by fighting invaders. (ex. Palestinians, Iraqis)

[quote]Jewbacca wrote: The change in formating make me accidently report your post. Sorry Admin!

I’ve missed your question on this thread somehow. If you would be kind enough to repeat it, it would be great.

Thanks.[/quote]
Here it is, thanks.
@Jewbacca:
Why don’t they quit this dribbling settlement deal and just take the rest of the land already? Hamas (and not just them) does indeed wish for the demise of the Jewish nation and the extermination of the Jewish people. Nothing, absolutely nothing will change that, but Israel could gain some more international (non Arabic) support if she handled some things differently. I would say more wisely. I really do think this kinda wannabe creeping occupation is less productive than just taking the land and exiling the Palestinians somewhere.

I’m asking honestly.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

I can give you a Christian terrorist group, THE US MARINES!!![/quote]

You mean the group which also has Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Gnostics, etc, as part of it’s fighting force?

Good grief, are you really this fucking stupid? or is this some kind of shit stupid act that you like to put on?
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Forgive me, i didn’t mean they are a Christian terrorist group, I meant they are AMERICAN terrorist group![/quote]

Ah, so then please provide a definition of “terrorist.” [/quote]

A Terrorist: Is an Arab/Muslim who defends his own country by fighting invaders. (ex. Palestinians, Iraqis)[/quote]

Palestinians are defending Egypt/Jordan/Syria/Iraq from ‘invaders’?

From which ‘invaders’ have the Palestinians in the strip been defending themselves since 2005 with child beheadings, guided missile attacks on school buses and anti-personnel rockets fired during school hours?

The Sunni insurgents in Iraq, who are responsible for 90%+ of all the deaths, are killing Iraqi Shia/Christians/Kurds because they are ‘invaders’?

I have just read Obama’s actual statement. He calls for a ‘contiguous’ Palestinian state. This would require Israel to be non-contiguous(i.e. cut in half - bantustans). So he pays lip service by saying Israel should be ‘secure’ then goes on to call for it to have indefensible borders and be cut in half.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]brnforce wrote:<<< Hahahahahhahaha! So you’re sticking with the whole “not real followers” tactic? Please say you are being sarcastic. People can interpret things differently, who’s to say that you have it correct?[/quote]Every orthodox protestant denomination agrees on this. My church is working in cooperation with 500 other local congregations at the moment. Every last one I promise you will agree that no person attempting to enforce the gospel by force understands what the gospel is. This isn’t tough. Terrorism is by definition anti-Christian. My claim to being an artichoke doesn’t make me one.
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The problem is that there are thousands if not millions of people who think they are Muslims through their interpretation of their religion and still commit terrorist acts. Christians have done the same thing on a large scale in the past as well. All religions are capable of horrible things as they are tied in with politics (unfortunately).

[quote]brnforce wrote:

The problem is that there are thousands if not millions of people who think they are Muslims through their interpretation of their religion and still commit terrorist acts. Christians have done the same thing on a large scale in the past as well. All religions are capable of horrible things as they are tied in with politics (unfortunately).[/quote]

I’ll asume that by ‘(terrorist acts) on a large scale’ you are referring to the Spanish inquisition as opposed to the crusades which were defensive wars against Islamic invaders.

‘More people are killed each year by Islamists than in all the 350 years of the Spanish inquisition combined’ - Source: thereligionofpeace.com

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[quote]hwh89 wrote:

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[quote]John S. wrote:

And the christians didn’t have nutjobs that do/did stupid shit. Webro babtist come to mind. Please tell me I can lump all christians into that group. Or let me lump you all into believing that on saturday the world is going to end.[/quote]

Christians don’t cut peoples’ heads off and blow people up on a daily basis then claim religious justification for such actions. Come to think of it, I can’t recall any Christian terrorist groups who do such things. In fact, I can’t recall a Christian terrorist group.[/quote]

I can give you a Christian terrorist group, THE US MARINES!!![/quote]

You mean the group which also has Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Gnostics, etc, as part of it’s fighting force?

Good grief, are you really this fucking stupid? or is this some kind of shit stupid act that you like to put on?
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Forgive me, i didn’t mean they are a Christian terrorist group, I meant they are AMERICAN terrorist group![/quote]

Ah, so then please provide a definition of “terrorist.” [/quote]

A Terrorist: Is an Arab/Muslim who defends his own country by fighting invaders. (ex. Palestinians, Iraqis)[/quote]

I know this is a joke, but the sad truth is that many people think of muslims/arabs when they hear the word terrorist.

[quote]florelius wrote:

I know this is a joke, but the sad truth is that many people think of muslims/arabs when they hear the word terrorist.[/quote]

I wonder what ever led them to associate the two? Perhaps it has something to do with the 17000+ seperate Islamist terrorist attacks since 9/11 carried out by Muslims, in the name of their religion and whilst yelling ‘Allahu Akbar’?

Perhaps if Hindus had flown commercial airliners into skyscrapers and committed 17000+ seperate terrorist attacks in the last decade yelling ‘om mani padme hum’ and claiming religious justification for said attacks we’d associate Hindus with terrorism? Or is that too far fetched?