Obama Candidacy

I figured to start a new thread on Obama, since this had nothing to do with the dead-end story of his madrassa background.

Here is an interesting take on Obama’s problems:

[i]Barack Obama’s book ``The Audacity of Hope’’ is well into its fourth month on the bestseller list, and even a professional sourpuss (not that I know any) can see why.

I am new enough on the national political scene,'' he writes in the book's prologue, to serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.‘’

Never mind the mixed metaphor about striped people projecting on screens (a rare infelicity from such a graceful writer). The statement is the purest Obama, the kind of sentiment that people seldom get from a career politician: knowing, self- aware, candid, vivid in its expression and – most amazing of all – true.

``The Audacity of Hope,‘’ in fact, can best be understood as an extended effort on the part of the first-term Illinois senator to keep that screen as blank as possible.

He’s been so successful that already some of his would-be supporters are expressing frustration at their inability to pin Obama down on their favorite causes. The journalist Joe Klein wrote in Time magazine that he ``counted no fewer than fifty instances of excruciatingly judicious on-the-one-hand-on-the- other-handedness in `The Audacity of Hope.’

Klein has a point: There are times reading Obama’s book when you wonder whether he’s capable of making a statement unadorned by caveats, hedges, qualifications and rhetorical switchbacks. He devotes a chapter to ``values,‘’ for example. He’s strongly in favor of them, with reservations.

Rhetorical Oatmeal

It turns out he’s all for self-reliance and independence,'' unless these qualities transform into selfishness and license.‘’

He’s totally pro-patriotism, except when it slides into jingoism.'' And religious faith? He's all for that, too -- just don't let it calcify into self-righteousness.‘’

Are we clear now?

Unsatisfying as this rhetorical oatmeal can be, it’s actually intrinsic to Obama’s diagnosis of the current condition of U.S. politics.

As a country,'' he says, we seem to be suffering from an empathy deficit.‘’ More empathy can resolve our political stalemates, he believes, on issues ranging from affirmative action to globalization.

``Black leaders need to appreciate the legitimate fears that may cause some whites to resist affirmative action. Union representatives can’t afford not to understand the competitive pressures their employers may be under…

That's what empathy does,'' he writes. We are all shaken out of our complacency. We are all forced beyond our limited vision.‘’

Then What?

Sounds good. But then what? Let’s say we have all shed our un-empathic blinders. We are completely non-complacent. Where to now?

Unfortunately, Obama doesn’t bother to point the way with any real specificity. He’s appalled at the budget deficit, for example, and he’s determined to fix it. But beyond that – well, let him explain the details.

We know what to do,'' he writes. We can cut and consolidate nonessential programs. We can rein in spending on health care costs. We can eliminate tax credits that have outlived their usefulness and close loopholes that let corporations get away with paying no taxes.‘’

The book is filled with passages that follow the same pattern: belaboring the obvious on the assumption that no one has ever had dared speak such bromides before, and then concluding the discussion with a rear-guard blast at those cynical politicians who ``refuse to make the tough choices.‘’

Abstractions

Rather than make his own tough choices, the 45-year-old Democrat prefers to float on a high level of abstraction. This, indeed, is how he is able to appeal to all segments of his party as well as large numbers of independents and even many conservatives and Republicans.

He presents himself as the politician who will somehow transcend politics as it is and, as he says, create a different kind of politics'' that reflects our lives as they are actually lived.‘’ Details to follow.

The non-political politician has a long pedigree in U.S. history. The non-pol politician always feeds off the misapprehension that the real problem with self-government is politics – either politics as it’s currently practiced or politics per se.

Bradley, Perot

In 2000, Bill Bradley, a former U.S. Senator, Rhodes Scholar and basketball star, tried to claim the mantle of the non-pol politician by declaring, Obama-like, that ``our politics is broken.‘’

``Let America be the dream it used to be,‘’ Bradley added poetically, if not helpfully.

Before him, Ross Perot, billionaire businessman from Texas, announced that the problems of governance could be solved easily enough, but only if politics were dispensed with altogether. We just needed to lift up the hood,'' he said, consult the country’s best minds,‘’ and ``get to work,‘’ he said.

Of course, Obama has advantages over both Bradley and Perot. His standing as the first plausible black presidential candidate brings with it vast amounts of public good will. He’s smarter than Bradley and a better writer to boot. He’s more articulate than Perot and gives off none of the Texan’s unsettling vibrations of eccentricity and worse.

Still, history’s verdict about non-pol politicians is hard to ignore. They may indeed offer to restore us to our best selves'' and give us back our government,‘’ and they may try to raise us to heights undreamed of with their call for a new kind of politics.

But they always lose. [/i]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_ferguson&sid=ab5miJLYp2NY

Also, Senator Joe Biden has come out swinging, announcing his bid and taking on all comers, including Obama, Hillary, and John Edwards.

He’s definitely in the ‘cut-and-run’ crowd.

"Obama bill sets March 2008 Iraq deadline
WASHINGTON, Jan. 31 (UPI) – A bill calling for the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq no later than March 31, 2008, has been filed by U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

The freshman senator and candidate for the 2008 presidential election proposes in his Iraq War De-escalation Act of 2007 the government begin a troop withdrawal no later than May 1, The Washington Post reported.

“The days of our open-ended commitment must come to a close,” Obama said while introducing the measure. “It is time for us to fundamentally change our policy. It is time to give Iraqis their country back.”

The bill would leave a limited number of troops in place to conduct counter-terrorism activities and train Iraqi forces and opposes U.S. President George Bush’s bid to deploy more than 21,000 new troops to the Baghdad area.

Bush’s plan is under debate in both houses of Congress.

Copyright 2007 by United Press International. All Rights Reserved."

