"These sailors and Marines were entitled to our best defense. We gave them no defense.
Did our government put Israel’s interests ahead of our own? If so, why? Does our government continue to subordinate American interests to Israeli interests? These are important questions that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered commission of the American government.
The American people deserve to know the truth about this attack. We must finally shed some light on one of the blackest pages in American naval history. It is a duty we owe not only to the brave men of the USS Liberty, but to every man and woman who is asked to wear the uniform of the United States."
Admiral Thomas Moorer was Commander-in-Chief US Atlantic Fleet in June, 1967
Admiral Thomas Moorer was Commander-in-Chief US Atlantic Fleet in June, 1967
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Among those who never believed Israel’s explanation are … Secretary of State, Dean Rusk and Chief of Naval Operations (and later Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Admiral Thomas Moorer;"
‘Admiral Moorer was Commander in Chief Atlantic on the day of the attack on the Liberty and became Chief of Naval Operations on August 1, 1967. In two interviews in Washington, D.C. on February 10, 1989 and May 3, 1990, he explained that the Liberty’s identity could not be mistaken because she was the “Ugliest ship in the Navy” and was larger in size than the Egyptian ship for which she was mistaken. The CIA Report concludes the opposite, that the two ships could be mistaken. Ironically, the findings of the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry were approved by Moorer’s office while he was the Chief of Naval Operations.’
Dean Rusk never accepted the Israeli explanation but when I asked him in an interview at Athens, Georgia on April 5, 1989 on what evidence he based his opinion, he conceded that he never read the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry findings, the CIA Report, or the Clark Clifford Report. When pressed further, he said, “I did not make a career of studying the evidence.”
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Odd how they “accidentally” attacked a ship they monitored for days, a huge american flag was flying from the ship and even intercepted american transmissions.
"The Israel Air Force warplanes and Israel Navy warships that attacked the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, at the height of the Six-Day War, were aware that the vessel was an American spy ship, according to new testimony published Thursday in the Chicago Tribune.
The report stated that the U.S. National Security Agency - to which the intelligence gathering ship belonged - was able to intercept IAF communications according to which, at some stage, the pilots identified the ship as American but were nonetheless instructed to push ahead with the attack."
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What a dummy. All this stuff has been thoroghly debunked:
Chicago Trib Recycles Debunked USS Liberty Smears Because Their Interviews Of Same Old Conspiracy Theorists Are “New:”
Let me ask you a question: are you making some kind of claim, one way or another, re: the conflation of criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism? That was my original interest in this thread.[/quote]
Not so much criticism as unwarranted critism and hostility. It really comes down to context. Also, I don’t even necessarily equate hostility to Israel with anti-Semitism. The hard-left despise America and fabricate/distort historical events to portray America in the worst possible light, but that doesn’t necessarily equate to some kind of racism. But then that’s really just semantics. What I will say is that the left is riddled with people who are extremely hostile to the state of Israel. Whether or not they happen to have some racial animosity to Jewish people is really neither here nor there. The effect is the same. You have to ask yourself why they hold such views.
‘If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then what is it?’
And I read ruffian’s comment as a throw away line. It certainly has an element of truth. Those who would argue that there are not anti-Semites amongst Israel’s detractors on the left would have to be fooling themselves or trying to fool others.[/quote]
I wouldn’t argue that there aren’t antisemites among Israel’s critics. Just that criticism of Israel itself is not an inherently antisemitic activity.
Admiral Thomas Moorer was Commander-in-Chief US Atlantic Fleet in June, 1967
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Among those who never believed Israel’s explanation are … Secretary of State, Dean Rusk and Chief of Naval Operations (and later Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Admiral Thomas Moorer;"
‘Admiral Moorer was Commander in Chief Atlantic on the day of the attack on the Liberty and became Chief of Naval Operations on August 1, 1967. In two interviews in Washington, D.C. on February 10, 1989 and May 3, 1990, he explained that the Liberty’s identity could not be mistaken because she was the “Ugliest ship in the Navy” and was larger in size than the Egyptian ship for which she was mistaken. The CIA Report concludes the opposite, that the two ships could be mistaken. Ironically, the findings of the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry were approved by Moorer’s office while he was the Chief of Naval Operations.’
Dean Rusk never accepted the Israeli explanation but when I asked him in an interview at Athens, Georgia on April 5, 1989 on what evidence he based his opinion, he conceded that he never read the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry findings, the CIA Report, or the Clark Clifford Report. When pressed further, he said, “I did not make a career of studying the evidence.”
Even if I accept the explanation on the USS Liberty, they still tried to bomb American movie theatres and libraries in Egypt. Had they been successful, it would’ve potentially cost HUNDREDS of American lives through an unjust war.
Oh and once you’re done gargling your Israeli boyfriends cock maybe you can explain what the Israeli Spy Jonathan Pollard was doing.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Even if I accept the explanation on the USS Liberty, they still tried to bomb American movie theatres and libraries in Egypt. Had they been successful, it would’ve potentially cost HUNDREDS of American lives through an unjust war.
