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[quote]K2000 wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
What has he accomplished?[/quote]

Well lets see… what has Obama accomplished so far?

Obama has been in office for 11 months, without having a MASSIVE BREACH OF DOMESTIC SECURITY due to a failure to take action on intelligence, resulting in a CATASTROPHIC TERRORIST ATTACK here on the homeland.

So Obama’s already doing a better job than George W. Bush did.[/quote]

OOOOOOO. AAAHHHHHH. I am wowed by your knowledge and capitalization.

But seriously though, by your logic, from 9/11 till the end of his term, Bush did an incredible job, seeing as how we did not have “a MASSIVE BREACH OF DOMESTIC SECURITY due to a failure to take action on intelligence, resulting in a CATASTROPHIC TERRORIST ATTACK here on the homeland” (!!!)

As noted, these are simply Bush era policies continued.

Try Again, what has Obama done?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

Imagine where we would be if Obama was a savvy executive, someone who understood building trust with a lean, disciplined, uncontroversial stimulus and who had the patience to postpone cap-and-trade and health care till the rubble was cleared from the economy.[/quote]

This proves that he is a true ideologue who is clueless to the relative long-term big picture. For example, if (when) health care passes he will be raising taxes on the very people who make this economy work. This will serve to either lengthen or worsen this recession. His damn the torpedos full left agenda ahead could cause extreme havoc to this already fragile economy

[quote]K2000 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I’m talking about candidate Obama. If Obama so much as breathed a word of military escalation when running for President the left wing loons would have abandoned his campaign and he would have gone back to being a newbie Senator.

One only has to watch the news to see the left wing of the party claiming that he broke his promises regarding the war.

Do you read much?

You’re just flat-out wrong, and it’s that simple.[/quote]

That was easy to post wasn’t it? Now if you don’t mind could you back it up with some facts? Are you claiming that te left wing (nut) of the democratic party is in full support of him sending 30,000 troops into Afghanistan?

Pelosi was against it.

Harry Reed was against it.

Even his own vp Joe (i’ve never made sense in my life) Biden was against it.

Do you realize how many liberal Congressional seats will be lost because of that move? Do you think those liberals were for this move?

If you respond I expect some actual evidence to support your main premise, otherwise don’t respond, what’s the point? Jumping up and down and screaming “you’re wrong, you’re wrong” isn’t very convincing.

Oooooo I know . He got a nobel peace prize for giving lip service to those Israelis, then Hillary Clinton can praise Benjamin Netanyahoo for being so reasonable as Palestinians are forced out of their homes in an obvious imperialization scheme by the jews. I am not pro arab at all either, but bullshit like that is plain to see. Or maybe that peace prize is because he kowtows to our enemies and ignores our friends?

Or maybe its because he is engaging in a further buildup of military capacity in the middle east such as Quatar while handing money to Pakistan while they thumb their noses at us?

Or maybe because hes bankrupted our country with his weak dollar initiative and now…cash for caulkers…

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
<<< I think he has a lack of executive instinct and temperment. >>>[/quote]

He is an intelligent immature bookworm theoretician who can read a speech. In other words the absolutely quintessential empty suit.[/quote]

Yet he’s already accomplished more than Bush did in 8 years. That guy just can’t catch a break.[/quote]

What has he accomplished?[/quote]

Are you kidding have you seen the deficit?

Oh wait, wait, you mean good accomplishments? Um, none.

[quote]666Rich wrote:
Oooooo I know . He got a nobel peace prize for giving lip service to those Israelis, then Hillary Clinton can praise Benjamin Netanyahoo for being so reasonable as Palestinians are forced out of their homes in an obvious imperialization scheme by the jews. I am not pro arab at all either, but bullshit like that is plain to see. Or maybe that peace prize is because he kowtows to our enemies and ignores our friends?

Or maybe its because he is engaging in a further buildup of military capacity in the middle east such as Quatar while handing money to Pakistan while they thumb their noses at us?

Or maybe because hes bankrupted our country with his weak dollar initiative and now…cash for caulkers… [/quote]

I think I agree in principle but I would like to point out that it will be a long time before Israel is considered an “emipre”.

Seems to me that trying to build a nation based on a common religion while trying to remain a rational secular state is a bit of a challenge.

I agree, he hasn’t done a whole lot. But you don’t have to do a whole lot to be better than Bush. (By the way, I’ll get you some books for Christmas, because I see you’re still making basic economics mistakes.)