How this will appeal to voters is yet to be determined. Anyone that remember’s Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge would not support abandonment.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
He’s definitely in the ‘cut-and-run’ crowd.

"Obama bill sets March 2008 Iraq deadline
WASHINGTON, Jan. 31 (UPI) – A bill calling for the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq no later than March 31, 2008, has been filed by U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

The freshman senator and candidate for the 2008 presidential election proposes in his Iraq War De-escalation Act of 2007 the government begin a troop withdrawal no later than May 1, The Washington Post reported.

“The days of our open-ended commitment must come to a close,” Obama said while introducing the measure. “It is time for us to fundamentally change our policy. It is time to give Iraqis their country back.”

The bill would leave a limited number of troops in place to conduct counter-terrorism activities and train Iraqi forces and opposes U.S. President George Bush’s bid to deploy more than 21,000 new troops to the Baghdad area.

Bush’s plan is under debate in both houses of Congress.

Copyright 2007 by United Press International. All Rights Reserved."

How this will appeal to voters is yet to be determined. Anyone that remember’s Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge would not support abandonment.

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This type of bill has little chance of passing and overriding a veto.

It is purely a political move to appeal to the anti-war crowd. He obviously does not care that these things embolden our enemy.


“Pssst…”

"Over here “Pretty Boy…”

Repeat after me:

“Who’s you mama, Obama?”
YOU are, Miss Hillary!

“Who’s you mama, Obama?”
YOU are, Miss Hillary!

“Who’s you mama, Obama?”
YOU are, Miss Hillary!

“Room 236 after this boring assed dinner; and DON’T forget your collar this time!”

Mufasa

Zap:

Speaking of “embolding” people…

I almost threw up my “Surge” when a Syrian Ambassador was on the news sounding like a cross between Ghandi and Mother Theresa, since they are the only ones conducting “true” peace talks between the warring factions…

THANK, 'YA , JESUS for DAMASCUS!!!

Right…

Mufasa

I find it interesting that this thread hasn’t drawn very much attention, despite being started by a very respectable poster. Does THAT indicate anything about Obama’s chances?

HH:

I think that when you start to get to “substance”, Obama may stumble…

But in all reality…how much “substance” do you have to have to win the Presidency these days?

You have to have MONEY and a POLITICAL “MACHINE” behind you.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
HH:

I think that when you start to get to “substance”, Obama may stumble…

But in all reality…how much “substance” do you have to have to win the Presidency these days?

You have to have MONEY and a POLITICAL “MACHINE” behind you.[/quote]

I think this raises a good point, but I would say that substance as an issue is relative to what is happening. The 2008 election will have many meaty issues on the table with expected answers from candidates from both parties. That, in my view, will give an advantage to any candidate who can show s/he can be Captain of the Ship - meaty issues require tough decisions, not photo-ops.

Which means that I think Obama doesn’t stand a chance against even his fellow Democratic presidency seekers.

Biden made some interesting comments regarding Obama yesterday.

Obama dismissed the comments at first but issued a little more meaty statement later on.

Biden’s sentiments may be fairly common among his fellow senators.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
“Pssst…”

"Over here “Pretty Boy…”

Repeat after me:

“Who’s you mama, Obama?”
YOU are, Miss Hillary!

“Who’s you mama, Obama?”
YOU are, Miss Hillary!

“Who’s you mama, Obama?”
YOU are, Miss Hillary!

“Room 236 after this boring assed dinner; and DON’T forget your collar this time!”

Mufasa

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Dude, you are way off. Hillary is a lesbo, everyone knows that. Duh!

thunder:

Is that the “'ole Horse General” U.S. Grant in your avatar…or some other Civil War officer?

Just curious…!

Mufasa

I’m so happy that Obama is ‘clean’ and ‘articulate’ (Biden)!!!

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
thunder:

Is that the “'ole Horse General” U.S. Grant in your avatar…or some other Civil War officer?

Just curious…!

Mufasa

[/quote]

Looks to be William Tecumsah Sherman to me.

“To the sea.”

Ah!

I think you’re RIGHT, BB!

(Criticized for his “scorched Earth” policy throughout the South…)

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Ah!

I think you’re RIGHT, BB!

(Criticized for his “scorched Earth” policy throughout the South…)[/quote]

Boston is right on - it’s Sherman indeed.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Ah!

I think you’re RIGHT, BB!

(Criticized for his “scorched Earth” policy throughout the South…)

Boston is right on - it’s Sherman indeed.[/quote]

I googled my name for fun, found out that 2 great-great uncles were in the famous Picnic March (they called it that). Their regiment was, anyway. How wierd is that?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I’m so happy that Obama is ‘clean’ and ‘articulate’ (Biden)!!![/quote]

Yes, especially since so many politicians never shower and have speech impediments!

Saw a polethis morning where Hillary leads by about 30 points. If she avoids a blowup, as in Howard Dean, it’ll be her. I don’t think she can do that though…

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Saw a polethis morning where Hillary leads by about 30 points. If she avoids a blowup, as in Howard Dean, it’ll be her. I don’t think she can do that though…[/quote]

You know, it struck me that Obama is running like a front runner, but I think Hillary is the real front runner – Obama can’t just sit there in prevent defense and deal in platitudes. If he wants to win the nomination, he needs to provide exciting ideas, not just a pretty face.

BB:

Just to add to what you said…

One thing became VERY clear after the last election; near the end, they become literal “slug-fest”!

Bush and Carry were spent men after that election, going at each other FULL BORE for almost 4-6 months!

I just think Hillary is a) MUCH tougher and b) MUCH more politically hardened and savvy than Obama.

If the two end up slugging it out, Hillary wins…

(“Who’s your mamma”?)

Mufasa