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Didn’t you listen? Can’t you read? I said they planned to deposit matchbox sized incendiary devices in the buildings in the middle of the night when no one was there. Are you fucking thick? How would that have cost ‘HUNDREDS of American lives?’
Admiral Thomas Moorer was Commander-in-Chief US Atlantic Fleet in June, 1967
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Among those who never believed Israel’s explanation are … Secretary of State, Dean Rusk and Chief of Naval Operations (and later Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Admiral Thomas Moorer;"
‘Admiral Moorer was Commander in Chief Atlantic on the day of the attack on the Liberty and became Chief of Naval Operations on August 1, 1967. In two interviews in Washington, D.C. on February 10, 1989 and May 3, 1990, he explained that the Liberty’s identity could not be mistaken because she was the “Ugliest ship in the Navy” and was larger in size than the Egyptian ship for which she was mistaken. The CIA Report concludes the opposite, that the two ships could be mistaken. Ironically, the findings of the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry were approved by Moorer’s office while he was the Chief of Naval Operations.’
Dean Rusk never accepted the Israeli explanation but when I asked him in an interview at Athens, Georgia on April 5, 1989 on what evidence he based his opinion, he conceded that he never read the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry findings, the CIA Report, or the Clark Clifford Report. When pressed further, he said, “I did not make a career of studying the evidence.”
I don’t have time for morons or liars.[/quote]
Do you have an actual link?
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No not a link, a book. Do you read books dickhead?
I wouldn’t argue that there aren’t antisemites among Israel’s critics. Just that criticism of Israel itself is not an inherently antisemitic activity.[/quote]
Yeah, the 99% of knee-jerk Israeli critics who are anti-semites give the other 1% a bad name!
I wouldn’t argue that there aren’t antisemites among Israel’s critics. Just that criticism of Israel itself is not an inherently antisemitic activity.[/quote]
Yeah, the 99% of knee-jerk Israeli critics who are anti-semites give the other 1% a bad name![/quote]
Israel doesn’t get some kind of free pass from question or criticism because it is a Jewish state. The ancient mythology that its people happen to subscribe to does not excuse it from facing the same kinds of questions that any other state does.
Anyone who says otherwise is a huge pussy. If you believe in your state, defend it. Don’t cry wolf at the first sign of dissent.
Now, I agree with you that there is a good deal of anti-Semitism left in this country. And I agree that a lot of those bigoted jackasses are on the left. But when you see someone accused of anti-Semitism for a single, uncontroversial comment about Israel, as earlier in this thread, you wonder how a nation full of tough motherfuckers can have such spineless, weak-willed supporters here in the States.
I wouldn’t argue that there aren’t antisemites among Israel’s critics. Just that criticism of Israel itself is not an inherently antisemitic activity.[/quote]
Yeah, the 99% of knee-jerk Israeli critics who are anti-semites give the other 1% a bad name![/quote]
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Even if I accept the explanation on the USS Liberty, they still tried to bomb American movie theatres and libraries in Egypt. Had they been successful, it would’ve potentially cost HUNDREDS of American lives through an unjust war.
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Didn’t you listen? Can’t you read? I said they planned to deposit matchbox sized incendiary devices in the buildings in the middle of the night when no one was there. Are you fucking thick? How would that have cost ‘HUNDREDS of American lives?’[/quote]
So I guess the Israeli government did nothing wrong when they attempted to blow up these buildings? LOL
This was a false flag operation in an effort to induce the US government into an unjust war which would have potentially lead to the deaths of innocent people.
It’s obvious you’re a hypocritical piece of shit holding a jewish run nation at a lower standard than muslims. Had this been an act perpetrated by muslims you would be all over it.
"In the early 1950s, the United States initiated a more activist policy of support for Egyptian nationalism; this was often in contrast with British policies of maintaining its regional hegemony. Israel feared that this policy, which encouraged Britain to withdraw its military forces from the Suez Canal, would embolden Egyptian President Nasser’s military ambitions towards Israel. Israel first sought to influence this policy through diplomatic means but was frustrated.[4]
In the summer of 1954 Colonel Binyamin Gibli, the chief of Israel’s military intelligence, Aman, initiated Operation Susannah in order to reverse that decision. The goal of the Operation was to carry out bombings and other acts of terrorism in Egypt with the aim of creating an atmosphere in which the British and American opponents of British withdrawal from Egypt would be able to gain the upper hand and block the British withdrawal from Egypt.
According to historian Shabtai Teveth, who wrote one of the more detailed accounts, the assignment was “To undermine Western confidence in the existing [Egyptian] regime by generating public insecurity and actions to bring about arrests, demonstrations, and acts of revenge, while totally concealing the Israeli factor. The team was accordingly urged to avoid detection, so that suspicion would fall on the Muslim Brotherhood, the Communists, ‘unspecified malcontents’ or ‘local nationalists’.”[2]"