[quote]ZEB wrote:Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures

Oh wait, wait, you mean good accomplishments? Um, none.[/quote]

Too bad that 80% of that deficit is due to Bush. Whoops…

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Also, Liberals have NEVER thought that Obama was a Liberal. Out of the three Democratic primary candidates (Edwards, Clinton and Obama) Obama is the LEAST Liberal. The only people who think Obama is a Liberal are teabaggers, die-hard Republicans, Libertarian douchebags, and so on, because compared to your perspective, anyone who is a centrist or a moderate Democrat is a Liberal.

Hell some of you idiots on the Right even think Obama is “socialist”. Here’s a clue - a Socialist wouldn’t bail out the banks.

Liberals with common sense always recognized Obama as a centrist. You’d have to have your head in the clouds to think he was a Liberal.[/quote]

lol. Dude, your deficits in political understanding are like your Messiahs deficits in budgeting.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures

Oh wait, wait, you mean good accomplishments? Um, none.[/quote]

Too bad that 80% of that deficit is due to Bush. Whoops…
[/quote]

He only been at it 11 months and has wreaked more havoc on the US than any other President in as much time. If he’s allowed to do what he wants to do this country will no longer look, of function as it did in its hey day. Now I know you understand and like that idea, your big hammer and cycle (eye roll), but you see the rest of us junior would like things to go back to the way they were.

For those (like you) who are not fully aware of his budget proposal?

"Increase spending by $1 trillion over the next decade;

Include an additional $250 billion placeholder for another financial bailout;

Likely lead to a 12 percent increase in discretion­ary spending;

Permanently expand the federal government by nearly 3 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) over pre-recession levels;

Raise taxes on all Americans by $1.4 trillion over the next decade;

Raise taxes for 3.2 million taxpayers by an average of $300,000 over the next decade;

Call for a pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) law despite offering a budget that would violate it by $3.4 trillion;

Assume a rosy economic scenario that few econo­mists anticipate;

Leave permanent deficits averaging $600 billion even after the economy recovers; and

Double the publicly held national debt to over $15 trillion ($12.5 trillion after inflation)."

http://www.heritage.org/Research/budget/bg2249.cfm

Obama is an unmitigated disaster!

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

I agree, he hasn’t done a whole lot. But you don’t have to do a whole lot to be better than Bush. (By the way, I’ll get you some books for Christmas, because I see you’re still making basic economics mistakes.)[/quote]

Awesome, thanks - if they are the ones you have been learning from, please make sure they aren’t already colored in.

I guess saving the global financial system and greatly softening the recession might count as “havoc” to you, but it doesn’t to people who know anything about the subject.

Yes, it will. How do you not understand that he’s basically the same as every other president we’ve ever had? How do you not understand that our electoral system will not allow a “dangerous” person to hold office? Your statements are completely contradicted by the reality of what he’s done.

I’m going to assume to you’re claiming that Obama is a secret Communist. I’m going to tell you to find out what communists actually want (at least if you want to continue talking about them like you know something), and to preferably keep lunatic theories like this between you and your John Birch friends.

What I am not aware of is the set of events that has occurred in your mind. I’m not privy to the history of your parallel universe.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

I agree, he hasn’t done a whole lot. But you don’t have to do a whole lot to be better than Bush. (By the way, I’ll get you some books for Christmas, because I see you’re still making basic economics mistakes.)[/quote]

Awesome, thanks - if they are the ones you have been learning from, please make sure they aren’t already colored in.
[/quote]

Oh, it was a joke. I don’t actually expect you to quit wallowing in ignorance anytime soon. You’d have to actually think about things, and consarn it, that’s hard and no fun!

Ryan,

What he campaigned on is not the same as what he is doing. That is how a dangerous person gets elected. But with your infinite wisdom would have known that.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

I guess saving the global financial system and greatly softening the recession might count as “havoc” to you, but it doesn’t to people who know anything about the subject.[/quote]

Which you obviously don’t Mr. Hammer & Cycle. If Obama was truly a smart man and a good President he could jump start this economy quickly by giving small business tax cuts and setting up small business guaranteed loans. But, your socialist hero knows NOTHING about business or the economy and the more he talks the more he shows his complete lack of knowledge on those topics. Can you imagine if we actually elected someone who understood these things? Wow, that would have really helped out wouldn’t it?

He has also lowered our stature on the world stage by bowing to every Tom, Dick and Husien that he meets and kow towing to dictators. He has sent a one word message to all of the would be threats to this country, that word-WEAK and I fear that before too long someone will step up to try him out. You might say I agree with candidate Joe Biden on that point.

Obama is a disgrace.

[quote]If he’s allowed to do what he wants to do this country will no longer look, of function as it did in its hey day.

Yes, it will. How do you not understand that he’s basically the same as every other president we’ve ever had? How do you not understand that our electoral system will not allow a “dangerous” person to hold office? Your statements are completely contradicted by the reality of what he’s done.[/quote]

He’s the most dangerous man to ever be elected to the Presidency. He’s young, inexperienced, and an ivory towerist lefty who has no executive experience. Those things combined spell trouble for America.

Can you name anyone who has ever been elected who has such a combination of negatives?

No.

He doesn’t have the qualifications to run the local Wal-Mart.

[quote]Now I know you understand and like that idea, your big hammer and cycle (eye roll), but you see the rest of us junior would like things to go back to the way they were.

I’m going to assume to you’re claiming that Obama is a secret Communist. I’m going to tell you to find out what communists actually want (at least if you want to continue talking about them like you know something), and to preferably keep lunatic theories like this between you and your John Birch friends.[/quote]

You have a hammer and cycle as your avatar. I assume that it’s for a good reason. That reason being that you are a left leaning loon, not unlike the man you defend. If you’re not a lefty then you are doing a great impersonation of one. By the way if you were in a communist country you wouldn’t be allowed to be so vocal in critiquing the government. But, I’m sure you’re aware of that, or didn’t they get to that in any of your PS classes this year?

My wish is that you graduate from College and get a very high paying job. Nothing turns a liberal into a conservative faster than seeing the government take half of your pay check and then squander the money.

Yea, it’s a real maturing, eye opening process.

[quote]For those (like you) who are not fully aware of his budget proposal?

What I am not aware of is the set of events that has occurred in your mind. I’m not privy to the history of your parallel universe.
[/quote]

Thanks for the comic relief. I’ve noticed that when I get to about this point with the left leaning know nothings they usually resort to meaningless rhetoric, or should I say MORE meaningless rhetoric.

Post less read more.

Zeb

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

Oh, it was a joke. I don’t actually expect you to quit wallowing in ignorance anytime soon. You’d have to actually think about things, and consarn it, that’s hard and no fun![/quote]

Another good idea - talk your daddy into paying my tuition in addition to yours, and I can take some time off from the real world with you and waste a semester rummaging through the dustbin of history for discredited ideas.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

I guess saving the global financial system and greatly softening the recession might count as “havoc” to you, but it doesn’t to people who know anything about the subject.
[/quote]

He saved the bankers. Everyone else sees a U-6 unemployment rate of about 17.2% and a massive contraction of credit. Really, if we were to use Great Depression metrics the rate would be over 20%. I don’t think I’m really happy that the likes of “too-big-to-fail” entities like AIG were bailed out. You undoubtedly are because you favor the idea of plutocracy like the old USSR.

When we see some solid job growth besides more make-work government jobs, then I’ll consider this recession to be “softening.”

As it stands right now, only about 110,000 jobs were created last month and about 98,000 people died.

[quote]
Yes, it will. How do you not understand that he’s basically the same as every other president we’ve ever had? [/quote]

This is the point of the thread, so thank you for unwittingly restating it: he’s basically the same as GWB. Look out below.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Ryan,

What he campaigned on is not the same as what he is doing. That is how a dangerous person gets elected. But with your infinite wisdom would have known that. [/quote]

The campaign is irrelevant. That he is little different than past presidents continues to escape you.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

Oh, it was a joke. I don’t actually expect you to quit wallowing in ignorance anytime soon. You’d have to actually think about things, and consarn it, that’s hard and no fun![/quote]

Another good idea - talk your daddy into paying my tuition in addition to yours, and I can take some time off from the real world with you and waste a semester rummaging through the dustbin of history for discredited ideas.[/quote]

I don’t see how physics is really relevant here.

And come on. You loooove discredited ideas.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Ryan,

What he campaigned on is not the same as what he is doing. That is how a dangerous person gets elected. But with your infinite wisdom would have known that. [/quote]

The campaign is irrelevant. That he is little different than past presidents continues to escape you.
[/quote]

But, but, Obama promised change?